Because, America

[sunday]

Roe vs Wade was found against your Constitution at the end.

But after so many years that the harm is mostly done.

[Ivanhoe]

3 minutes ago, sunday said:

Roe vs Wade was found against your Constitution at the end.

But after so many years that the harm is mostly done.

I don't think RvW by itself did most of the harm, it was the framing of the abortion issue by the education industry and media. Given that the political battlespace is the minds of the people, the co-option of minds wasn't done by judges, it was done by non-juris folks with an agenda.

[rmgill]

11 minutes ago, sunday said:

Roe vs Wade was found against your Constitution at the end.

But after so many years that the harm is mostly done.

True. But it was also not a very well developed line of constitutional reasoning and it was incredibly contrived and justified. 

[urbanoid]

From what I understand neither allowing nor banning abortion is against constitution. RvW was overturned because it was legally crap and it's been obvious for decades that it is. If at any point a Dem majority decided to codify some federal abortion laws and pass them through the congress, they would still hold, same for the other side. 

[sunday]

48 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

From what I understand neither allowing nor banning abortion is against constitution. RvW was overturned because it was legally crap and it's been obvious for decades that it is. If at any point a Dem majority decided to codify some federal abortion laws and pass them through the congress, they would still hold, same for the other side. 

It is something that was for the States to regulate.

Also, it is noteworthy that a crap rule was left standing for decades.

[Skywalkre]

1 hour ago, urbanoid said:

From what I understand neither allowing nor banning abortion is against constitution. RvW was overturned because it was legally crap and it's been obvious for decades that it is. If at any point a Dem majority decided to codify some federal abortion laws and pass them through the congress, they would still hold, same for the other side. 

Correct.  The criticism of the Ds after RvW was overturned was that they had decades to codify the decision into law and never did.  Instead they held on to a flimsy SCOTUS ruling that was finally overturned.

[Tim Sielbeck]

 

[Harold Jones]

2 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

Correct.  The criticism of the Ds after RvW was overturned was that they had decades to codify the decision into law and never did.  Instead they held on to a flimsy SCOTUS ruling that was finally overturned.

Yup, harping about protecting Roe v Wade in the Supreme Court was too good a fund raiser to give up. The Republicans weren't much better, I don't think any of what passes for the leadership at state level actually thought it would be reversed.

[Skywalkre]

17 minutes ago, Harold Jones said:

Yup, harping about protecting Roe v Wade in the Supreme Court was too good a fund raiser to give up. The Republicans weren't much better, I don't think any of what passes for the leadership at state level actually thought it would be reversed.

Yep.  If Biden wins this Nov and polling shows it was because of voter anger over abortion access you can point the finger to how poorly Rs at the state level have handled this transition.  Lots of poorly written laws or old laws that needed updating that weren't.  It's resulted in plenty of ammunition for abortion rights activists to use.

[rmgill]

Speaking of ammunition, the DNC has done the same and worse wrt gun control attempts, with judges even ignoring Bruin in their application of tests. 

 

[Skywalkre]

14 hours ago, rmgill said:

Speaking of ammunition, the DNC has done the same and worse wrt gun control attempts, with judges even ignoring Bruin in their application of tests.

I'm highly skeptical gun control could shape an election like abortion seems to have already done in several places since RvW was overturned.

For starters you're using a detail about the issue I'm pretty sure an overwhelming majority of Americans know nothing about.

Then we have the polls.  Those have shown Americans shifting towards more gun control over the years (David Brooks has noted that after every mass shooting that makes it to the news cycle you see a massive jump in Americans' support for gun control, then it comes back down after a while, but every time it jumps up like this it never drops to as low as it was before).  Now, those are just polls... but contrast this with what we've seen of gun control.  I'm not aware of any measures around gun control being decided at the polls and swinging widely against what local polling/politics would dictate like we've seen with abortion in the last two years.  Instead most gun control challenges are in court... from laws that overstep their legal bounds.  That's probably because the politicians in question understand they can push those bounds because voters support the measures (irrespective of if said measures are Constitutional).

Edited May 8, 2024 by Skywalkre

[rmgill]

What they are told and what they get is often quite different. The media distorts at best and lies at worst about gun control.
 

Witness the shibboleth of the left complaining that we should regulate women's bodies less and guns more. This is on yard signs in my area. 
 

I have yet to see anyone arrested for taking an un registered woman across state lines. 

[Tim Sielbeck]

 

[Tim Sielbeck]

 

[Ssnake]

Ah, a sales pitch.

[Stuart Galbraith]

On 4/21/2024 at 4:38 PM, JWB said:

 

To be fair, that would actually make a damn good movie.

[sunday]

Back to important matters: Freedom Units on the exit path!

 

[sunday]

On 5/7/2024 at 11:11 PM, urbanoid said:

From what I understand neither allowing nor banning abortion is against constitution. RvW was overturned because it was legally crap and it's been obvious for decades that it is. If at any point a Dem majority decided to codify some federal abortion laws and pass them through the congress, they would still hold, same for the other side. 

John C. Wright -always a lover of tradition, former Atheist, former newspaper editor, convert to Catholicism, and wordsmith extraordinaire- made recently a review on how leftist social reforms came to be:

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Let us recall how far the Cult of Toleration has won the day in the span of one lifetime. In 1965, Griswold v Connecticut unconstitutionally invented a national right to contraception. In 1969, Reagan in California signed into law the first statute to permit No-Fault Divorce.. Pennsylvania abolished its fornication and adultery laws in 1973. Also in 1973, Roe v Wade unconstitutionally invented a national right to infanticide of the unborn. Lawrence v. Texas in 2003 unconstitutionally invented a national right to sodomy. Obergefell v. Hodges in 2015 unconstitutionally invented a national right to sodomy partnerships being granted the sacrament of holy marriage. Withholding approval of such these mock-marriages is a violation of the Civil Rights Act, c.f., Masterpiece Cakeshop v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission (2018). As is refusing to hire a crossdresser who hallucinates himself to be a woman in the workplace Bostock v. Clayton County (2020). It is currently not permitted in polite society to read aloud these sentences I here have written, and, if current trends continue unchecked, it soon will be illegal. To speak plain truths about such things, or even to quote Holy Scripture, is unlawful in other English-speaking nations, and silently praying near an abortion mill is grounds for a police intervention in Great Britain.

 

[urbanoid]

 

[rmgill]

On 5/10/2024 at 9:24 AM, sunday said:

Back to important matters: Freedom Units on the exit path!

 

When do we go to Metric Time and Meters per second in aviation measurements?

Sure, lets change THAT in mid-stream for aviation and navigation. What's the worse that could happen? 

Edited May 13, 2024 by rmgill

[urbanoid]

Boebert at the end of video 

 

[Soren Ras]

LOL

[sunday]

43 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

Boebert at the end of video 

 

Strange way of crossing oneself...

[Tim Sielbeck]

 

[Stargrunt6]

Ana of the Red Scare podcast, never disappointing: