Because, America

[Skywalkre]

I'd like to see data on how many municipalities purposefully cut police funding when they had the capability to maintain or even raise it.  If you have the middle class and businesses leaving your city you'll naturally have lower revenue so police funding will go down regardless.  This 'defund' debate is just a recent one (and I've seen several articles highlighting how police funding has generally gone up since '20) and many of these places have been in bad shape for a long time.

Something else to consider is there was apparently a drastic rise in violent crime in many rural locations during COVID... much higher than the national average.  WSJ apparently did a deep dive on this but the article is behind a paywall.  You can actually see this in the second infograph when you compare the south to flyover country.

Edited August 20, 2023 by Skywalkre

[Ivanhoe]

5 minutes ago, Skywalkre said:

- Which brings me to the last point... I'm intrigued by those anomolies in NM, CO, and WA.  When looking at homicide rates by state NM is actually in the top 10 (most of the top 10 are southern states which coupled with the above highlight the nonsense argument many on here push that crime is just due to locales being run by Ds).  What in the world is going on in NM?

Albuquerque. Roughly 50% Latino, 40% white, which is not the normal recipe for violent crime. It does have an LEO shortage, and they are under the bootheel of a federal consent decree. 

If one were to run a multivariate analysis, I've no doubt a major factor is going to be the population/LEO ratio. Federal meddling probably also factors in, in some few cases. 

[sunday]

Mexican border, also?

[Ssnake]

5 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

What in the world is going on in NM?

Border with Mexico?

[sunday]

lol

[Rick]

6 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

Agree with 1.  I've mentioned this a few times but a small number of places released prisoners early, even violent ones, due to COVID a few years back.  They noted that crime went down in the areas (mostly poor and Black) these criminals went to.  Contrast this with the spike in crime when COVID started.  The theory was the sudden influx of older male role models in areas where there are effectively none may have had a positive impact.

I'm not sold on the second point.  A high % of blacks claim to be religious and if we're looking at actual church attendance if that was any indicator of violent behavior than NE Phoenix would be one of the most violent places in the country (lots of empty churches up here outside of Easter and Christmas)... but that's not the case.  As I mentioned above I'd rate the local economic situation as a more likely indicator.

Can't remember at the moment where I read/heard about the following but most Black churchgoers are women and have been for far to long.

[Ivanhoe]

1 hour ago, Ssnake said:

Border with Mexico?

Crime rates are higher nearer our southern border, but Albuquerque is quite a drive away from the border, and not on an Interstate leading to anywhere I would think illegals would want to go (Pueblo, Denver, Cheyenne). 

It's just the exception that proves the rule. Quite similar demographics to my town, but wildly different stats. If I convert to homicides per 100,000, my town would have something like 3 per. Criminals here are at risk of receiving a mag dump from a 30 or 40 round Pmag. 

[Markus Becker]

Oh, give me more beer because how can Republicans be stupid enough to fall for this? 
 

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As Republicans lead state efforts to prevent minors from accessing pornography, the porn industry is fighting a renewed legal battle against the federal government after the Biden administration halted a rule ensuring "fair access to banking services."

The battle is starting what critics call "Operation Choke Point 2.0," using its authority over the banking sector.

More than half a dozen Republican-majority states are changing -- some say strangling -- the multibillion-dollar porn industry by passing legislation supported by Democrats that forces people to submit a government-issued ID to prove they are 18 or older before accessing adult video content online. 

 

https://justthenews.com/nation/free-speech/choke-point-20-porn-industry

Newsflash: The porn industry is but a means to an end. That should be glaringly obvious to even the most stupid politician. They want a legal way to shut down any business they don't like. A tire iron they'll hit each and every lawful but not left business with.

Democrats must be dying from laughter.

[urbanoid]

16 minutes ago, Markus Becker said:

Oh, give me more beer 

Good idea!

[Markus Becker]

11 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

Good idea!

I have plenty downstairs but not enough to comprehend why Republicans agree to a plan to legally discriminate against law business. 

[urbanoid]

Because it's going to be popular with their base? Or at least the more zealous among them, those that largely vote in the primaries? Banshee posted a nice article in another thread about Republicans being dead set on fighting abortion in all its forms despite the fact that their voters as a whole don't share 'extremist' views on the issue. Touching that issue in fact harms them in short and long term, for several reasons, yet they still do that.

I visited my aunt today and my cousin (her son) shared some of his homemade beer with me, I'm drinking number one (of four), really good stuff.

[rmgill]

On 8/20/2023 at 11:50 AM, BansheeOne said:

Well, I've been to Tacoma, Camden and Baltimore (twice) ... but what the flip is going on in Bessemer, AL?

Very poor urban. Birmingham is Shep’s area. Bessemer had iron ore mining, a pullman facility and a steel mill. All are closed. 

[Ivanhoe]

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/lets-compare-homicide-rates-in-medium-size-red-and-blue-cities/

 

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BLUE CITY HOMICIDE AVERAGE: 20.3 per 100,000

RED CITY HOMICIDE AVERAGE: 9.8 per 100,000

 

 

[Markus Becker]

15 hours ago, urbanoid said:

Because it's going to be popular with their base? Or at least the more zealous among them, those that largely vote in the primaries? Banshee posted a nice article in another thread about Republicans being dead set on fighting abortion in all its forms despite the fact that their voters as a whole don't share 'extremist' views on the issue. Touching that issue in fact harms them in short and long term, for several reasons, yet they still do that.

I visited my aunt today and my cousin (her son) shared some of his homemade beer with me, I'm drinking number one (of four), really good stuff.

 

It's not the same. The radical position on abortion can only hurt the Rs if enough of their voters find the party's position on this one issue so offensive that it outweights all others, like economy, election security, immigration, gun rights.

Here the Rs work to put a mechanism into place that the Ds can and will use against, gun manufacturers/distributers, the oil industry, an conservative lobby group....

 

Drink two for me too.

 

[sunday]

There are no babies born with Down Syndrome in Iceland.

Yes, that is the reason.

[urbanoid]

3 minutes ago, Markus Becker said:

 

It's not the same. The radical position on abortion can only hurt the Rs if enough of their voters find the party's position on this one issue so offensive that it outweights all others, like economy, election security, immigration, gun rights.

Here the Rs work to put a mechanism into place that the Ds can and will use against, gun manufacturers/distributers, the oil industry, an conservative lobby group....

 

Drink two for me too.

No, not only then, there may also be a long term damage to GOP - it's mostly the southern red states banning/heavily restricting abortion. If you look at the demographics of those states, demographics of abortions and demographic voting patterns... they may literally turn their states blue over time due to their own policies.

I'm not saying those cases are identical, just that the motivations may be similar.

[Ivanhoe]

1 hour ago, urbanoid said:

No, not only then, there may also be a long term damage to GOP - it's mostly the southern red states banning/heavily restricting abortion. If you look at the demographics of those states, demographics of abortions and demographic voting patterns... they may literally turn their states blue over time due to their own policies.

I'm not saying those cases are identical, just that the motivations may be similar.

You clearly don't have knowledge of the actual demographics of southern states and the demographics of abortion. 

 

[sunday]

Anyway, abortion is evil. As much or even worse than slavery.

[urbanoid]

2 minutes ago, Ivanhoe said:

You clearly don't have knowledge of the actual demographics of southern states and the demographics of abortion. 

 

Black women have more than triple the abortion rate of non-hispanic white women. In southern states blacks constitute a substantially higher share of population than the national median. They vote what... ~90% dem?. Now do the math. 

To a lesser degree the same is true about the hispanic population - they also vote mostly dem, though not by such margins, they also have higher abortion rates than non-hispanic whites.

From strictly electoral point of view, restricting abortion by GOP hurts GOP in the long term.

 

 

[rmgill]

So for the Dems it's about population control of the blacks? 🤔

[urbanoid]

Originally it kinda was, it's no accident that the abortion clinics were being set up in 'poor' neighborhoods, basically all 'minority areas' qualified. Poor whites were welcome too, naturally.

The abortion thing currently doesn't work the other way around, the Dems can't restrict it because the losses will outweigh the benefits (more minorities to vote for them). Their base is definitely pro-abortion, part of it almost hysterically so, the change of stance could fracture the party badly. It doesn't change the fact that, 'electorally speaking' and using cold calculations, GOP restricting abortion laws may be very harmful to GOP.

[Ssnake]

2 hours ago, rmgill said:

So for the Dems it's about population control of the blacks?

Answers to be found in Tomas Sowell's classic, "Intellectuals and Race", and how progressives like Margaret Sanger thought it was wonderful for society if the enlightened elite of society could control who was to procreate (people like themselves) and who wasn't (mongs, asocials, blacks, ... - in short, the poor).

They would use nicer words, of course.

[urbanoid]

 

[EchoFiveMike]

14 hours ago, urbanoid said:

Originally it kinda was, it's no accident that the abortion clinics were being set up in 'poor' neighborhoods, basically all 'minority areas' qualified. Poor whites were welcome too, naturally.

The abortion thing currently doesn't work the other way around, the Dems can't restrict it because the losses will outweigh the benefits (more minorities to vote for them). Their base is definitely pro-abortion, part of it almost hysterically so, the change of stance could fracture the party badly. It doesn't change the fact that, 'electorally speaking' and using cold calculations, GOP restricting abortion laws may be very harmful to GOP.

 

12 hours ago, Ssnake said:

Answers to be found in Tomas Sowell's classic, "Intellectuals and Race", and how progressives like Margaret Sanger thought it was wonderful for society if the enlightened elite of society could control who was to procreate (people like themselves) and who wasn't (mongs, asocials, blacks, ... - in short, the poor).

They would use nicer words, of course.

I'd love to see anyone attempt to discuss how human civilizations are supposed to address the issue of compulsively irresponsible 3rd world primitives reproducing in a neurotically altruistic 1st world society.  You'd have less risk juggling flasks of nitroglycerine while standing on a flaming beachball. 

The Biblical level slaughter that's coming is completely predictable.  S/F....Ken M

 

[urbanoid]

56 minutes ago, EchoFiveMike said:

 

I'd love to see anyone attempt to discuss how human civilizations are supposed to address the issue of compulsively irresponsible 3rd world primitives reproducing in a neurotically altruistic 1st world society.  You'd have less risk juggling flasks of nitroglycerine while standing on a flaming beachball. 

The Biblical level slaughter that's coming is completely predictable.  S/F....Ken M

 

Oh, I discuss it quite often, just... not everywhere. 

And absolutely +1, the same thing may happen in Western Europe. And if it doesn't, it's likely going to be the worse option, not better.