Kiev Is Burning

[Yama]

6 minutes ago, jaro said:

here, video where they take out those russians who wear Ukrainian uniforms!

...well, hope they really were Russians then. Plenty of GI's were shot by their own in Ardennes after Americans heard of Operation Greif.

[jaro]

3 minutes ago, Yama said:

...well, hope they really were Russians then. Plenty of GI's were shot by their own in Ardennes after Americans heard of Operation Greif.

from what was said, they were chasing these trucks from outskirts.. this one was supposedly leading the convoy, others got destroyed sooner. They said Russians captured those trucks, and used it as "maskirovka" to get through Kyiv fast  

[lucklucky]

I guess there must be negotiations going on behind the scenes to explain this strange war.

Edited February 25, 2022 by lucklucky

[jaro]

 

 

Russians are shooting at civilian cars near Kherson.

[X-Files]

Reference the post above, I've seen several videos of Russian units passing the photographer in a completely UN -tactical mode; no ring mounted MGs, no convoy escort vehicles, radar or missile units with soft skin logisticals following.  Those'd be an easy target, even for a handful of riflemen.  MY POINT is that attacks might have happened on Russian rear echelon units and now they're going full asshole.

[X-Files]

REMINDER - recalibrate your Bullshit Detectors every morning.

Some Of The Most Popular 'Ukraine Footage' Is Actually A Video Game
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/most-popular-ukraine-footage-actually-001000641.html

[Stefan Kotsch]

21 minutes ago, jaro said:

here, video where they take out those russians who wear Ukrainian uniforms! (at least its presented as such)

Isn't that the video in which the STRELA-10 rolls over the car? Just from a different perspective.

[bojan]

Ukrainian Buk

[jaro]

 

 

Day 1 of Combat 🧵, Takeaways from available information:

1.Russians broke with their own doctrine of relying on heavy, concentrated support fires. 

2.Failure to prepare the operational area with adequate preparatory fire to break up and destroy Ukrainian defenses was a critical hinderance

3.Russians allowed themselves to dilute their own strength by advancing (and dividing their forces & fires) along 4 axis of advance. None were capable of achieving their objectives as a result.

4.Insufficiently supported troops failed to achieve necessary tactical breakthroughs with strategic implications for the battlespace 

5.Airborne/Air Assault forces cannot operate well against even a semi-intact air defense network, or in contested airspace.

6.Airborne/Air Assault insertions against superior local forces are an expensive waste of highly trained manpower.

7.Commando actions ala Joachim Piper in the Ardennes 1944, in Kyiv, did not achieve much success. Commando infiltration of Kyiv a major success prior to operations – massive Ukrainian security failure.

8.Russian morale is lower than expected. Some units appear to have anticipated being met with grateful Ukrainian crowds instead of stiff opposition.

9.Leadership at the Platoon, Company & Battalion level highly questionable in some units based on behavior.

10.Russian troops are ‘green’ overall, noticeable reluctance to dismount APCs/IFVs and provide infantry screen for the armor when in contact. Heavy resulting casualties vs man portable anti-tank weapons

11.Overall battleplan’s basic assumptions on opposition levels and Russian capability fundamentally flawed. Command & Control rigid and inflexible.

12.Ukrainians delayed mobilization far too long. Decision not to hold on the Dnieper politically more viable than abandoning East Ukraine, but possibly a critical strategic failure militarily.

 

[jaro]

Overall, looks like Russian army is not so scary.. If Ukrainians were slightly better supported with more western weapons, they would be able to stop them... shame

[Stuart Galbraith]

https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-ato/3412500-ukrainian-serviceman-skakun-blows-up-henichesk-bridge-to-stop-advance-of-tank-column.html

Remarkable story, Ukrainian serviceman had to blow up a bridge and tan out of time so blew himself up with it. There is an obituary online with the same name, and the same name appears as a midfielder on the Ukrainian national team.

 

Edited February 25, 2022 by Stuart Galbraith

[jaro]

 

 

Ukrainian people are arming themselves..

[Dawes]

Some news outlets are reporting that the hacker group Anonymous is supporting Ukraine by beginning attacks on Russian government sites.

[jaro]

2 minutes ago, Dawes said:

Some news outlets are reporting that the hacker group Anonymous is supporting Ukraine by beginning attacks on Russian government sites.

yup, they put down RT and Ministry of Defense pages already..

[Stuart Galbraith]

CNN claimed that the Ukrainian Government have put an out appeal to local hackers to assist them against the Russian Government, though its nice to see its progressed a bit further than that.

[glenn239]

12 hours ago, Simon Tan said:

If the bulk of the Ukranian military is arrayed in the east, they are essentially being pocketed to east of the Dnepr. The killing will really begin when they try to break out. 

Stay and starve. Move and run the gauntlet of fires. This is classic operational  manouevre. 

And the offensive was timed for the muddy season to make it even harder to get off the roads.  

Question - the Ukrainians insist they had no intention of attacking Donbass, but if that is the case, then why is their army entirely out of position to protect their capital and Odessa?  Why would Zelensky put the bulk of his army into the noose?

[Stuart Galbraith]

Because nobody envisaged Belarus giving Russia its head to launch an offensive, let alone through the Pripyat nuclear zone.  When I pointed out it was a possiblity last week, Bojan broke my balls about that too.

 

 

One can criticize the thinking, but one has to be a cracked to think Ukraine was going to choose to fight the Russian Army. Its complete unmitigated bollocks.

[jaro]

Plus, they didn't believe attack will come this soon.. and if, they expected they will try to take whole Donbas region, instead of going for Kyiv

[jaro]

Is it me, or Putin sounds a bit discouraged???  Telling Ukrainian people to surrender...  They just started fighting!

[Red Ant]

4 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Are there Nazi's in Ukraine? Yes, of course there.

At any rate, if Putin's objective really were the denazification of Ukraine, probably the least helpful way of going about it would be exactly what he's been doing these last 7 years. Being under so much military pressure by a vastly superior neighbor, the Ukrainians would probably accept the service of 1st SS Leibstandarte in their army; literally anyone willing to take up arms against the looming threat of Russian Anschluss.

[TonyE]

A column of abandoned, damaged and burned ukrainian vehicles near Kherson, part 2 of it seem to be an SA-8 battery:

 

[Perun]

22 minutes ago, glenn239 said:

And the offensive was timed for the muddy season to make it even harder to get off the roads.  

Question - the Ukrainians insist they had no intention of attacking Donbass, but if that is the case, then why is their army entirely out of position to protect their capital and Odessa?  Why would Zelensky put the bulk of his army into the noose?

There were some serious miscalculations

[Perun]

31 minutes ago, jaro said:

yup, they put down RT and Ministry of Defense pages already..

RT works fine, just checked

[X-Files]

Cheeky.  Audio is available on Twitter and the like. 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/snake-island-soldiers-defiant-last-words-as-russian-warship-targets-them/ar-AAUhq0Y?ocid=msedgntp

[Stefan Kotsch]

5 minutes ago, Red Ant said:

the Ukrainians would probably accept the service of 1st SS Leibstandarte in their army

That is the point. I think these are less fascists/Nazis than right-wing extremists or ultra-nationalists.
These people allied themselves with Germany in 1941 because for them the communist Soviet Union was a much greater threat. And are we honest? Nazi thinking was even acceptable in many European countries at the time. At least before the war. And anti-Semitism has also been widespread. So the Bandera people were in "good company". According to the old Soviet school, however, all those who fought with the Wehrmacht against the Soviet Union are without exception all fascists. That makes things so easy.