Iron Swords vs. Al-Aqsa Deluge - Israel/Palestinians (again)

[Mighty_Zuk]

52 minutes ago, ink said:

Famously troops fighting in a building is considered the highest legal standard for proving no genocide is occuring in a conflict. The Nazis desperately tried to dig up images of SS officers fighting in buildings to get themselves off at Nuremberg but the sneaky cowards would only do combat out in the weather.

Yep. A genocidal army with so much ammo and tech can surely just drop a JDAM and avoid the risk of sending troops altogether. Not to mention it's much cheaper.

Here's a great montage of tank combat in Gaza:

https://twitter.com/plovejet/status/1772677717021876664?s=20

[Sardaukar]

There is something very wrong with people in Gaza... They have not learned yet that stupidity kills...

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/18-palestinians-killed-in-gaza-by-aid-airdrop-malfunction/3175307

At least 18 Palestinians were killed in the Gaza Strip on Tuesday after an aid airdrop malfunctioned, Gaza’s government media office said.

The fatalities included 12 people who drowned in the sea in the northern Gaza Strip and six in a stampede while gathering to obtain aid, the office said in a statement.

“The aid airdrops pose a real threat to the lives of hungry Palestinians,” the statement warned.

It said some aid fell into the sea, inside Israel or in war zones.

[TrustMe]

Starving people will do anything to get food or water. 

[crazyinsane105]

Cochav Elkayam-Levy, the Israeli lawyer at the center of the campaign accusing Hamas of systematic sexual violence on October 7, now stands accused by Israeli media of scamming donors and spreading misinformation. The allegations appeared just days after Elkayam-Levy received the prestigious Israel Prize.

As the founder of the so-called Civil Commission on October 7th Crimes by Hamas against Women and Children, Israel lawyer Cochav Elkayam Levy has been a go-to source for Western media organizations pushing the narrative that Palestinian militants carried out sexual assault on a massive and systematic basis when they attacked Israel.

Elkayam-Levy has starred in a factually challenged CNN special on the topic narrated by the fervently pro-Israel host Jake Tapper, who identified her as “an expert in human rights law who organized a civil committee to document evidence.” Haaretz featured Elkayam-Levy as the subject of a puff piece which misleadingly claimed that her work “presents a horrifying picture that leaves no room for doubt: On October 7, Hamas terrorists systematically carried out acts of rape and sexual abuse.”

Then, on December 6, 2023, members of the White House National Security Council and Assistant to the President and Director of the Gender Policy Council Jennifer Klein hosted Elkayam-Levy in Washington to hear “about her work to gather testimony and document evidence of the events of October 7 and develop a comprehensive accounting of gender-based violence committed by Hamas.”

Now, the lawyer’s public relations extravaganza has earned her the Israel Prize, the most prestigious honor any Israeli citizen can receive from their government. “We must stand firm against the stark denial and the increasing tide of antisemitism,” she declared in a March 21 statement accepting the award.

Yet three days later, Israel’s largest newspaper, YNet, published a damning exposé accusing Elkayam-Levy of ripping off major donors, including a member of the Biden administration, spreading fake Hamas atrocity tales, and failing to deliver on her promise of a major report about sexual violence on October 7.

“People have disassociated themselves from her because her research is inaccurate,” an Israeli government official told YNet. “After all, the whole story is that they want to accuse us of spreading fake news, and her methodology was neither good nor accurate.”

Government officials were particularly incensed that Elkayam-Levy spread discredited claims that a Hamas militant cut a fetus from a pregnant woman before raping the woman – a lie first spread by confirmed fraudster Yossi Landau of the scandal-stained ZAKA organization. “The story about the pregnant woman who had her stomach cut open – a story that was proven to be untrue, and she spread it in the international press,” the official complained to YNet. “It’s no joke. Little by little, professionals began to distance themselves from her because she is unreliable.”

Elkayam-Levy further alienated the Israeli government by spinning her “Civil Commission” out of a one-woman operation she ran called the Deborah Institute, creating the sense that she was representing Tel Aviv in an official capacity. “In the beginning she was really very active, which was very nice,” a source told YNet. “Then it started calling itself a civilian commission. People got confused, members of Congress turned to people who work with Israel and asked what it is – ‘Israel built a commission?’ It’s a confusing name. And to the question of whether there is such a thing at all? Is there such a body? The answer is – no. It is the body. She isthe civil commission.”

Through her Deborah Institute, Elkayam-Levy has raised millions of dollars. But if the government sources who spoke to YNet are to be believed, she conned wealthy American Jewish donors like Rahm Emanuel, currently the Biden administration’s ambassador to Japan, and channeled the money into her personal bank account.

According to YNet, Elkayam-Levy appealed for $8 million to launch her “Civil Commission,” requesting $1.5 million for “management and administration.” “Rahm Emanuel, the US ambassador to Japan, donated money to her, she took donations from a lot of people, and started asking for money for lectures,” the Israeli official complained.

After more than five months of research, however, the publicity-hungry lawyer has produced nothing of substance to justify her massive fundraising haul. Indeed, the “atrocity report” Elkayam-Levy had promised supporters, which would have provided clear evidence of systematic sexual violence by Hamas on October 7, has yet to arrive.

Meanwhile, she reportedly attempted to obstruct a visit to Israel by United Nations Special Representative on Sexual Violence in Conflict Pramila Patten, whose report was ultimately touted by Israel as “proof” of sex crimes by Hamas despite Patten’s own admission that it contained no evidence and lacked any investigative mandate from the UN.

I first became aware of Elkayam-Levy’s penchant for fudging facts during a November 11, 2023 presentation she delivered to Harvard University’s Maimonides Society. There, she presented images of female Kurdish fighters killed in combat as Jewish Israeli women who had been killed and raped by Hamas militants at the Nova Electronic Music Festival on October 7.

After I exposed her glaring falsehood, Elkayam-Levy refused to correct her claim, taking to Twitter/X instead to thank me for promoting her work.

[crazyinsane105]

1 hour ago, Sardaukar said:

There is something very wrong with people in Gaza... They have not learned yet that stupidity kills...

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/18-palestinians-killed-in-gaza-by-aid-airdrop-malfunction/3175307

At least 18 Palestinians were killed in the Gaza Strip on Tuesday after an aid airdrop malfunctioned, Gaza’s government media office said.

The fatalities included 12 people who drowned in the sea in the northern Gaza Strip and six in a stampede while gathering to obtain aid, the office said in a statement.

“The aid airdrops pose a real threat to the lives of hungry Palestinians,” the statement warned.

It said some aid fell into the sea, inside Israel or in war zones.

I suppose you also were starving at one point in time, and had to run towards an air drop for food, right? Otherwise I’m unsure how you came across that judgement 

[crazyinsane105]

US official accused IDF of sexually abusing Palestinian women, general says
 

https://m.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-793420
 

This signals a further breakdown in relations between Israel and the US. It’s one thing for media outlets to claim this, quite another for an official from the State Department to make this claim. 

[BansheeOne]

10 minutes ago, crazyinsane105 said:

Cochav Elkayam-Levy, the Israeli lawyer at the center of the campaign accusing Hamas of systematic sexual violence on October 7, now stands accused by Israeli media of scamming donors and spreading misinformation. The allegations appeared just days after Elkayam-Levy received the prestigious Israel Prize.

As the founder of the so-called Civil Commission on October 7th Crimes by Hamas against Women and Children, Israel lawyer Cochav Elkayam Levy has been a go-to source for Western media organizations pushing the narrative that Palestinian militants carried out sexual assault on a massive and systematic basis when they attacked Israel.

Elkayam-Levy has starred in a factually challenged CNN special on the topic narrated by the fervently pro-Israel host Jake Tapper, who identified her as “an expert in human rights law who organized a civil committee to document evidence.” Haaretz featured Elkayam-Levy as the subject of a puff piece which misleadingly claimed that her work “presents a horrifying picture that leaves no room for doubt: On October 7, Hamas terrorists systematically carried out acts of rape and sexual abuse.”

Then, on December 6, 2023, members of the White House National Security Council and Assistant to the President and Director of the Gender Policy Council Jennifer Klein hosted Elkayam-Levy in Washington to hear “about her work to gather testimony and document evidence of the events of October 7 and develop a comprehensive accounting of gender-based violence committed by Hamas.”

Now, the lawyer’s public relations extravaganza has earned her the Israel Prize, the most prestigious honor any Israeli citizen can receive from their government. “We must stand firm against the stark denial and the increasing tide of antisemitism,” she declared in a March 21 statement accepting the award.

Yet three days later, Israel’s largest newspaper, YNet, published a damning exposé accusing Elkayam-Levy of ripping off major donors, including a member of the Biden administration, spreading fake Hamas atrocity tales, and failing to deliver on her promise of a major report about sexual violence on October 7.

“People have disassociated themselves from her because her research is inaccurate,” an Israeli government official told YNet. “After all, the whole story is that they want to accuse us of spreading fake news, and her methodology was neither good nor accurate.”

Government officials were particularly incensed that Elkayam-Levy spread discredited claims that a Hamas militant cut a fetus from a pregnant woman before raping the woman – a lie first spread by confirmed fraudster Yossi Landau of the scandal-stained ZAKA organization. “The story about the pregnant woman who had her stomach cut open – a story that was proven to be untrue, and she spread it in the international press,” the official complained to YNet. “It’s no joke. Little by little, professionals began to distance themselves from her because she is unreliable.”

Elkayam-Levy further alienated the Israeli government by spinning her “Civil Commission” out of a one-woman operation she ran called the Deborah Institute, creating the sense that she was representing Tel Aviv in an official capacity. “In the beginning she was really very active, which was very nice,” a source told YNet. “Then it started calling itself a civilian commission. People got confused, members of Congress turned to people who work with Israel and asked what it is – ‘Israel built a commission?’ It’s a confusing name. And to the question of whether there is such a thing at all? Is there such a body? The answer is – no. It is the body. She isthe civil commission.”

Through her Deborah Institute, Elkayam-Levy has raised millions of dollars. But if the government sources who spoke to YNet are to be believed, she conned wealthy American Jewish donors like Rahm Emanuel, currently the Biden administration’s ambassador to Japan, and channeled the money into her personal bank account.

According to YNet, Elkayam-Levy appealed for $8 million to launch her “Civil Commission,” requesting $1.5 million for “management and administration.” “Rahm Emanuel, the US ambassador to Japan, donated money to her, she took donations from a lot of people, and started asking for money for lectures,” the Israeli official complained.

After more than five months of research, however, the publicity-hungry lawyer has produced nothing of substance to justify her massive fundraising haul. Indeed, the “atrocity report” Elkayam-Levy had promised supporters, which would have provided clear evidence of systematic sexual violence by Hamas on October 7, has yet to arrive.

Meanwhile, she reportedly attempted to obstruct a visit to Israel by United Nations Special Representative on Sexual Violence in Conflict Pramila Patten, whose report was ultimately touted by Israel as “proof” of sex crimes by Hamas despite Patten’s own admission that it contained no evidence and lacked any investigative mandate from the UN.

I first became aware of Elkayam-Levy’s penchant for fudging facts during a November 11, 2023 presentation she delivered to Harvard University’s Maimonides Society. There, she presented images of female Kurdish fighters killed in combat as Jewish Israeli women who had been killed and raped by Hamas militants at the Nova Electronic Music Festival on October 7.

After I exposed her glaring falsehood, Elkayam-Levy refused to correct her claim, taking to Twitter/X instead to thank me for promoting her work.

"The Grayzone", seriously? When Israeli media are bringing this up, shouldn't be so hard to quote them rather than a far-left conspiracy site which is part of the network trying to whitewash the entire 7 October attack.

[crazyinsane105]

8 minutes ago, BansheeOne said:

"The Grayzone", seriously? When Israeli media are bringing this up, shouldn't be so hard to quote them rather than a far-left conspiracy site which is part of the network trying to whitewash the entire 7 October attack.

The media outlet that was linked is actually in Hebrew, which would be unreadable for most folks on this site. I figured this source, however crappy, would at least do a summary of what was written on Ynet. I was hesitant in even posting this, and I’m unsure of the validity of even Ynet, but I’ll let folks here decide what is worth reading 

Edited March 26 by crazyinsane105

[crazyinsane105]

For what it’s worth here is the source that it referenced

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/skt8j03rt

[sunday]

5 minutes ago, crazyinsane105 said:

For what it’s worth here is the source that it referenced

https://www.ynet.co.il/news/article/skt8j03rt

Barely camouflaged anti Semitic Nazis, obviously.

They could be even linked to AfD!

Edited March 26 by sunday

[Sardaukar]

59 minutes ago, crazyinsane105 said:

I suppose you also were starving at one point in time, and had to run towards an air drop for food, right? Otherwise I’m unsure how you came across that judgement 

Like run into sea to drown? Or get trampled? Latter can be accident, former definitely not. 

How NOT to come across that judgement? 

[crazyinsane105]

25 minutes ago, Sardaukar said:

Like run into sea to drown? Or get trampled? Latter can be accident, former definitely not. 

How NOT to come across that judgement? 

Again, have you ever been in a war zone and went days on end without food? And the only chance to cure your hunger or to provide for a family is by taking a risk to swim and grab something from the sea? 
 

I don’t see the stupidity in this. Rather I feel quite sorry for them. But somehow you do so please clarify 

Edited March 26 by crazyinsane105

[crazyinsane105]

51 minutes ago, sunday said:

Barely camouflaged anti Semitic Nazis, obviously.

They could be even linked to AfD!

😂 

Maybe what’s written in Hebrew is completely different than what I posted, I don’t know. But if an Israeli source is bashing the lawyer for a number of reasons, I think it’s well worth posting 

[sunday]

7 minutes ago, crazyinsane105 said:

😂

Maybe what’s written in Hebrew is completely different than what I posted, I don’t know. But if an Israeli source is bashing the lawyer for a number of reasons, I think it’s well worth posting 

Giggle Translate seems to get the gist.

I could understand some people suffering cognitive dissonance when confronted with Israeli journalists working in Israeli media that dares to denounce other Israelis as liars, embezzlers or otherwise less-than-perfect human beings.

[Perun]

Gideon Sa’ar, a prominent Israeli lawmaker and chair of the New Hope-The United Right Party, has announced his resignation from the government, citing concerns over the conduct of Israel’s war on the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip and its impact on the occupation state’s international standing. Sa’ar’s decision comes amid growing frustration with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s handling of the military operation and the exclusion of Sa’ar from the war cabinet.

More than 32,400 Palestinians, mostly women and children, have been killed by Israel in a campaign which the International Court of Justice (ICJ) has concluded amounts to a possible genocide. The rate of killing in Gaza is the highest of any war in recent history.

In a statement to the media, Sa’ar expressed his belief that the current military strategy is not effectively advancing Israel’s goals and is instead prolonging the campaign. He argued that a quicker timetable should have been implemented to destroy Hamas’ military power.

Furthermore, Sa’ar emphasised that the prolonged war has had a detrimental effect on Israel’s position in the international diplomatic arena. Despite repeatedly voicing his concerns in the security cabinet, Sa’ar felt that his influence was limited, as the forum had become a mere talking shop, with crucial decisions being made exclusively by the war cabinet.

Sa’ar’s attempt to join the war cabinet was met with opposition from Benny Gantz, the head of the National Unity Party, prompting Sa’ar to break his party’s electoral alliance with Gantz’s party two weeks ago. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reportedly did not object to Sa’ar’s inclusion in the war cabinet. National Security Minister and the far-right politician Itamar Ben-Gvir insisted on being allowed in as well, which Netanyahu opposed.

As Israel continues to grapple with the international fallout from its assault on Gaza, Sa’ar’s departure from the government highlights the growing divisions within the Israeli political landscape. With no clear path to victory in sight and Israel becoming a global pariah, more resignations are expected to follow.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20240326-israeli-lawmaker-resigns-citing-misguided-execution-of-gaza-genocide/

Edited March 26 by Perun

[rmgill]

 

[Perun]

...

The video showed the apparently lifeless body of a bearded young man being hauled onto the beach, the eyes open but unmoving, and another man trying to revive him with chest compressions as somebody said, "It's over."

"He swam to get food for his children and he was martyred," said a man standing on the beach who did not give his name.

"They should deliver aid through the (overland) crossings. Why are they doing this to us?"

"People are dying just to get a can of tuna," Gaza resident Mohamad al Sabaawi told the AFP news agency, holding a can in his hand after a scramble over an aid package.

...

https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/he-swam-to-get-food-for-his-children-12-drown-as-us-drops-aid-off-gaza-17528771

[rmgill]

4 hours ago, TrustMe said:

Starving people will do anything to get food or water. 

These are the same starving people who are complaining that the US food drops are not Halal enough? 

[rmgill]

2 hours ago, crazyinsane105 said:

I suppose you also were starving at one point in time, and had to run towards an air drop for food, right? Otherwise I’m unsure how you came across that judgement 

How many Dutch were killed by Operation Manna and Chowhound? 

Edited March 26 by rmgill

[glenn239]

3 hours ago, crazyinsane105 said:

I suppose you also were starving at one point in time, and had to run towards an air drop for food, right? Otherwise I’m unsure how you came across that judgement 

While they're at it, the "Gazans are not starving" crowd can explain why well fed people would risk their lives for food.

[crazyinsane105]

40 minutes ago, rmgill said:

These are the same starving people who are complaining that the US food drops are not Halal enough? 

Not all Muslims care about halal food. It’s like saying all Jews care about kosher food. 

[bojan]

Case in point, Bosnia and alcohol.

[Ivanhoe]

39 minutes ago, glenn239 said:

While they're at it, the "Gazans are not starving" crowd can explain why well fed people would risk their lives for food.

Money. First to the package can mean first to sell the food to the highest bidder.

[Ivanhoe]

5 hours ago, Sardaukar said:

There is something very wrong with people in Gaza... They have not learned yet that stupidity kills...

Palestinian Arabs are now in their 3rd or 4th generation raised in a culture dominated by sociopathic hatred. There's no point to expecting rational thought or behavior.

Gaza in particular illustrates their reality. Gaza borders two vastly larger and more powerful nations, with wildly different cultures, religions, etc. The Arabs in Gaza have chosen to antagonize both neighbors. 

[rmgill]

2 hours ago, glenn239 said:

While they're at it, the "Gazans are not starving" crowd can explain why well fed people would risk their lives for food.

People never do risky dangerous things unless they’re hungry.