Turn Of Year 2015/16 At Cologne Train Station

[Panzermann]

 

and people say german statisticians have no humour! ;D

 

The EU should "do its best to undermine" the "homogeneity" of its member states, the UN's special representative for migration has said.

Peter Sutherland

 

yes, this has been a talking point for some time, but I have never seen any good argument suporting the point. It is always presented as unquestionably good to do so. Never said why it si supposed to be a good idea.

I can't but help to notice that reports of this statement go back to at least June 2012. And of course even then he was a sinister agent of the Bilderberg group.

 

[BansheeOne]

Well, this incident involves an asylum seeker and a train, so ... 24-year-old Eritrean gets into an altercation with a 35-year-old on a train to Flensburg. Staff make a PA query for any police officers on board. 22-year-old off-duty cop traveling in uniform responds and tries to defuse the situation. Eritrean stabs both her and his opponent. Officer shoots and kills him with her service gun. Both she and the other victim are reported in stable condition, but the latter has so far not been fit for questioning, so the reason for the fight is as yet unclear.

[Markus Becker]

The attack in the Inter City went down "just a little" different than initally reported.

 

The female cop was about to leave the train when she was attacked by the perp with a kitchen knife. She cried for help. The 34 year old man came to her support and managed to separate the two. The media emphasize that there are no indications that the perp/attack had a terrorist background. Yeah!

 

https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/schleswig-holstein/Neue-Zeugenaussagen-Polizistin-direkt-angegriffen,bahnhofflensburg102.html

[Panzermann]

The attack in the Inter City went down "just a little" different than initally reported.

 

The female cop was about to leave the train when she was attacked by the perp with a kitchen knife. She cried for help. The 34 year old man came to her support and managed to separate the two. The media emphasize that there are no indications that the perp/attack had a terrorist background. Yeah!

 

https://www.ndr.de/nachrichten/schleswig-holstein/Neue-Zeugenaussagen-Polizistin-direkt-angegriffen,bahnhofflensburg102.html

 

Maybe he subscribes to the idea of ACAB? A general hate of the state and its institutions? His permit was running out?

[Markus Becker]

You forgot to mention possible mental health issues.

 

Edit: This alleged not-terror attack happend a day after the terror attack in Belgium that targeted two female cops.

Edited June 1, 2018 by Markus Becker

[BansheeOne]

An additional witness for the train incident has confirmed that the police officer was suddenly attacked with a kitchen knife by the Eritrean when she got up to leave the train at Flensburg, where her mother was waiting on the platform to greet her. The 35-five-year-old from Cologne intervened when he pursued her as she ran back into the aisle, crying for help, and also got attacked. The cop then shot the perpetrator as he kept stabbing the civilian. She is refusing to give a statement herself; as she only finished training six months earlier, she is probably doing the fuck what senior people tell her.

 

Meanwhile there is a current rape-murder case by an Iraqi (possibly Kurdish) refugee where about everything went wrong. 20-year-old Ali Bashar is suspected of raping and killing 14-year-old Susanna F. from Mainz in the night of 22/23 May near Wiesbaden. He had come to Germany in October 2015 and was living in a refugee shelter in Wiesbaden-Erbenheim with his family as one of six children. His asylum request was rejected on 30 December 2016, but as usual, his lawyer filed a complaint, and proceedings were ongoing. Lately he had shown up on the radar of police several times; in March he got into an altercation with a female police officer in Wiesbaden, in April he was accused of robbing a man, and the same month he was caught illegally carrying a knife in public. He was also a suspect in the alleged rape of an eleven-year-old refugee girl in March who said the perpetrator was one Ali; four men of that name were living in the shelter, and the claim of the victim who came forward only in May doesn't seem to have been substantiated so far, but all investigations were also ongoing.

 

Susanna F. had been seen with the suspect at the shelter at least once; it appears she was interested in a younger brother of him, who however didn't return the interest. On 23 May she was reported missing by her mother to police in Mainz, who had received a text message from her phone stating in halting German that she had gone to Paris with her boyfriend and would be back in two or three weeks, so no need to look for her. The case may not have gotten the necessary attention initially upon hearing that Susanna had skipped school repeatedly since February, and there appears to have been some back and forth between Mainz and Wiesbaden police until the latter took over on 30 May, commenced a public search and ordered Susanna's phone to be located. On 29 May already, the mother was advised by an acquaintance that her daughter was dead and buried near a railroad line, but police couldn't question the informer since she was on a short vacation with her own mother.

 

On 31 May, the suspect's family hurriedly left the shelter, allegedly telling cohabitants they had to skip because they were facing deportation. They ordered flight tickets under a false name, and on 2 June changed booking at check-in at Düsseldorf airport, paying cash for a one-way trip to Istanbul. The fact that the tickets were in a different name from the family's in their German residence documents appears to have gone unnoticed, with only photos checked against faces. For travel documents, the family presented Arab-language "lassez-passer" papers issued by the Iraqi embassy, which cynically speaking is a creative application of this type of document which is frequently used to facilitate the deportation of immigrants who have "lost" their passports; and of course, people probably don't look too hard at asylum seekers leaving Germany. On 3 June, they continued from Istanbul to Arbil.

 

The same day, a 13-year-old from the refugee shelter gave the decisive pointer when he told police that the suspect had told him that he had raped and killed Susanna. He also stated where it had happened, and that there had been an accomplice. Police finally found her body in a pit covered by brushwood in difficult terrain next to a railroad track in an industrial area in the southeast of Wiesbaden three days later; the cause of death was stated to be massive trauma to the throat. A 35-year-old Turkish citizen from the shelter was detained as a possible accomplice, but released yesterday as the case against him wasn't substantiated.

 

Needless to say, the affair isn't exactly good PR for the refugee issue, particularly as there have been two previous cases of young asylum seekers killing German underage girls (obviously folks don't get equally upset about immigrant-on-immigrant violence of the same kind, which happens a fair bit more often). One was an alleged 15-year-old Afghan who entered as an unaccompanied minor in April 2016 and killed his 15-year-old ex-girlfriend on 27 December last year in Kandel, RLP; he had met her when she helped him learn German, threatened her when she broke up, and finally stabbed her in a supermarket. As so often, it was determined in the investigation that he was more likely 17-20 years old; public boadcaster ARD ran a feature about the case only this week (in German, of course).

 

The other case was rather similar, with an 18-year-old Afghan killing his 17-year-old girlfriend on 12 March this year in Flensburg, SH in their common flat. She was also in the care of the local child protection authority; of course, youths like this are particularly likely to become victims of further abuse, as various other recent cases not generally involving perpetrators with an immigration background have shown. Naturally, some usual suspects are also happy to claim any underage relationship murders for their anti-immigration cause.

 

That happened recently here in Berlin when a 14-year-old girl was stabbed to death in her own room with excessive violence on 7 March. There were the common quick "alternate media" reports of an Arab-looking youth seen leaving the scene; only it turned out that the perpetrator was a 15-year-old schoolmate of the victim named as Edgar H. At best the somewhat old-fashioned German name could be taken to indicate a fUSSR background, as ethnic communities isolated from cultural development in their countries of origin tend to stick to traditional customs more; but some folks really overreached when they claimed that "Edgar" was a name commonly given to children of Chechen Muslims to save their narrative. PEGIDA organizer Lutz Bachmann stuck his foot in farthest when he declared an unrelated kid which happened to have the same full name to be "the beast of the Caucasus" after finding his facebook account.

 

ETA: By latest reports, the suspect was detained at 0200 local time this night in Iraq by Kurdish police.

Edited June 8, 2018 by BansheeOne

[Markus Becker]

On aspect that makes the MSM a bit uneasy by the looks of it is the fact that the victim was Jewish. Maybe that's why they go on about the not machting names on the tickets and ID. Could be cluelessness, though. The police has disputed the allegations made by the MSM and politics and pointed out that it's their job to check IDs, which were 100% in order. Showing up at an airport with a ticket in the name of another person is something that person and the airline need to work out. It's not illegal and thus not of interest to the police.

 

Regarding immigrant-on-immigrant violence of the same kind. One reads way to often about guys attacking each other but murder-rape cases where both the victim and the perp are immigrants seem to be ... Hard to say what they are. I do recall reports about sexual assaults in mixed gender shelters. Again the kind of thing that makes the MSM uneasy. Probably because the vics are often having a different religious backgrund than the perps.

[EchoFiveMike]

So, if we assume rape is about power, as is popular opinion, the fact that these rapey savages keep attacking European women certainly bears thought. S/F...Ken M

[BansheeOne]

On aspect that makes the MSM a bit uneasy by the looks of it is the fact that the victim was Jewish. Maybe that's why they go on about the not machting names on the tickets and ID. Could be cluelessness, though. The police has disputed the allegations made by the MSM and politics and pointed out that it's their job to check IDs, which were 100% in order. Showing up at an airport with a ticket in the name of another person is something that person and the airline need to work out. It's not illegal and thus not of interest to the police.

 

That's the first I hear about the victim's faith. I read her mother made some desperate Facebook posts, so obviously her last name is known if you look for it and might be a clue. Googling it now I see it's Feldmann, which is inconclusive as such, but apparently somebody who knew went and made it public. Previously I just went with the media reports stating it as "F." as per laws on privacy.

 

The problem at the airport seems to have been that while airlines may check names on tickets against ID, and many do, they are not required to in Germany, unlike in neighbor countries like France and Belgium; and Federal Police not just don't have the mission to check tickets in addition to ID, they're not even allowed to per current law. As usual there's lots of good ideas how things could be improved after the fact now; but of course the guy was not even an immediate suspect until that 13-year-old's statement to police the day after they had already left, so whether he would have been apprehended if the false name had been found out is conjecture. And of course if they had simply gone by their real name, they would just have breezed through.

 

It seems unclear whether the suspect will be extradited to Germany since there is no formal agreement with Iraq. That Germany - so far unsuccessfully - wants several "IS wives" including minors with German citizenship back who have been arrested/convicted on terrorism charges in Iraq might somehow come into play. Of course some people would say that there is little sense in re-importing criminals we previously wanted to get rid off anyway, but I don't think he's going to face justice in Iraq over this.

[Markus Becker]

 

That's the first I hear about the victim's faith. I read her mother made some desperate Facebook posts, so obviously her last name is known if you look for it and might be a clue. Googling it now I see it's Feldmann, which is inconclusive as such, but apparently somebody who knew went and made it public. Previously I just went with the media reports stating it as "F." as per laws on privacy.

 

It learned that from the Achse des Guten yesterday. Somebody provided them with an internal police memo.

 

http://www.achgut.com/artikel/protokoll_des_mordes_an_susanna_f

 

Today some MSM sometimes menation it in some ways. Dishonorable metion of the Tagessschau. They witheld that piece of information in their own articles. It's only in the ones that are linked to their website from sister channels like the SWR.

[BansheeOne]

Really, unless it can be shown to be relevant to the crime, reporting the religion of either the victim or perpetrator* only serves the purpose of satisfying the curiosity of the audience. Otherwise, odds are he chose the victim for the same reason most rapists do, because she was available; particularly in view of him also being a suspect in the earlier case of the eleven-year-old from the same shelter.

 

 

* Given his name and alleged Kurdish ethnicity, I had thought he might be any of Sunni, Alevi or Yazidi. However, I read just now that the family's asylum application was over being persecuted by Kurds, so they are probably plain Sunni Arabs who may or may not have gotten caught up in the free-for-all when the initial IS conquest started to be rolled back.

[Markus Becker]

Please, it is the Tagesschau. This combination of facts went 100% against their narrative, so they left that out. Like they do so often:

 

http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/gaza-gefechte-105.html

 

http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/un-menschenrechtsrat-gaza-palaestinenser-101.html

 

 

And where do you find the real story?

 

 

 

[BansheeOne]

Please, it is the Tagesschau. This combination of facts went 100% against their narrative, so they left that out. Like they do so often:

 

http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/gaza-gefechte-105.html

 

http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/un-menschenrechtsrat-gaza-palaestinenser-101.html

 

 

And where do you find the real story?

 

Here, among other places.

 

Am Montag hatten israelische Soldaten 60 Menschen am Grenzzaun um den Gazastreifen erschossen, die meisten davon Mitglieder der Hamas.

 

http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/israel-619.html

 

Of course people who have to defend a narrative will leave out inconvenient facts. That includes people who adhere to the narrative that the Tagesschau deliberately omits stuff they would like to hear.

[Markus Becker]

Here, among other places.

 

Not completely. One article, ten days later and what's missing is the info that Hamas admitted it on tv! Anyway, they are showing signs of improvement. Instead of not covering a story at all, they are just leaving out some facts. If this trend continues they might provide their readers with all the information they got sometime in the future.

[Markus Becker]

For our foreign members:

 

The "rules" the German media gave themselves actually call for withholding certain information like nationality and so on unless it's relevant for the understanding of the events. But who decides on what basis?

 

And that gets situations like this.

[BansheeOne]

And it bears repeating that those rules were introduced in 1971 upon criticism by the Association of German-American Clubs that German media couldn't help themselves mentioning race whenever there was an incident with a black US soldier, unlike with white GIs. The final decision on what is relevant to publish however remained, as ever, with editorial staff; the worst that could happen if others disagreed was admonishment by the watchdog German Press Council after all. As of 22 March 2017, the Council also relaxed the rules for mentioning the nationality etc. of suspects.

 

http://journalistik.online/ausgabe-012018/debatte-wann-darf-die-nationalitaet-von-straftaetern-genannt-werden/

 

Of course some papers had already gone over to always doing that on the not unreasonable principle that the usual loonies will think it was a damn immigrant when they don't outright state otherwise anyway. Though selfsame loonies will just think it was a damn immigrant with a German passport if a suspect is reported to be German, and if told in plain words that he has no immigration background will start to fantasize about him being the product of some vacation fling of his mother's, or a Muslim convert, or there being some hidden Muslim in the family tree to defend their narrative, like with the suicidal Germanwings co-pilot and the Heidelberg car rampager. So it's arguably not worth the effort; nutters gonna nut.

 

Not completely. One article, ten days later and what's missing is the info that Hamas admitted it on tv! Anyway, they are showing signs of improvement. Instead of not covering a story at all, they are just leaving out some facts. If this trend continues they might provide their readers with all the information they got sometime in the future.

 

One week later actually, and one week before the second example you linked. And if you were critical in the opposite way, you could accuse them of just stating it as an established fact when I'm sure you could debate and relativate and interpret the Hamas statement to no end. That's the beauty when you have a settled narrative: any proof to the contrary will never be good enough. If they reported it, it was either too late, or anyway at the wrong time when nobody saw it, or too short, or buried in too much information, or not critical enough, or at least not worded in the exact terms your own political camp has decided it should be worded in, etc.

Edited June 8, 2018 by BansheeOne

[rmgill]

And it bears repeating that those rules were introduced in 1971 upon criticism by the German-American Club that German media couldn't help themselves mentioning race whenever there was an incident with a black US soldier, unlike with white GIs. The final decision on what is relevant to publish however remained, as ever, with editorial staff; the worst that could happen if others disagreed was admonishment by the watchdog German Press Council after all. As of 22 March 2017, the Council also relaxed the rules for mentioning the nationality etc. of suspects.

Which is why, when it comes to restriction of speech, our English Enlightenment view is that what ever problem you're fixing will be outweighed by the problems you cause by such restrictions. The cure ends up worse than the disease.

 

Now that the pendulum has swung the other direction, you have the attempts to hide problems that ARE demographic related.

 

In the US if you point out a statistic like over representation of crime among African Americans someone will try to brand you as a racist, failing to grasp that the correlation doesn't explain the causation. They just leap to race as the factor, but because racism in that context is bad, they just shut down and call you a racist for pointing out facts. It's the same mechanism when you point to disparity in pay between genders, the cause MUST be sexism, but that sexism needs to be loudly proclaimed because women need to be equal in all things. But again, when you point out the disparity in hazards between genders in say deaths on the job, that has to be silenced because THAT level of equality must be NOT equal.

 

Talking about facts is hard. It runs against biases and the left is very BAD at dealing with that. I doubt that the left in Europe is all that different than the one in the US. Especially considering they all seem to compare notes at the university level and the behaviors appear to be very similar.

 

Under Title IX in the US, the Obama Administration noted a disparity in the amount of discipline issues in schools between black and white students. So they demanded that schools have the same number of white students disciplined as black students (or rates or something). Which meant that black students with bad problems were ignored and white students with little problems were hit with the proverbial brickbat for minor infractions.

 

That's the equality of outcome nonsense that we on the center right rail against.

 

Edited June 8, 2018 by rmgill

[Chris Werb]

Ryan, I can see all your points above, but I honestly often find members of the right just as hard to talk to for exactly the same reason. With anyone with an ideology you are often battling against their attempts to be true to that ideology;s (or religion's) internal logic and you can't get them to accept facts that head in a different direction to where their doctrine takes them. You can argue that everyone has a belief system, but mine is at least based as far as possible around trying to draw conclusions from observable reality and common sense.

[Markus Becker]

 

One week later actually, and one week before the second example you linked. And if you were critical in the opposite way, you could accuse them of just stating it as an established fact when I'm sure you could debate and relativate and interpret the Hamas statement to no end.

 

 

https://www.memri.org/tv/hamas-politburo-member-bardawil-fifty-martyrs-were-hamas-members/transcript

 

 

 

Salah Al-Bardawil: "50 of the martyrs were from Hamas, and the other 12 were regular people. So how can anyone claim that Hamas is reaping the fruits, when it paid such a steep price? What did Hamas gain? 50 martyrs..."

Interviewer: "This figure is..."

Salah Al-Bardawil: "I am giving you an official figure. 50 of the martyrs in the recent battle were from Hamas. Before that, at least 50% of the martyrs were from Hamas. So what did Hamas gain from this?"

 

 

Which is why, when it comes to restriction of speech, our English Enlightenment view is that what ever problem you're fixing will be outweighed by the problems you cause by such restrictions. The cure ends up worse than the disease.

That can be seen in the commentaries on articles about crimes. Lot's of users assume they aren't told everything the author knows. And they aren't always wrong.

[BansheeOne]

Ah, but the guy is obviously defensive about Hamas' contribution to the Palestinian struggle while being in charge of Gaza, so he may just have invented their 50 martyrs! Also, MEMRI is of course an Israeli organization, and thereby by definition biased and a part of the Global Zionist Conspiracy, so obviously not to be trusted!

 

Just so we're really clear, I fully believe that even if there were no 50 Hamas members, the death of as many protesters as possible was a feature, not a bug in the events which were staged by Hamas for that very purpose, because it's what they always do; after all, the one thing they have in abundance is people to turn into martyrs for their cause. But the point remains that people will spin facts up to and beyond the limits of common credulity to defend their own narrative. This includes debate about editorial decisions of what is newsworthy enough to be included in 15 minutes of airtime, along with sports and weather (again - this is what Hamas always does ...). And as I have noted before, the German public broadcasters are under restrictions to just put additional content on their websites due to complaints about unfair competition by private media.

 

Which is why, when it comes to restriction of speech, our English Enlightenment view is that what ever problem you're fixing will be outweighed by the problems you cause by such restrictions. The cure ends up worse than the disease.

Now that the pendulum has swung the other direction, you have the attempts to hide problems that ARE demographic related.

In the US if you point out a statistic like over representation of crime among African Americans someone will try to brand you as a racist, failing to grasp that the correlation doesn't explain the causation. They just leap to race as the factor, but because racism in that context is bad, they just shut down and call you a racist for pointing out facts. It's the same mechanism when you point to disparity in pay between genders, the cause MUST be sexism, but that sexism needs to be loudly proclaimed because women need to be equal in all things. But again, when you point out the disparity in hazards between genders in say deaths on the job, that has to be silenced because THAT level of equality must be NOT equal.

Talking about facts is hard. It runs against biases and the left is very BAD at dealing with that. I doubt that the left in Europe is all that different than the one in the US. Especially considering they all seem to compare notes at the university level and the behaviors appear to be very similar.

Under Title IX in the US, the Obama Administration noted a disparity in the amount of discipline issues in schools between black and white students. So they demanded that schools have the same number of white students disciplined as black students (or rates or something). Which meant that black students with bad problems were ignored and white students with little problems were hit with the proverbial brickbat for minor infractions.

 

Well, regretfully this is another, more recent American export to Europe and Germany, following the Western liberal democratic values which the US were instrumental in really anchoring here after WW II. About any fad in the American PC culture that emerged since the mid-80s has popped up here a couple years later; I first came into contact with it at university in the 90s. This includes Affirmative Action (now firmly entrenched in German political culture in the form of quotas for positions to be filled by women, and increasingly also "other minorities") and, the latest I'm aware of, "safe spaces", which remains confined to fringes of the academic milieu.

 

It's something our right-wingers complain about as another facet of American cultural imperialism, aimed at destroying European culture and particularly exploiting German guilt about WW II etc. Of course as I've noted before, those right-wingers now get to strike back by exporting their traditional European identity politics etc. to the US, and anyway there are also specific German additions to Political Correctness (always refered to with the English term) like gender-neutral language; something English speakers luckily don't have to contend with to the same extent since their language is largely gender-neutral in itself. Books could be filled with the academic debate on how to correctly spell and pronounce unified male and female forms in a single word, whether with a capital I or asterisk in the middle; the only good thing is that fashions change so rapidly that official institutions usually can't keep up when it creeps into their public language.

 

That doesn't however mean that some thought shouldn't be applied on how to report things in mass publications with the corresponding large-scale impact; and as always, context matters. To stick to the example, I'm certainly going to be more considerate of the feelings of a black GI who actually served in his country's armed forces, and actually deployed to Germany to defend it if necessary, on how that country's media treat his kind than I'm of claims of who owes whom what based upon the random fact of the place one was born, and the history that entails. Then again, I'm for instance certainly a subscriber to the official position that Germany as a country bears a special responsibility for Israel.

 

Meanwhile, the suspect in the case at hand allegedly confessed the rape and murder of Susanna Feldmann (might as well use the full name now) to Kurdish police and is reported to be extradited by them, arriving in Frankfurt at 2000 local this evening. I'm under the impression this went over the short German-Kurdish link, and Iraqi national authorities didn't get to be involved.

[Marek Tucan]

Extradition in.. 1-2 days? Yeah sounds like theoretical process was not followed. Good. Now lock him up and throw away the keys.

[Markus Becker]

Throw away the ...? You are mistaking the Failing Republic of Germany for a country with a sane and functional legal system. Even "life" doesn't mean life any more, hasn't for a long time.

 

BTW, thanks to Kurdistan for the swift extradition. And my apologies for selling you out in Syria.

[seahawk]

If the extradition was not lawful the German court will have to release him and the case will have to be closed.

[Markus Becker]

 

 

Indeed? Can't he be deported back to Kurdistan and than extradited again? Edit: Germany and Iraq have no extradition agreement. If there are no rules for an extradition from Iraq, no rules can be violated?? /edit.

 

But if he is actually 20 years old he has a high chance of being prosecuted as a juvenile and will walk in no more than ten years anyway.

Edited June 10, 2018 by Markus Becker

[BansheeOne]

Interesting thought on the extradition. I'm sure if that's a thing, his defense will bring it up; however, while I can find lots of cases of people sueing against their extradition by Germany, with mixed success, I see no precedent for this. Conditions for extradition binding the prosecution of the receiving countries are being made all the time, like no capital punishment when countries like the US which have it seek it from Germany. However the only example of "unlawful extradition" I can think of is the German doctor who was accused of molesting and killing his 14-year-old French stepdaughter Kalinka Bamberski (there's another Jewish victim) in 1982. He was investigated by Germany authorities, who eventually abated proceedings for lack of evidence; however, he was sentenced in 1997 for a separate case of drugging and molesting a 16-year-old girl, and banned from practicing as a doctor (which he continued to do illegally, anyway).

 

Bamberski's biological father long sought prosecution of his daughter's death in France, but Germany refused extradition on grounds of double jeopardy. Finally real dad had stepdad kidnapped and brought to France in 2009, where he was sentenced in 2011, upheld the following year. Germany protested, obviously, but French courts held that double jeopardy per the European Convention on Human Rights applies only to proceedings in the same country. Bamberski sr. was also sentenced to one year suspended in France for ordering the kidnapping in 2014, just ahead of the statute of limitation running out; Germany had unsuccessfully sought his extradition. The case has been turned into a movie.

 

Now Germany is of course known to be a stickler to rules others might ignore for their convenience, but if French courts can convict somebody who was simply beaten over the head and dropped in their jurisdiction bundled up for processing by a private party, I tend to believe that in European systems it doesn't matter how a suspect wound up in the dock. There is the basic tenet that "right must not yield to wrong" in German law, which has for example been applied to find cases of self-defense legitimate which otherwise would have fulfilled murder criteria like an unsuspecting victim. The Constitutional Court also found in 2009 that even evidence from a police search subsequently judged to have been illegal can be used in court, which to my understanding would get thrown out immediately in the Anglo-American system - though there is in fact such a thing as inadmissible evidence in written and unwritten German law, particularly testimony gained by illegal interrogation methods.

 

See the 2002 Jakob von Metzler kidnapping where the Frankfurt vice police commissioner had the suspect who picked up the ransom threatened with torture - though only in a "ticking clock" scenario to find the kid which subsequently turned out to have been killed early on already, and he duely indicted himself for the transgression afterwards.The kidnapper was eventually sentenced mostly based upon his statements during the trial, which was upheld by the Constitutional Court and European Court of Human Rights - though the latter found Germany had violated the ECHR by only giving the involved police officers minor fines, and dragging its feet in proceedings after the defendant's public responsibility complaint.

 

Long story short, I don't think the circumstances of extradition in the present case will hinder legal prosecution, though the question might occupy higher instances subsequently. Of more immediate interest seems the reported claim by the suspect that he and the victim had popped pills and drunk alcohol before the rape occurred, and he killed her when she threatened to call police; somewhat at odds with the also-reported claim from the family that he had no recollection of the night at all due to being punch-drunk. Of course they also said they didn't even know he was a suspect before they arrived in Iraq, which is slightly unbelievable given the apparent haste with which they left.

 

Though there might be a somewhat innocent explanation to the "false name" on their tickets; it might in fact have been the proper name, differing from the one in their German documents because somehow the father's given name ended up as the family name when they entered Germany - either intentionally in the farspread practice of asylum seekers using multiple identities, or because German authorities got it wrong (and of course for any public authority, there is no "wrong" in what has once been entered in their records).