Blunt Eversmoke Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) Oh, someone planned to put a T-72 turret on Leo 1 hull? For real?.. Complete with autoloader or what was the idea?..(Fuck, I knew there was something weirdly familiar about that picture ) Edited October 16, 2017 by Blunt Eversmoke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzermann Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) Trilateraler Versuchsträger "Panther" Edited October 16, 2017 by Panzermann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzermann Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) Oh, someone planned to put a T-72 turret on Leo 1 hull? For real?.. Complete with autoloader or what was the idea?.. (Fuck, I knew there was something weirdly familiar about that picture ) there is also a pic of a T-72 with the cast turret of a Leo1A5 floating around. Some say it was from an April issue of Soldat & Technik. but I do not happen to have the issue in question. Edited October 16, 2017 by Panzermann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KV7 Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 What was the point ? The T-72 hull is better armored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzermann Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 (edited) What was the point ? The T-72 hull is better armored.April issue is where the drawing in #1821 came from. And yes just selling the T-72 as is would have sufficed for malaysia. Kraftkarren (KraKa) Edited October 17, 2017 by Panzermann Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blunt Eversmoke Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 What are the weapons on the quad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GARGEAN Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 What are the weapons on the quad?TOW on the left(for vehicle) and spare containers on the right as it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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CaptLuke Posted November 18, 2017 Share Posted November 18, 2017 (edited) 7,5 cm selbstfahrlafette L40,8. Ordered in 1936 (!) as a TD. Lightly armoured on 5 ton halftrack chassis (with the engine placed at the rear). At least 6 prototypes built from 1935. Gun: 75mm L 40,8 (Vo= 685 m/s) with 360° traverse and -9 to 20° elevation. Strange that these were not taken in production. maybe they were seen as overkill as a TD at the time ? Might have been handy to have around in France and even later early in Barbarosa IMHO. Inhapi The development leveraged the HK900 series, which was cancelled with all of the other HK series halftracks (except the HK100s, which became the kettenkraftrad). An anti-tank variant that made sense as part of a mass produced vehicle series presumably made much less sense as a stand alone design requiring an all new production base. A whole series of HK, 'second generation' half tracks were envisioned, but were cancelled because the war would be over before they could be in mass production . . . until the war wasn't over and the urgent need for existing vehicles precluded building new ones. As with so many German projects, all that came out of was a bunch of interesting prototypes. If you're interested, someone has put an entire book about German semitrack work, including the HK series, online at scribd. Edited November 18, 2017 by CaptLuke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzermann Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 great book. bookmarked. thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chris Werb Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Has the Minebreaker 2000/2 replaced the Keiler? I thought the whole point of going with the M48 hull was its curved shape. I'm guessing the latter is tactical and the former designed primarily for humanitarian work therefore slower with higher clearance %? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keiler_(mine_flail) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panzermann Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 Keiler is still in service with the Bundeswehr. The Minebreaker2000 is a commercial offering to recycle old Leo1 hulls. e.g. selling to other armies or civilian mine clearing firms or foundations and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
methos Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 The Minebreaker 2000/2 was rented to the German Army (during ISAF) and to the South Korean military. It also was used on the Balkans after a German company was contracted by an anti-mine organization (Welt-Entminungs-Hilfe e.V.). Currently it is located in a museum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whelm Posted November 19, 2017 Share Posted November 19, 2017 (edited) An interesting paper design that may have had a general blurb about but never had images published as far as I know. After Canada had built and tested the Ram 3.7" they went back to the drawing board and came up with a fully enclosed turret/cab design. While the Ram 3.7" was primarily an AA vehicle with the ability to do AT work, this new design was for use as assault and close support roles only, to engage ground targets. The gun saddle was redesigned, tilting it forward 3.5 degrees while removing the leveling equipment on the 3.7" this allowed it to be lowered into the hull itself. This lowered the overall height as well as increased the depression. They state it's on a Grizzly hull but the mechanics are pulled from a Ram as the driver is in the same position as the Ram/Sexton's another document states the Ram hull and the cab/turret having a 360 deg traverse. The design also featured a hinged flap on roof over the gun, which would allow it to be used as a medium artillery, giving a range of 17,150 yards which was greater then that of the sexton. 3.7" AA gunElevation: 28 degDepress: - 8.5Traverse: 30 deg left, 30 deg right (could be boosted to 60 each direction in the design if felt required)Ammo: 10 round ready rack, 40 total Speed: 25 mphHeight 106 inchesCrew of 7 Armour values were fluid as figures were not set in stone and change date to date. The sides of the lower hull were to be reduced to 1 inch to shave weight with the savings able to be applied to the upper cab. These figures are from the drawings. Turret/Cab front: 28.575 mmGun shield: ?Sides: 15.875 mmRear: 15.875 mmRoof: 38.1 or 31.75 - 19.05 mm Hull glacis ? highly slopedOne piece lower front from the M4Sides: 25.4 mmRear: 38.1 mm ? The actual drawings are very poor in quality, details are hard to read, I did my best with 10-20 mins of line tracing them in paint...so yes I know they are bad. but they give you an idea. Edited November 19, 2017 by whelm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GARGEAN Posted November 26, 2017 Share Posted November 26, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Panzermann Posted November 28, 2017 Share Posted November 28, 2017 short tracked centurion, because a road wheel was blown off by a mine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr King Posted November 28, 2017 Author Share Posted November 28, 2017 Yep, Panzerman that is correct. Mine clearing charge carried on half tracks into the 90's by the IDF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikel2 Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Ooops... https://tankandafvnews.com/2017/09/10/photo-of-the-day-luchs-loading-fail/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rmgill Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 It strikes me that when Israel finally decides they're done with the M3 Halftracks, they could put them up on the market for $30-40k a pop and make a decent amount offsetting their costs for replacement of the new hardware.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr King Posted November 30, 2017 Author Share Posted November 30, 2017 It strikes me that when Israel finally decides they're done with the M3 Halftracks, they could put them up on the market for $30-40k a pop and make a decent amount offsetting their costs for replacement of the new hardware.... Well I know one collector in my city who owns I ex Israeli half track. I think a lot of them were sold off to collectors, but by who I dont know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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