Yama Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, jaro said: here, video where they take out those russians who wear Ukrainian uniforms! ...well, hope they really were Russians then. Plenty of GI's were shot by their own in Ardennes after Americans heard of Operation Greif. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaro Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, Yama said: ...well, hope they really were Russians then. Plenty of GI's were shot by their own in Ardennes after Americans heard of Operation Greif. from what was said, they were chasing these trucks from outskirts.. this one was supposedly leading the convoy, others got destroyed sooner. They said Russians captured those trucks, and used it as "maskirovka" to get through Kyiv fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) I guess there must be negotiations going on behind the scenes to explain this strange war. Edited February 25, 2022 by lucklucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaro Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Russians are shooting at civilian cars near Kherson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-Files Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 Reference the post above, I've seen several videos of Russian units passing the photographer in a completely UN -tactical mode; no ring mounted MGs, no convoy escort vehicles, radar or missile units with soft skin logisticals following. Those'd be an easy target, even for a handful of riflemen. MY POINT is that attacks might have happened on Russian rear echelon units and now they're going full asshole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-Files Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 REMINDER - recalibrate your Bullshit Detectors every morning. Some Of The Most Popular 'Ukraine Footage' Is Actually A Video Game https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/most-popular-ukraine-footage-actually-001000641.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Kotsch Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 21 minutes ago, jaro said: here, video where they take out those russians who wear Ukrainian uniforms! (at least its presented as such) Isn't that the video in which the STRELA-10 rolls over the car? Just from a different perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bojan Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Ukrainian Buk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaro Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Day 1 of Combat 🧵, Takeaways from available information: 1.Russians broke with their own doctrine of relying on heavy, concentrated support fires. 2.Failure to prepare the operational area with adequate preparatory fire to break up and destroy Ukrainian defenses was a critical hinderance 3.Russians allowed themselves to dilute their own strength by advancing (and dividing their forces & fires) along 4 axis of advance. None were capable of achieving their objectives as a result. 4.Insufficiently supported troops failed to achieve necessary tactical breakthroughs with strategic implications for the battlespace 5.Airborne/Air Assault forces cannot operate well against even a semi-intact air defense network, or in contested airspace. 6.Airborne/Air Assault insertions against superior local forces are an expensive waste of highly trained manpower. 7.Commando actions ala Joachim Piper in the Ardennes 1944, in Kyiv, did not achieve much success. Commando infiltration of Kyiv a major success prior to operations – massive Ukrainian security failure. 8.Russian morale is lower than expected. Some units appear to have anticipated being met with grateful Ukrainian crowds instead of stiff opposition. 9.Leadership at the Platoon, Company & Battalion level highly questionable in some units based on behavior. 10.Russian troops are ‘green’ overall, noticeable reluctance to dismount APCs/IFVs and provide infantry screen for the armor when in contact. Heavy resulting casualties vs man portable anti-tank weapons 11.Overall battleplan’s basic assumptions on opposition levels and Russian capability fundamentally flawed. Command & Control rigid and inflexible. 12.Ukrainians delayed mobilization far too long. Decision not to hold on the Dnieper politically more viable than abandoning East Ukraine, but possibly a critical strategic failure militarily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaro Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Overall, looks like Russian army is not so scary.. If Ukrainians were slightly better supported with more western weapons, they would be able to stop them... shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3412500-ukrainian-serviceman-skakun-blows-up-henichesk-bridge-to-stop-advance-of-tank-column.html Remarkable story, Ukrainian serviceman had to blow up a bridge and tan out of time so blew himself up with it. There is an obituary online with the same name, and the same name appears as a midfielder on the Ukrainian national team. Edited February 25, 2022 by Stuart Galbraith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaro Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Ukrainian people are arming themselves.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawes Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Some news outlets are reporting that the hacker group Anonymous is supporting Ukraine by beginning attacks on Russian government sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaro Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dawes said: Some news outlets are reporting that the hacker group Anonymous is supporting Ukraine by beginning attacks on Russian government sites. yup, they put down RT and Ministry of Defense pages already.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 CNN claimed that the Ukrainian Government have put an out appeal to local hackers to assist them against the Russian Government, though its nice to see its progressed a bit further than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 12 hours ago, Simon Tan said: If the bulk of the Ukranian military is arrayed in the east, they are essentially being pocketed to east of the Dnepr. The killing will really begin when they try to break out. Stay and starve. Move and run the gauntlet of fires. This is classic operational manouevre. And the offensive was timed for the muddy season to make it even harder to get off the roads. Question - the Ukrainians insist they had no intention of attacking Donbass, but if that is the case, then why is their army entirely out of position to protect their capital and Odessa? Why would Zelensky put the bulk of his army into the noose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Because nobody envisaged Belarus giving Russia its head to launch an offensive, let alone through the Pripyat nuclear zone. When I pointed out it was a possiblity last week, Bojan broke my balls about that too. One can criticize the thinking, but one has to be a cracked to think Ukraine was going to choose to fight the Russian Army. Its complete unmitigated bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaro Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Plus, they didn't believe attack will come this soon.. and if, they expected they will try to take whole Donbas region, instead of going for Kyiv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaro Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Is it me, or Putin sounds a bit discouraged??? Telling Ukrainian people to surrender... They just started fighting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Ant Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Are there Nazi's in Ukraine? Yes, of course there. At any rate, if Putin's objective really were the denazification of Ukraine, probably the least helpful way of going about it would be exactly what he's been doing these last 7 years. Being under so much military pressure by a vastly superior neighbor, the Ukrainians would probably accept the service of 1st SS Leibstandarte in their army; literally anyone willing to take up arms against the looming threat of Russian Anschluss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 A column of abandoned, damaged and burned ukrainian vehicles near Kherson, part 2 of it seem to be an SA-8 battery: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 22 minutes ago, glenn239 said: And the offensive was timed for the muddy season to make it even harder to get off the roads. Question - the Ukrainians insist they had no intention of attacking Donbass, but if that is the case, then why is their army entirely out of position to protect their capital and Odessa? Why would Zelensky put the bulk of his army into the noose? There were some serious miscalculations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 31 minutes ago, jaro said: yup, they put down RT and Ministry of Defense pages already.. RT works fine, just checked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
X-Files Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 Cheeky. Audio is available on Twitter and the like. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/snake-island-soldiers-defiant-last-words-as-russian-warship-targets-them/ar-AAUhq0Y?ocid=msedgntp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Kotsch Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, Red Ant said: the Ukrainians would probably accept the service of 1st SS Leibstandarte in their army That is the point. I think these are less fascists/Nazis than right-wing extremists or ultra-nationalists. These people allied themselves with Germany in 1941 because for them the communist Soviet Union was a much greater threat. And are we honest? Nazi thinking was even acceptable in many European countries at the time. At least before the war. And anti-Semitism has also been widespread. So the Bandera people were in "good company". According to the old Soviet school, however, all those who fought with the Wehrmacht against the Soviet Union are without exception all fascists. That makes things so easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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