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Interesting how children talk about shelling like about rain or other natural event

 

 

 

here is short summary of what has happened to the thugs and warlords of dombabwe and luganda.

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2019/06/01/where-are-they-now

 

although not yet cemented in volga, many of them are blown up in squabbles over loot

 

Taking into account pro-Ukrainians are proud of assassinating people from your list, does it mean your description " blown up in squabbles over loot" is describing cleprocratic nature of Ukraine?
Also, am i correct your " dombabwe and luganda" is somehow related to Zimbabwe and Rwanda?

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LNR mail stamps

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Meanwhile, President Putin ordered Ris MOI to provide extra preferences in getting Russian citizenship (as result of people complaining about long bureaucratic process)
http://kremlin.ru/events/president/news/60879

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Pro-Ukrainians (including President Zelensky) cry murder as two pro-Ukr marines (including female medic) were KIA near Shirokino, claiming it was ATGM hit into medical vehicle -0 while as for me it is quite obvious landmine incident (seems like vehicle was reversing and hit landmine by rear axis). Also note HMG installation on the vehicle

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Lets break it up a bit. Ukraine arrests Vladimir Tsemakh as a possible witness to the MH17 shoot-down.

 

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2019/07/09/the-arrest-of-vladimir-tsemakh-and-its-implications-for-the-mh17-investigation/

Vladimir Tsemakh was reportedly abducted on 27 June 2019 in his hometown of Snizhne by Ukrainian agents, who knocked him unconscious and smuggled him out of separatist-held territory using fake documents and by disguising him as an old paralyzed man in a wheelchair. Novaya Gazeta reported that his arrest was easy because he was in alcohol-induced stupor at the time of the detention and abduction (his wife has also publicly stated that Tsemakh has an alcohol problem).

 

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Lets break it up a bit. Ukraine arrests Vladimir Tsemakh as a possible witness to the MH17 shoot-down.

 

https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2019/07/09/the-arrest-of-vladimir-tsemakh-and-its-implications-for-the-mh17-investigation/

Vladimir Tsemakh was reportedly abducted on 27 June 2019 in his hometown of Snizhne by Ukrainian agents, who knocked him unconscious and smuggled him out of separatist-held territory using fake documents and by disguising him as an old paralyzed man in a wheelchair. Novaya Gazeta reported that his arrest was easy because he was in alcohol-induced stupor at the time of the detention and abduction (his wife has also publicly stated that Tsemakh has an alcohol problem).

 

:D

Nice example of how West-enspired (and often sponsored) "liberal" newspapers in Russia are generating direct lies for sake of Western media who then rush to report it as source.

Contrary to what Novaya Gazeta article is saying (and what you rush to take out for your message) Vladimir Tsemakh not only was not drunk with friends with few bottles of vodka after his wife left to work this morning - but he was returning home after driving his wife ( who is local coal mining trade school principal) to work on family car, and bought and carried home two bags of food for family on his way back -so he was easy target for two pro-Ukrainians who rented next door flat in his apartment block and attacked him on his flat doorstep). Still, his wife found traces of struggle and blood in apartment when coming back after work, meaning old man (he is 58) was able to deliver resistance to agents.

By the way Snejnoye is not exactly hometown for Vladimir Tsemakh - it is hometown of his wife, family moved there after Vladimir Tsemakh retirement (he is Afghan war veteran who served there 1982-1984 and was badly injured with spinal core fracture he only recovered from by miracle, then served in Far East, meaning his army service was quite hard). He was long retired by the time of 2014 events, but volunteered to pro-Rus militia, installed only available AA weapon (ZU-23) on his private small truck and was riding it from one position to another trying to repel pro-Ukrainian aviation that was attacking Snejnoye (this video is reminder of this bomb strikes)

After situation more or less calmed down, he returned to civilian live and worked as athletics teacher in one of local schools

More on this

https://www.donetsk.kp.ru/daily/26999.5/4060729/

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Another prediction coming to live: years ago i predicted it is question of time for pro-Ukrainians to turn their :activity" on Europeans. Now we see it in practical implementation:
Step 1: https://www.euronews.com/2019/07/12/ukrainian-fighter-found-guilty-over-killing-of-italian-photographer
https://www.thelocal.it/20190713/italian-court-gives-ukraine-soldier-24-years-for-journalist-deaths

An Italian court on Friday sentenced a Ukrainian former national guard commander to 24 years in prison for the murder of a photographer and his translator in the early days of the conflict in eastern Ukraine - it is higher than the 17 years requested by the prosecution, probably due to intensive pressure on court by pro-Ukrainians, including one of Nazi battalions masters, Minister of Interior Avakov (on photo below right to left - now sentenced Nazi Vitaly Markiv, MOI Avakov and the Commander of the National guard of Ukraine Lieutenant-General Mykola Balan http://ngu.gov.ua/en/commander-national-guard-ukraine-lieutenant-general-mykola-balan )
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Avakov again rushed to support Markiv
https://buzzon.live/12737-avakov-has-promised-to-appeal-the-verdict-of-the-italian-court-ex-fighter-apu/

 

Step 2: Founder of Right Sector Dmitry Yarosh (now running for Ukr Parliament) on his facebook page: "In relation to "independent" Italian court ruling in so called "Vitaly Markiv case" i propose a special operation. Let's "pack" dozen of Italians who are visiting Ukraine from time to time (i guarantee Ukrainian Volunteer army assistance in doing it). Let's accuse them of taking part in illegal armed formations DNR/LNR and killing peaceful Ukrainians in 2014-2015, and trail them for long time. And then our "most independent" court will sentence them for life ..... Our state is to demonstrate strength on international arena!"
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https://vesti-ukr.com/strana/343259-brat-v-zalozhniki-italjantsev-jarosh-predlozhil-radikalnye-metody-osvobozhdenija-markiva
https://ukranews.com/news/641998-yarosh-obvinil-italyanskij-i-ukrainskij-sudy-v-prodazhnosti

Welcome to Ukraine :)

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Another prediction coming to live: years ago i predicted it is question of time for pro-Ukrainians to turn their :activity" on Europeans. Now we see it in practical implementation:

Step 1: https://www.euronews.com/2019/07/12/ukrainian-fighter-found-guilty-over-killing-of-italian-photographer

https://www.thelocal.it/20190713/italian-court-gives-ukraine-soldier-24-years-for-journalist-deaths

An Italian court on Friday sentenced a Ukrainian former national guard commander to 24 years in prison for the murder of a photographer and his translator in the early days of the conflict in eastern Ukraine - it is higher than the 17 years requested by the prosecution, probably due to intensive pressure on court by pro-Ukrainians, including one of Nazi battalions masters, Minister of Interior Avakov (on photo below right to left - now sentenced Nazi Vitaly Markiv, MOI Avakov and the Commander of the National guard of Ukraine Lieutenant-General Mykola Balan http://ngu.gov.ua/en/commander-national-guard-ukraine-lieutenant-general-mykola-balan )

Avakov-Markiv-i-Balan.jpg

Avakov again rushed to support Markiv

https://buzzon.live/12737-avakov-has-promised-to-appeal-the-verdict-of-the-italian-court-ex-fighter-apu/

 

Step 2: Founder of Right Sector Dmitry Yarosh (now running for Ukr Parliament) on his facebook page: "In relation to "independent" Italian court ruling in so called "Vitaly Markiv case" i propose a special operation. Let's "pack" dozen of Italians who are visiting Ukraine from time to time (i guarantee Ukrainian Volunteer army assistance in doing it). Let's accuse them of taking part in illegal armed formations DNR/LNR and killing peaceful Ukrainians in 2014-2015, and trail them for long time. And then our "most independent" court will sentence them for life ..... Our state is to demonstrate strength on international arena!"

photo_2019-07-12_22-16-06.jpg

https://vesti-ukr.com/strana/343259-brat-v-zalozhniki-italjantsev-jarosh-predlozhil-radikalnye-metody-osvobozhdenija-markiva

https://ukranews.com/news/641998-yarosh-obvinil-italyanskij-i-ukrainskij-sudy-v-prodazhnosti

Welcome to Ukraine :)

 

 

 

as you keep saying, they really are just deeply russians, taking some random hostages for prisoners exchange is so deeply ....russian, that EDF officers were ´semi-officially´ warned not to travel to any russian-influenced territory after one russian spy was again captured :D​

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as you keep saying, they really are just deeply russians, taking some random hostages for prisoners exchange is so deeply ....russian, that EDF officers were ´semi-officially´ warned not to travel to any russian-influenced territory after one russian spy was again captured :D​

 

Nice to see you are coming to accept events in Ukraine are just another Russian civil war, where even most "patriotic Ukrainians" are Russians, despite they pretend to be ethnically different. And about " taking some random hostages" - let me remind you about unlucky Mariya Butina, and that most of Russian armed forces personell and law enforcement officers are officially strongly advised not to travel to countries where they can be captured by Western security forces.

 

P.S. Public in Italian court

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P.P.S. Meanwhile pro-Ukrainians calling for "our diaspora to take some actions" in relation with Italian court case - example from Facebook https://www.facebook.com/victor.tregubov.5/posts/2430311966988990?comment_id=2430763160277204&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D

"I think that we are to make big explosion somewhere in subway and then make a video with crazy demands, than another one saying we regret we were not taken serious enough, and repeat it again and again until our demands fulfilled - and then another explosion with thank you message. This is usually urging our European partners to negotiate. At least it is working for Arabs and Russians"

And his female friend Anna Chorina (Irvin, CA resident by the way) reply "You know, it is not exactly good, while very tempting. Be careful with this proposals. I do not want to say i am against that actions, but it should be done quietly" https://www.facebook.com/victor.tregubov.5/posts/2430311966988990?comment_id=2430763160277204&reply_comment_id=2431483703538483&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D

Another reaction from the same thread "Well, our National Guard is well equipped now. Time to send it to actions abroad" https://www.facebook.com/victor.tregubov.5/posts/2430311966988990?comment_id=2430314533655400&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D

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that most of Russian armed forces personell and law enforcement officers are officially strongly advised not to travel to countries where they can be captured by Western security forces.

 

 

 

 

 

that is of course a absolute win situation IMHO. :D​

 

though that is not enforced that hardly, unfortunately. some time ago a member in est. mil board described how he was at barbershop and overheard 2 russian hairdressers talking quietly in russian, how one had a boyfriend in OMON , he served a tour in caucasus , got money, then came to visit GF , stayed here couple months till next tour. (of course it´s possible it was a walt :)​ )

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How do these children differ from those hiding from Russian artillery in Syria?

Children are the same everywhere. But,

1) there is no "Russian artillery in Syria" - but only Syrian Gov artillery in Syrian civil war (where opposing side is verying from moderate headcutters to radical headcutters)

2) I do not remember Syrian President publically promising to win his civil war by forcing his opponents children into living in shelters and keeping their parents unemployed - while President of Ukraine did exactly this

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Ukraine says their Neptune anti-ship missile is read for service. I have my doubts but we'll see:

 

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Ukraine has completed one of the final trials of its Neptune land-based cruise missile, designed for coastal defence, and plans to soon field it to Ukraine's naval and land forces, Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko announced in April.

According to Poroshenko's statement, the test was conducted at a state testing ground and supervised by 11 Ukrainian ships positioned in the Black Sea.

In a speech at the test, recounted by the state press service, Poroshenko said, "Today we are ready to complete the test and equip the navy and the land forces on my command, in an extremely short period of time." He said students of the Odessa Maritime Academy had started training on the Neptune system so as "to drastically shorten the period that will allow combat use in the event of aggression against our state by the enemy".

Neptune is an anti-ship missile designed to protect Ukraine's coastal areas and to deter Russian naval actions in the area.

Four Neptune missiles are carried ready to fire on a KrAZ-7634HE 8×8 chassis. The entire complex consists of four launch vehicles, crewed by three personnel each, a 6×6 command-and-control vehicle, and two loading vehicles.

The Neptune missile is armed with a 145 kg high explosive fragmentation warhead and has a total weight of 670 kg.

Ukraine's state-owned Spets Techno Export said the missile was designed to sink naval vessels with a maximum displacement of 5,000 tonnes. It has a range of 280 km, which the company said is so the export model complies with the Missile Technology Control Regime. The missile could therefore have a longer range for Ukraine's own use and improve.

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Surprisingly good interview with OSCE Estonian monitor (probably most competent in his country, as he was the commander of the Estonian contingent in Afghanistan) about his experience and his take from it. My google translation from Russian original (https://rus.postimees.ee/6684731/estonskiy-oficer-v-donbasse-dlya-mnogih-voyna-eto-biznes?fbclid=IwAR0QiA7xqZYNytmhoAP6P6HvrAI4UTnzJv5LgjRIUThGRGZQSIXrubBsMYU ) - note i have skipped part where he is talking about his take for Estonia and media coverage as it is not related to Donbass

 

- You have worked in the combat zone in the Donbass for four years. What do you think is most important in this war?

- I still do not understand how eastern and western Ukraine can be put together in a puzzle of one country. These people have completely different cultural and historical backgrounds, as well as an understanding of autocracy. The emergence of a conflict on this basis was only a matter of time and desire, but by no means an unpredictable turn. However, Ukraine as a state was not ready for such a development of events. The inhabitants of the eastern part were not and still are not pro-Ukrainian.

Secondly, of course, civilians live in the combat zone and those who ran away from home or were forced to become a military refugee. I saw their sufferings and grief with my own eyes, and it touched me. The situation before the war was not rosy, but the war began from what it was. These are local, concrete people suffering from war, not the country and its armed forces and economy.
- Is there a way out of this grief and suffering?

“I don’t see any plans from the Ukrainian government regarding a bright future for uncontrolled territories.” Entrepreneurial and successful people evaporated from there at the very beginning of the war, and those who initially remained left in the following years: when they saw that there was no hope of restoring a normal situation.

There remained those people who have nowhere to go or not for their money. Most of them are elderly. There simply is not there that part of the population that would be able to develop the economy in this territory. Not to mention the fact that investments do not go here and will not come. From this situation there are no good solutions.

In Kiev or any other Ukrainian city that is not located on the front line, they do not understand that there is a war going on in the country. Even in Mariupol, where sounds of battles are heard in good weather, it is clear that the streets are calm and boring, and only some patriotic poster reminds of war. The war has become commonplace, and it is no longer noticed.

 

- What conclusions does a professional military make about the course of the war in the Donbass?

- For me, this is the third war or conflict in which I participate. (Prior to Afghanistan and Donbass, Kergand in 1998 and 1999 was a UN military observer on the Golan Heights and in the southern part of Lebanon - Ya.P.).

In truth, the scenario of the development of the conflict in the Donbass did not particularly surprise me. It was predictable, and it developed - and develops - according to a familiar scenario. What got me hooked was how many high-ranking and loyal to Ukraine military and security officers had gone over to the side of the people's republics or the Russian Federation. By the last I mean, first of all, the defector - the commander of the Ukrainian Navy in the Crimea. And how many more secret defectors exist that are not exposed?
The Armed Forces of Ukraine have undergone an incredible development. If at the beginning of the conflict from the Ukrainian side there was an opportunity to become a defector due to lack of personnel, weapons, equipment and motivation, now the picture is completely different. During the war years, the regular army became an effective force and no longer depended to the same extent on patriotic volunteers who went to the front in 2014-2015.
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- How different is the opinion of the OSCE monitors from what the media write?

- The predominant part of the media has chosen its side on the conflict territory, depending on which side of the front line they are from. Most publications are propaganda or deliberate lies, the purpose of which is to influence the target audience. Thus, it is not necessary to take for the truth everything that you read or hear.

One of the most important tasks of the OSCE is the transfer of objective information about what we see and hear. There are no places for speculations and rumors that could not be confirmed in our reports.
- How do you see the future of this war? The front line is stable in the last four years, although recently the Ukrainian army reported that it took control of 24 square kilometers during the year, that is, an area the size of two Keila cities and three villages. What is the most likely scenario?

- This is the question that the residents of the conflict zone asked me more often. In the first years I was optimistic and tried to instill in people hope and faith in the likelihood of some sort of solution of the issue in the near future. The last two years - seeing that there is no solution - I answer honestly: I do not see the light at the end of the tunnel and it would be wrong to instill unreasonable optimism in you.

In other words, this is a frozen conflict and there is no longer a good and satisfactory solution for it.
- Recently, Russia took an important decision - to grant Russian citizenship to residents of unrecognized popular republics. How will this change the situation in the Donbass?

- For the residents of the occupied territories, this is, of course, very good news, since this solution offers them at least some way out of their impasse. I'm sorry, for example, of those young people who go to school there. They have nothing to do with the certificate of the so-called Donetsk People's Republic: for further study they need to obtain a certificate of Ukraine or Russia. As citizens of Russia, it will be easier for them.
- I rather had in mind whether such a decision could have military consequences, given that now there will be millions of Russian citizens in the so-called people's republics that Russia, by its own laws, can defend with arms. Could this be the reason for the official entry of Russian troops?

- Naturally! Each country is obliged to protect its citizens. This is the same thing that happened in Abkhazia and South Ossetia. These things don't surprise me. The drawing was created a long time ago, there was just a question - whether and how this method will be applied.
- In that case escalation is inevitable?

- What does escalation mean? This may mean that they will be shooting at each other more actively for a couple of weeks, maybe they will spend several double-rides. But I do not believe that someone will undertake a full-scale attack in one direction or the other.
- Why not? Russia will not have to hide anything else, you can officially introduce wax - since most of the population of the occupied territories are Russian citizens.

- It is, yes, but I do not believe in the likelihood of this. This would mean an open, full-scale interstate military conflict. This is a kind of stalemate: the Ukrainians could try to recapture their occupied territories, but with the intervention of the Russian armed forces, which is very likely, the end result will be unpredictable. And the attack of the so-called people's republics is impossible without the help of the armed forces of Russia.
- Over the four months of this year, more than 30 Ukrainian servicemen have already died in the Donbass war, that is, two soldiers are killed a week. The war continues, although in Europe most seem to think otherwise. If you think about an ideal world, what kind of mandate does an international mission need to introduce a truce? Is this even possible if the warring parties do not want this?

- In words, both parties to the conflict want peace, the reality, however, is different. As I understand it, this conflict is governed by the interests of many people and groups. And these interests are not only peace-loving. For many, war is a business, that is, the possibility of economic profit. Both legally and in black. Politics and business in a military zone are interconnected and dependent on each other.

If we now talk about an international mission that should ensure peace, then the warring parties should fence off from each other a buffer zone - for hundreds of kilometers. And this would require tens of thousands of peacekeepers, their logistic content and the organization of rotation - it is not known for how long. It should be the armed forces of neutral countries approved by both parties to the conflict.
- Is it possible?

- I do not see such a resource and desire in the current political situation.
“You talked about business in the war zone and trying to make money from the war.” How often do you as an OSCE observer come across this?

- Faced when communicating with local residents. This is actually corruption. Such a study is not included in the list of topics covered by the OSCE mandate, and, as a rule, we do not reflect this in the reports, but when communicating with local residents, we had to hear about it.

Local residents were discontent with the use of limited resources with dubious value at the level of local authorities and flirting with people and businesses associated with the top authorities. There is nothing extraordinary in this, because this is how they work all over the country, and not just in the military zone. Just in the military zone it happens more intensively.

On the military side, the military industry comes into play, which is associated with government orders and the opportunity to make good money on it. And with the help of corruption. The war in one region of the country provides great opportunities for this, and if the war ends, the opportunity to make a profit will also end. It's simple.

From time to time, cases of corruption become public knowledge, officials and people with shoulder straps fly from their posts and go to jail. But in the overwhelming majority of cases, corruption remains undetected - or there is simply no desire to identify it. One gets the feeling.
- How did you live in Donetsk, the city in which the separatists rule? What restrictions did they put on you?

- I lived in a hotel, like all other OSCE observers. (OSCE observers live in the center of Donetsk at the former Radisson Hotel - YP) Self-tenancy and relocation in their spare time were excluded.

In the morning, they left the hotel for patrolling and returned in the evening. Free movement after work at best was limited to 200 meters from the hotel, at worst - the doors of the hotel. If you walk the streets, then only with special permission and with someone from fellow observers. At least one of us should have known Russian.

Often at the hotel, local residents organized “protests” in which they expressed dissatisfaction with the actions of the OSCE. One night, four OSCE armored jeeps were burned in the hotel parking lot. (This was on August 9, 2015, according to the OSCE, arson was the likely cause - Ya.P.)

For a while, all this was tolerated, but over time it began to oppress and tire. Especially the lack of freedom of movement. At least me.
Anto Kergand in the Donbass

Member of the mission of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) in the east of Ukraine from May 2015 to March 31 of this year.

May 2015 - March 2016 in Donetsk.

March 2016 - March 2018 in Mariupol.

March 2018 - March 2019 in Kramatorsk.

He served as an observer in the patrol and commander, drone pilot and duty officer at headquarters.

51-year-old Anto Kergand is a former officer of the Estonian armed forces, who went into reserve in 2015 with the rank of lieutenant colonel. From May to November 2011, he was the commander of the Estonian contingent in Afghanistan.

 

 

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