Davin Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 There is a laser weapon on gunner's site.The laser weapon can hurt human eyes and electro-optical system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Tan Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 The Type 99 is an amphibious tank that is replacing the venerable Type 63 amphib tank(PT-76 a-like with a 85mm gun turret). This is a very nice picture of the ZTZ-98 Gai...or Type 98 Improved. The main difference appears to be the ERA suite (which is quite comporehensive since it extends all along the turret sides. The laser dazzler is located on the right hand side, just behind the gunner's hatch. I have no idea what targeting arrangement it uses. Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xonitex Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 This photograph is incredible. Where did you find it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitflegal Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 There's a thread of them here; http://bbs.china.com/military/html/board_5...29/3111268.html Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weaver Posted December 13, 2004 Share Posted December 13, 2004 Close up of the laser system: from www.sinodefence.com The Type 98 features an JD-3 integrated laser rangefinder/warning/self-defence device. Unlike contemporary Russian active tank self-defense systems like Drozd, Drozd-2, and Arena, which launch projectiles to disable or "shoot-down" incoming anti-tank missiles and projectiles, the Chinese system apparently uses a high-powered laser to directly attack the enemy weapon's optics and gunner. The system includes what appears to be a laser warning receiver (LWR - the dome-shaped device on the turret roof behind the commander's position), that warns the crew that their tank is being illuminated by an enemy range-finding or weapon-guidance laser. The turret of the tank can then be traversed to face the direction of the enemy threat, and the laser self-defence weapon (LSDW - the box-shaped device on the turret roof behind the gunner's position), can be employed against the source of the enemy laser. The procedure of the laser weapon would first use a low-powered beam to locate the optics of the enemy weapon. Once the enemy weapon was located, the power level of the laser would be immediately and dramatically increased. Such an attack would disable the guidance optics of the enemy weapon and/or damage the eyesight of the enemy gunner. The available photos of the Type 98 have also confirmed that the laser weapon can be elevated to a higher angle than the tank's main gun, indicating that the engagement of attack helicopters is possible. In addition, the laser device could also be used for communications between friend tanks. Picture and text from here: http://www.sinodefence.com/army/tank/type98.asp Sinodefence is a very interesting site. Not that I imagine the Chinese (or a number of others) will take much notice of it, but isn't there an international treaty banning the use of blinding lasers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swerve Posted December 14, 2004 Share Posted December 14, 2004 Originally posted by Weaver:Not that I imagine the Chinese (or a number of others) will take much notice of it, but isn't there an international treaty banning the use of blinding lasers? I think there is. But there's no treaty banning lasers designed to kill people or damage artificial sensors, & incidental blinding is just bad luck, as long as it isn't what the laser is designed for. And who says China has signed the treaty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davin Posted December 17, 2004 Author Share Posted December 17, 2004 Originally posted by Simon Tan:The Type 99 is an amphibious tank that is replacing the venerable Type 63 amphib tank(PT-76 a-like with a 85mm gun turret). This is a very nice picture of the ZTZ-98 Gai...or Type 98 Improved. The main difference appears to be the ERA suite (which is quite comporehensive since it extends all along the turret sides. The laser dazzler is located on the right hand side, just behind the gunner's hatch. I have no idea what targeting arrangement it uses. Simon In China this tank called ZTZ-98 Gai(means "improve" in Chinese),and it also called ZTZ-99.See here: http://www.wpeu.net/news/dispArticle.Asp?ID=131 The new amphibious tank in China is Type 63A,not type 99.Type 63A use a new welded turret to replace original cast turret. http://military.china.com/zh_cn/bbs/110184...7/11903583.html <font size=1>[Edited by Davin (17 Dec 2004).] <font size=1>[Edited by Davin (17 Dec 2004).] [Edited by Davin (17 Dec 2004).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 No obvious muzzle reference system. What do they use instead? David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davin Posted December 18, 2004 Author Share Posted December 18, 2004 Originally posted by DB:No obvious muzzle reference system. What do they use instead? David It doesn't has muzzle reference system.Its main gun was fitted with light alloy thermal sleeve to prevent main gun curved. [Edited by Davin (18 Dec 2004).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legion 46 Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Beautiful pic, thanks for the links Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Originally posted by Davin: It doesn't has muzzle reference system.Its main gun was fitted with light alloy thermal sleeve to prevent main gun curved. <font size=1>[Edited by Davin (18 Dec 2004).] All guns have droop, whether or not fitted with a thermal sleeve, caused by gravity. Moreover, not even the thermal sleeve can eliminate thermal bending, it can merely reduce the effects of uneven heating and cooling. You might also notice that all modern western tanks have both an MRS system and a thermal sleeve/shroud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 Originally posted by Davin: It doesn't has muzzle reference system.Its main gun was fitted with light alloy thermal sleeve to prevent main gun curved. <font size=1>[Edited by Davin (18 Dec 2004).] Maybe it's an acknowledgement that the expected combat life of a tank is short enough that it doesn't really matter? Or maybe if there is an intention to use gun-launched ATGM for long range engagements, then they might be right. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jakec Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 Yikes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Chin Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 The Chinese on the picture says: "Our army conducts psychological excercizes for crushing," refering to familiarization with running enemies over. That flat, helmeted and uniformed thingy in front of the tank should be a mock-up crunchie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harkonnen Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 (edited) That flat, helmeted and uniformed thingy in front of the tank should be a mock-up crunchie.313418[/snapback] Standart training (includes throwing grenades into tank and firinf at it at very close range). To make infantry not afraid tanks in close combat. Edited April 23, 2006 by Harkonnen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB Posted April 23, 2006 Share Posted April 23, 2006 The Chinese on the picture says: "Our army conducts psychological excercizes for crushing," refering to familiarization with running enemies over. That flat, helmeted and uniformed thingy in front of the tank should be a mock-up crunchie.313418[/snapback]No repeats of the Tiananmen Square PR disaster, then. Are you sure that the green-clad "dummy" lying down isn't a "volunteer" organ donor?It would appear to be missing the obligatory shopping bags. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davin Posted April 24, 2006 Author Share Posted April 24, 2006 Standart training (includes throwing grenades into tank and firinf at it at very close range). To make infantry not afraid tanks in close combat. [http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/8313/fotoshow9st.th.jpg313421[/snapback]So,Both Russian and Chinese have such psychological training for infantry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xinhui Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 The German have the same training route. http://www.anyboard.net/gov/mil/anyboard/u...bad26_64701.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitin Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 All guns have droop, whether or not fitted with a thermal sleeve, caused by gravity. Moreover, not even the thermal sleeve can eliminate thermal bending, it can merely reduce the effects of uneven heating and cooling. You might also notice that all modern western tanks have both an MRS system and a thermal sleeve/shroud.120101[/snapback] How important would you state a MRS to be, in terms of main gun accuracy & range? Can a non MRS equipped tank achieve equivalent results by virtue of good stabilization and FCS alone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JamesG123 Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 Driver. Tracks. Troops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitin Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 (edited) The German have the same training route. http://www.anyboard.net/gov/mil/anyboard/u...bad26_64701.jpg313579[/snapback] That is insanely scary. For it requires you to have complete and utter faith in that tank crew.Cruuuuunnnnchhhhhhh! Edited April 24, 2006 by nitin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harkonnen Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 The German have the same training route. And the US, at least thay had, maybr now not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davin Posted April 24, 2006 Author Share Posted April 24, 2006 The German have the same training route. http://www.anyboard.net/gov/mil/anyboard/u...bad26_64701.jpg313579[/snapback]Look the right side of the Leo-2A4 turret.There is a extra box on its right side frontal turret.What is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabe Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 I've seen the French do it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabe Posted April 24, 2006 Share Posted April 24, 2006 The German have the same training route. http://www.anyboard.net/gov/mil/anyboard/u...bad26_64701.jpg313579[/snapback] I think those are Norwegians, judging by their camo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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