Kiev Is Burning

[On the way]

6 minutes ago, bojan said:

Fake from DSC.

 

For the love of god, apply some critical thinking when posting things.

Maybe its the F-35 out of Poland that I was theorizing on that shot that SU down? LOL

[On the way]

30 minutes ago, Perun said:

I am Slav from Croatia, could you please explain this

Do the words Josef Stalin, KGB/NKVD, and Gulags sound familiar to you?

[sunday]

6 minutes ago, On the way said:

I think the Israelis made the decision some time ago that between the Assad regime and various ISIS and terror related groups that the regime is fighting, the regime is the lesser of the evils. Hence any country that militarily aids the regime is indirectly a friend of Israel. They are not going to support an enemy of this friend.

I will not be so sure:

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/three-soldiers-killed-in-israeli-rocket-attack-on-damascus-syrian-tv-2785833

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-syria-israel-attacks-targets-in-southern-damascus-overnight-1.10617237

[Przezdzieblo]

3 minutes ago, bojan said:

No Z on the vehicle, Strela-10 (old version also...) alone in the enemy territory... Suspicious if those are Russian.

But you know that not all vehicles of Novorussia invasion forces got Z painted on it's sides, don't you?

[Laser Shark]

Bojan has a point though that there is a lot of misidentification going on, which was perhaps bound to happen what with both sides using similar (in many cases the same) equipment.

[jaro]

3 minutes ago, Przezdzieblo said:

But you know that not all vehicles of Novorussia invasion forces got Z painted on it's sides, don't you?

those vehicles are shown on another video with killed russians in ukrainian uniforms..

[Stuart Galbraith]

1 minute ago, bojan said:

Fake from DSC, and 30 seconds of google confirms it.

Got a link?

[Perun]

What is this about

 

https://t.me/familyman20181/9019

[bojan]

Just now, jaro said:

those vehicles are shown on another video with killed russians in ukrainian uniforms..

Some better evidence for that will have to be presented other than "someone said it so on twitter".

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

Like I said, got a link? If you have alternative sources for fact checking, im interested.

 

Found the Ukrainian Army Orbat from last year if anyone wants it.

https://en.ukrmilitary.com/p/ukrainian-ground-forces.html

[bojan]

4 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Got a link?

 

Original video, first one to be uploaded. Go to youtube and read author's comment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBBJ_JzV8u4&t=22s

 

Took 30 seconds of google to find it.

Edited February 25, 2022 by bojan

[bojan]

9 minutes ago, Przezdzieblo said:

But you know that not all vehicles of Novorussia invasion forces got Z painted on it's sides, don't you?

So Novorussian Strela-10 got from Donetsk/Lugansk all the way to Kiev?

Only thing I know is that I am not 100% sure whose vehicle it is. You are certain it is Russian. Evidence?

[Stuart Galbraith]

Just now, bojan said:

 

Original video, first one to be uploaded. Go to youtube and read author's comment.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBBJ_JzV8u4&t=22s

 

Took 30 seconds of google to find it.

I should have guessed, I thought the Mig29 pilot was flying like a DCS Player.

Ta muchly.

[Przezdzieblo]

bojan, as a researcher you probably understand, that there is a bit too early for document-rich monograph book about this invasion. There are few vids on Strela rolling-over civil car and Ural track with men in Ukrainian uniforms examined by other armed men. It was same location, same time. It should be easy to find.

So, what is a letter painted on 'technika' that is invading from Belarus territory if it is not Z?

[TrustMe]

Back in the Soviet times tanks and other armoured vehicles had a white cross painted on there tank hulls for identify, friend or foe purposes.

[jaro]

https://www.facebook.com/anton.gerashchenko.7/videos/281748763923443

 

here.. killed saboteurs in Ukrainian uniforms.. SA-10 is visible for a brief moment, anyway its the same place..

[bojan]

9 minutes ago, Laser Shark said:

Bojan has a point though that there is a lot of misidentification going on, which was perhaps bound to happen what with both sides using similar (in many cases the same) equipment.

I have learned from 1999. with both local and NATO claims of kills.

It is far less embarrassing to say that you don't know whose vehicle it is instead of parroting someone's twatter.

2 minutes ago, Przezdzieblo said:

...There are few vids on Strela rolling-over civil car and Ural track with men in Ukrainian uniforms examined by other armed men....

Accidents like those happen even in peacetime. Visibility out of MT-LB is poor with visors down (as was case here), especially to the side. We see that vehicle took a turn and hit the car, nothing more. We don't know whose vehicle is that. We don't know if it was accident or deliberate thing. Etc. So I would rather reserve judgment, if for nothing else than for the sake of seriousness of forum discussion.

[bojan]

3 minutes ago, jaro said:

https://www.facebook.com/anton.gerashchenko.7/videos/281748763923443

here.. killed saboteurs in Ukrainian uniforms.. SA-10 is visible for a brief moment, anyway its the same place..

Again, what evidence there is those are "saboteurs"?

Edited February 25, 2022 by bojan

[jaro]

there were reports of Russians using two captured Ukrainian trucks riding fast towards Kiyv in front of other Russian vehicles... if you are so good with google, why dont you look it up yourself???

[jaro]

 

[bojan]

2 minutes ago, jaro said:

there were reports of Russians using two captured Ukrainian trucks riding fast towards Kiyv in front of other Russian vehicles... if you are so good with google, why dont you look it up yourself???

"Reports" =/= evidence. There were all sorts of reports about shot down NATO aircrafts in 1999., do you also believe those? Baghdad Bob reported a lot of things. Again what happened?

It is war and everyone is lying, either deliberately or by not realizing what is happening. Trust only evidence that can be verified, and everything uncertain will be proven one way or other in due time. It is not that you, or I or someone else from forum is actually fighting this war, so waiting some time to clear things will cost us nothing and will add to a quality of discussion.

 

Edited February 25, 2022 by bojan

[Stefan Kotsch]

I absolutely agree with Bojan. Unless this information is checked and confirmed twice or thrice, it is considered doubtful. Anything else would be unprofessional.

[Przezdzieblo]

Well, that Strela hit a car, rolled-over it and then went back, rolling-over it again. And drive away, like nothing happened. For sure it was because of poor visibility with visors down - which, lets say for sake of discussion seriousness, for sure must be peacetime practice.

But ok, bojan, you got your points. Novorussian invasion on independent Ukraine is nothing important. Let the world feel sorry for 1999. Ukrainians too.

 

Baghdad Bob? Of course. Look, it is he, just saying: "Reports about US troops in Baghdad are not evidence!".

 

 

[futon]

Well if people are too concerned about being percieved as posting bad infor, then near nothing gets posted. And in someway, knowing the fake stuff has value too.

[bojan]

2 minutes ago, Przezdzieblo said:

...But ok, bojan, you got your points. Novorussian invasion on independent Ukraine is nothing important. Let the world feel sorry for 1999. Ukrainians too...

Do not put words I have not said in my mouth.

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Baghdad Bob? Of course. Look, it is he, just saying: "Reports about US troops in Baghdad are not evidence!".

Reduction ad absurdum. Reports are not evidence unless verified by pics or video.