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1 hour ago, Yama said:

Well, Krasnopol is tried technology and has seen plenty of use...

Yeah, 240mm (3F5 Smeltschak) and 152mm predecesor (3OF38 Centimeter) were premiered in Afghanistan in 1985 or so.

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10 minutes ago, bojan said:

Yeah, 160/240mm mortar fired version was premiered in Afghanistan in 1987 or so.

Oh it was that early, thought it was post-breakup stuff.

Somewhere it read that Indians found it useful in Kargil War. And of course Russians used it in Chechnya.

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50 minutes ago, Yama said:

Oh it was that early, thought it was post-breakup stuff.

Somewhere it read that Indians found it useful in Kargil War. And of course Russians used it in Chechnya.

Laser guided ordinance is late 70s technology I believe 

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1 hour ago, Yama said:

Oh it was that early, thought it was post-breakup stuff...

Yeah, edited post to include it more details. 1985. was first use of 240mm 3F5, 1986. for 152mm 3OF38. Both were formally introduced in 1984.

I don't have IOC for original Krasnopol, Krasnopol-M is post-breakup (accepted for service in 1995), first use was in the 2nd Chechen war.

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23 hours ago, crazyinsane105 said:

People are making a big deal about this, but what game changing feature did the T-90M have? Besides an updated fire control system and somewhat better protection, I don’t see how it could have survived an artillery strike or an advanced ATGM 🤷‍♀️ 

Well, it's obviously a whole 10 better, and sometimes 18!

You were expecting a competent comparison out of the twitterati et al?

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6 hours ago, RETAC21 said:

what are functionaly infinite resources Glemn? not only you make shit up, but it's also utterly non-sensical. How about using the brain for a change?

He is using what he has, and it's a tragedy.

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Ukraine hints at timing of 'counteroffensive’

Kiev might mount a counter-attack against Moscow when it gets enough Western-made weaponry

Ukrainian forces might be able to launch a large-scale attack on the Russian military by the end of June, President Volodymyr Zelensky’s adviser, Alexey Arestovich, indicated on Thursday.

“A counteroffensive is possible with the accumulation of a large number of Western weapons, which will be sufficient for several brigades, completely rearmed, trained and coordinated, after which we can attack,” Arestovich told the Ukraine 24 TV channel.

In terms of timing, it will most likely be the end of June – the beginning of July. The first guns that can stop the enemy will arrive at the end of May – the beginning of June, and to attack – not earlier than the second half of June.

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https://www.rt.com/russia/555033-ukraine-counteroffensive-plans-revealed/

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Moldova refused to sell MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine

Ukraine asked Moldova to sell or hand over its MiG-29 fighter jets; however, Moldova declined since it chooses not to undermine Chisinau-Moscow relations, according to the Ukrainian website European Pravda on Sunday. 

According to the news outlet, Ukraine made this request in the first days of the Russian war in Ukraine, February 24, but was turned down by Moldova. 

Chisinau chose not to irritate its relationship with Moscow as such a move could be perceived as a violation of the principle of neutrality. 

As far as what is known, Moldova has 6 MiG-29 fighter jets - all operational, but have not been used in a long time. The country has been trying to sell them for a while but has not had much luck doing so.

While Ukraine has recently been asking for the jets, even NATO allies have expressed concern and rejection towards sending fighter jets to Ukraine. 

Last month, US president Joe Biden vetoed sending MiG-29 fighter jets from Poland to Ukraine in fear of provoking Russia into a direct escalation with NATO.

https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/moldova-refused-to-sell-mig-29-fighter-jets-to-ukraine

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2 hours ago, Perun said:

Moldova refused to sell MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine

Ukraine asked Moldova to sell or hand over its MiG-29 fighter jets; however, Moldova declined since it chooses not to undermine Chisinau-Moscow relations, according to the Ukrainian website European Pravda on Sunday. 

According to the news outlet, Ukraine made this request in the first days of the Russian war in Ukraine, February 24, but was turned down by Moldova. 

Chisinau chose not to irritate its relationship with Moscow as such a move could be perceived as a violation of the principle of neutrality. 

Moldova is de-facto bancrupt and their energy supply is dependent on Russia will to prolong supply of NG despite of repeated failure to pay for it in time. 

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2 hours ago, Perun said:

Moldova refused to sell MiG-29 fighter jets to Ukraine

Ukraine asked Moldova to sell or hand over its MiG-29 fighter jets; however, Moldova declined since it chooses not to undermine Chisinau-Moscow relations, according to the Ukrainian website European Pravda on Sunday. 

According to the news outlet, Ukraine made this request in the first days of the Russian war in Ukraine, February 24, but was turned down by Moldova. 

Chisinau chose not to irritate its relationship with Moscow as such a move could be perceived as a violation of the principle of neutrality. 

As far as what is known, Moldova has 6 MiG-29 fighter jets - all operational, but have not been used in a long time. The country has been trying to sell them for a while but has not had much luck doing so.

While Ukraine has recently been asking for the jets, even NATO allies have expressed concern and rejection towards sending fighter jets to Ukraine. 

Last month, US president Joe Biden vetoed sending MiG-29 fighter jets from Poland to Ukraine in fear of provoking Russia into a direct escalation with NATO.

https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/moldova-refused-to-sell-mig-29-fighter-jets-to-ukraine

Its worth relating, Moldova sold its Mig29's fitted for nuclear capability, to the US, so they wouldnt end up in the hands of Iran. It may well be those they sold, or at least some of them, have already been supplied to Ukraine.

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36 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Its worth relating, Moldova sold its Mig29's fitted for nuclear capability, to the US, so they wouldnt end up in the hands of Iran. It may well be those they sold, or at least some of them, have already been supplied to Ukraine.

That news is from mid April. 6 MiG-29 are left in Moldova but they have not flown for years and would have to be overhauled (which takes 12-18 months). A few years ago they were offered for sale at 8,5 million $ but there were no takers. 

Hungary also has a number of MiG-29s in storage. They were offered for sale as well - 19 MiG-29s, 20 spare engines and 300 parts for just 10 million $, but no takers either. Serbia inspected the MiGs and concluded they were in a bad condition (patchy maintenance, poor documentation...)

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12 minutes ago, alejandro_ said:

Hungary also has a number of MiG-29s in storage. They were offered for sale as well - 19 MiG-29s, 20 spare engines and 300 parts for just 10 million $, but no takers either. Serbia inspected the MiGs and concluded they were in a bad condition (patchy maintenance, poor documentation...)

Do you have more details for this

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1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Its worth relating, Moldova sold its Mig29's fitted for nuclear capability, to the US, so they wouldnt end up in the hands of Iran. It may well be those they sold, or at least some of them, have already been supplied to Ukraine.

I never understood the 'nuclear capable' argument: they would be wired only for Soviet nuclear weapons. Sounds something like the press would make up. I never got the purpose of the purchase, it's not like Iran could not have got MiG-29's elsewhere. And the US did not use them, or if they did, they made just 1 or 2 flightworthy.

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1 hour ago, ink said:

No great surprise but still worth sharing the confirmation, I reckon.

US shared intel for Moskva sinking

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/05/us-intelligence-russia-moskva-ukraine

Ukrainians would have got the location of the ship via ESM, Moskva had unique radars for the region. Unsure what any 'US intelligence' would have contributed?

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57 minutes ago, Perun said:

Do you have more details for this

Not really, there were some articles a few years ago about Hungary trying to sell the aircraft. Information on offer to Serbia was from previous discussions.

https://bbj.hu/budapest/culture/history/no-bids-for-decommissioned-mig-29s

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On 5/3/2022 at 12:36 PM, BansheeOne said:

PzH 2000 deliveries are now reported as five Dutch and seven German. The latter allegedly against military advice, as availability of the Bundeswehr fleet seems not so hot that some of the stock should just be given away.

This is now confirmed. The German delivery is from current industry maintenance and therefore technically not from the active Bundeswehr fleet (where reportedly only 57 of a total 108 are currently available). For the first time there's a statement on the much-discussed training times, too: instruction for 20 Ukrainian soldiers will start next week and take 40 days "or less".

The guns will also come with an ammunition package. Meanwhile the Gepard delivery announced earlier with much thunderclap seems indeed hung up on that issue as the 35 mm ammo of Rheinmetall Air Defence (ex Oerlikon) is still made in Switzerland, which won't allow re-export to a war zone due to its neutrality laws.

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Good report from Popasnaya, where Russian contractors (who are mostly pro-Russian volunteers of 2014 who later moved to Syria and other places - and now are back to their original battlefield) are making very slow progress across industrial terrain. Note captured AT gun used (seems like contractors are not given heavy weapons of their own, so have to rely on captured one)

https://t.me/riafan_everywhere/9291

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41 minutes ago, Yama said:

Ukrainians would have got the location of the ship via ESM, Moskva had unique radars for the region. Unsure what any 'US intelligence' would have contributed?

I guess when you're firing Radar-guided anti-ship missiles around, a complete picture of all ships in the area is useful so they don't accidentally shoot a Romanian tanker or something.

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