Ivanhoe Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Apparently there are people out there claiming that the landings on Arrakis were faked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ivanhoe Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 Dunno how accurate, but there is a common belief here in 'Murrica that the original German folk tales and fairy tales are kinda nightmarish, and had to be nice-ified for the American audience. If true, makes me wonder if 15-18C Germans were eating the wrong kind of mushrooms in their pork stew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Soren Ras Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 7 hours ago, Ivanhoe said: Dunno how accurate, but there is a common belief here in 'Murrica that the original German folk tales and fairy tales are kinda nightmarish, and had to be nice-ified for the American audience. If true, makes me wonder if 15-18C Germans were eating the wrong kind of mushrooms in their pork stew. European folk tales were intended as moralizing parables and part of that is show how bad behavior leads to bad ends, and people who trespass against the dominant morality get punished for it. I believe in the original Red Riding Hood, the girl is simply eaten by the wolf (don't talk to strangers, girls!). The idea that children were innocents that needed to be sheltered from the gruesome reality was not really much of a thing. Children already knew there were monsters. The fairy tales just explain how to survive and beat them (by listening to your parents). And the reason we are calling these German is probably mainly due to the German brothers Grimm having been the most systematic collectors of European folklore and fairy tales from all over the continent, and hence their German language collections were the basis for subsequent translations and (Disney versions) and are the versions most known today. It also helped that the brothers changed names of Latin and French characters in tales they came across and germanicized them for better appeal to their German audience. And then there is Heinrich Hoffmann, who took gruesome moralizing to the next level with Der Struwwelpeter, and generated many nightmares as a result. Certainly, Disney versions of the European folk tales and fairy stories are nearly always heavily sanitized. You could add the fairy tales of Hans Christian Andersen to the pile. The Little Mermaid does not get her prince. He marries another and she is given a dagger with which to kill him as the only way she can prevent her own death. She sneaks into the royal bedchamber where the prince is sleeping with his bride, but cannot go through with the murder, so she returns to the sea and dies. However, she is turned into an air spirit and will get a chance to obtain an immortal soul if she performs enough good deeds over the following three hundred years (like creating soothing winds to cool human brows in the tropics). And to tie it into the moralizing tradition, she is told that if she enters a human house and finds a good and dutiful child she can get one day knocked off her 300 year sentence, but if she finds a naughty child, her sentence will be increased by a day. So parents can admonish their children to stay good, since otherwise the poor mermaid will have to wait even longer before she can get her soul. And The Little Match Girl freezes to death at the end. But all is good because she goes to heaven to be reunited with her beloved grandmother in the warmth of God's grace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssnake Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Hans Christian Andersen was a poet writing contemporary fiction disguised as fairy tales, but other than taking the motives, they aren't in structure and content. Some passages of The Snow Queen, for example, can actually be read as a parable about a secret, forbidden love. Disney's "Frozen" has, well, very, very little to do with that. The Grimm Brothers' original collection is not something I would read as bedtime stories to my grandkids. Heck, even sixty years ago children were usually given heavily edited versions. So, there is a grain of truth to the meme, but at the same time it's a meme first and foremost that's being passed on because it's funny and/or outrageous - never let the truth get in the way of a good story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 9 hours ago, Ivanhoe said: Dunno how accurate, but there is a common belief here in 'Murrica that the original German folk tales and fairy tales are kinda nightmarish, and had to be nice-ified for the American audience. If true, makes me wonder if 15-18C Germans were eating the wrong kind of mushrooms in their pork stew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssnake Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Well, Max and Moritz get pushed into a mill in the end, and their remains are fed to geese, so it ends well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DB Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 22 hours ago, Ivanhoe said: Dunno how accurate, but there is a common belief here in 'Murrica that the original German folk tales and fairy tales are kinda nightmarish, and had to be nice-ified for the American audience. If true, makes me wonder if 15-18C Germans were eating the wrong kind of mushrooms in their pork stew. Definitely toned down. Try "The Red Shoes" as an example - if you can't stop dancing and you can't take off the shoes, the only solution is amputation. And so on. They're cautionary tales - imagine the printed version of those very Grimm(*) British Public Information films about kids getting pasted in railway tunnels. (*) yes, I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Wobbly Head Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 22 hours ago, Ivanhoe said: Am I the only one wondering what the other meat they are eating in Papau New Guinea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssnake Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 Probably that "Strange Meat" that you occasionally find in the Fallout Games. Tasty and nutricious, though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soren Ras Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 I know this is the jokes thread, but internet charts using BS data assembled on the spot by an intern on a deadline is a pet peeve of mine. Don't know about the rest of the world, but I can say with some confidence that the results for Denmark are incorrect (a friend of mine happens to track production and sale of food groups for a living). The order for Denmark would be pork, beef, chicken, fish, mutton, other (mainly venison), in that order. Given how relatively easy it would be to get that kind of data for Denmark, and how big a task it would be to do so for every single country, we can safely assume that most of the data has probably been made up on the spot, possibly using a few Wikipedia articles and Buzzfeed listicles for inspiration ("10 countries with weird eating habits - number 8 will astonish you!"). Apologies for the interruption. We now return you to the humor (or humour)-section of the Grate Sight. As you were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 That could explain the French as ictivores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PCallahan Posted July 10 Share Posted July 10 31 minutes ago, Ivanhoe said: That is EXACTLY how I felt when I got my Henry .45-70... such a small rifle, such a large round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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