Covid-19 Pandemic

[RETAC21]

8 minutes ago, Murph said:

Thanks all.  

Take care and try to isolate form her as far as possible.

[Stefan Fredriksson]

Re: Malaysia.

Do you get hospitalized even if asymptomatic? Also, is it mandatory, or can you choose to stay at home?

[Simon Tan]

Mandatory for asymptomatics. Low risk warding.

[RETAC21]

20 minutes ago, Simon Tan said:

Mandatory for asymptomatics. Low risk warding.

Doesn't that depend on the numbers? in Yurrop right now that would overwhelm hospitals and warehouses!

[Simon Tan]

Sabah is pretty full so we send field hospitals and establish low risk wards in temporary hospitals. We have 10k infected.

[Stargrunt6]

1 hour ago, Murph said:

Well, it has come to the Murphy house, looks like my oldest daughter might have it.  Stocking up on Gatorade.  More in 3-5 days when the test results come out.  

I hope she gets well soon and that you and your family will be ok.

[RETAC21]

52 minutes ago, Simon Tan said:

Sabah is pretty full so we send field hospitals and establish low risk wards in temporary hospitals. We have 10k infected.

Ah, so the same solution as China (and also applied here on the first wave) of setting special COVID hospitals. It's a thing of wonder why politicians refuse to adopt solutions that work

[Simon Tan]

Sabah did not get much of a hit first time round. It is being ravaged by Filipinos with identity cards coming to vote and collect rally 'handouts'. Recent deaths have also been higher than previously with a large number being 'non-nationals'. Most have untreated co-morbidities. Mindanao has largely uncontrolled covid.

[Steven P Allen]

Prayers going out for the Fredriksson and Murphy households.

[Jeff]

7 hours ago, sunday said:

Take care, please.

This!

[Jeff]

4 hours ago, sunday said:

Hope for a quick recovery of daughter, and no further cases, Murph.

And this!

[Colin]

Take good care of yourselves, we are thinking of all of you.

[DB]

4 hours ago, RETAC21 said:

Doesn't that depend on the numbers? in Yurrop right now that would overwhelm hospitals and warehouses!

The UK has approximately 10,000 COVID illness cases in hospital. Testing (probably yesterday morning data) showed >20,000 positive cases yesterday alone. If we were to require isolation centres for all positive test results, then we'd be looking at a rolling population upwards of 300,000 people, many of whom require no intervention except to self-isolate.

There were nearly 500 deaths reported today. Some evidence that it's still focused on care homes, even after the first round showing how badly that was managed.

 

ETA:

Current Office for National Statistics data.

ttps://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsregisteredweeklyinenglandandwalesprovisional/weekending23october2020

It's rather repetitive, but figure 3 is interesting. It shows the number of deaths categorised as involving COVID-19 and not, plotted against the 5-year average. If we consider "excess mortality" any bar above the 5 year dotted line, then it can be seen that non-COVID-19 related deaths have been higher than expected in 9 weeks so far this year, with 7 of those occurring in the "first wave" and probably only 5 of those being statistically significant.If you can stomach the repetition, and squint a bit, the report has useful information on how the death certificates are assessed, whether COVID-19 was "the underlying cause" or merely "involved". The internationally agree taxonomy doesn't help - COVID-19 can result in pneumonia, but that is listed with influenza as a separate category, so there is significant overlap in categorisation.

Edited November 4, 2020 by DB

[sunday]

There are lots of, mostly empty, hotels in Spain now.

[Ivanhoe]

4 hours ago, DB said:

If you can stomach the repetition, and squint a bit, the report has useful information on how the death certificates are assessed, whether COVID-19 was "the underlying cause" or merely "involved". The internationally agree taxonomy doesn't help - COVID-19 can result in pneumonia, but that is listed with influenza as a separate category, so there is significant overlap in categorisation.

There was a good Youtube video on how death certificates are handled here, can't remember if I posted a link or not. At any rate, the narrator of the video showed a common form, with 3 causes of death. The order in which things were to be entered was, IIRC, in order of immediacy. For example, a COVID victim might be listed as:

1) Hypoxia

2) Pneumonia

3) COVID-19

So the root cause was COVID, but the proximal cause was hypoxia (stemming from pneumonia, stemming from COVID).

How the country, state, and federal honchos use such forms for tabulation, who knows.

I suspect that quite a few COVID deaths early on were finalized by heart failure due to cytokine-storm clotting killing the heart muscle.

[lucklucky]

12 hours ago, Simon Tan said:

Mandatory for asymptomatics. Low risk warding.

Here in Portugal people even with symptoms like loss of taste and smell are going to work after a curfew of 10 days after positive test. Only if they have temps outside normal range or feel  more serious symptoms.

Edited November 4, 2020 by lucklucky

[MiloMorai]

At my Mom's home (2 buildings) some idiot took his parents out for Thanksgiving diner against the advice of the home. They returned POS and now 16 people in their building have tested POS, 6 staff and 10 residents. One has died, possibly the husband as he went to the hospital. Things were getting somewhat back to normal even allowing room visits. Now they are in lockdown.

[Stefan Fredriksson]

Rules here are, roughly:

If you test positive, you should isolate for a minimum of 7 days, counted from when you had first symptom. You are considered non-contagious after this, when you have for 48 hours been feeling "fine". Residual coughing is a non-issue.

You are also obliged to contact persons who have been danger-close to you within 24 hours of your symptom debut, and they should do contact tracing.

[JWB]

Mink coronavirus infection in Denmark sparks plan to put down 15 million animals

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BERLIN — Denmark, one of the largest fur producers in the world, plans to put down every mink in the country to contain a mutated strain of coronavirus that has infected workers in the industry and could threaten global efforts to find a vaccine. 

The Danish government announced this week that it would expand plans for a more limited cull and put down around 15 million minks. Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen said on Wednesday it was a “heavy decision” but the situation required “resolute action.”

Workers had spread the virus to minks in farms in Denmark and now the minks are spreading it back to humans. Twelve people who have been infected show less ability to produce antibodies, according to scientists at Denmark’s Statens Serum Institut, meaning vaccine efforts could be complicated by the spread. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/mutant-mink-coronavirus-in-denmark-sparks-plan-to-put-down-15-million-animals/2020/11/05/d8fd8c56-1f58-11eb-ad53-4c1fda49907d_story.html

[Soren Ras]

Yup. Denmark is the world's largest producer of mink fur. And now the entire industry gets a bullet to the head.

So, who had mutant mink on your 2020 bingo cards?

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Soren

[WRW]

I thought mink were no longer marketable

[sunday]

Well, Animalists are very reluctant to go against wives and girlfriends of Russian oligarchs or Chinese apparatchiks, so there is still a market for mink apparel

[WRW]

Same Bangladeshi wives with Sarees and bangles. And I neither oligarch or apparatchic

[lucklucky]

5 hours ago, Stefan Fredriksson said:

Rules here are, roughly:

If you test positive, you should isolate for a minimum of 7 days, counted from when you had first symptom. You are considered non-contagious after this, when you have for 48 hours been feeling "fine". Residual coughing is a non-issue.

You are also obliged to contact persons who have been danger-close to you within 24 hours of your symptom debut, and they should do contact tracing.

You maybe right that is 7 days here and not 10 days.

[Stargrunt6]

So go there's th3 notion about animal rights types picking on fur wearers vs leather because the latter are usually bikers.