Happy Columbus Day

[Ivanhoe]

... which is actually October 12th, celebrated today in the US. 

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Columbus-Day

 

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However, the direct impetus for declaring the anniversary of Columbus’s arrival a national holiday was the mass lynching of 11 Italian Americans in New Orleans in 1891. One of the largest lynchings in U.S. history, it occurred during a time of widespread anti-immigrant and anti-Italian sentiment in the country and one year after the murder of New Orleans’ police chief, which was blamed on the city’s Italian population. In all, 19 Italians were to be tried for the murder, the weak evidence for which was exposed when 6 of the accused were acquitted and 3 were granted mistrials. Before the rest of the accused could be tried, a mob stormed the city’s prison and shot to death 11 Italians (a few of whom were not among the accused). The event threatened diplomatic relations between Italy and the United States, and, to appease the Italian government, U.S. Pres. Benjamin Harrison proclaimed the 400th anniversary of Columbus’s arrival a national holiday in 1892, intending it to be a one-time celebration.

Not made permanent until 1943, by FDR;

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/documents/proclamation-2595-columbus-day-1943

Sadly, the American left continues to regurgitate Klan slanders;

https://www.kofc.org/en/news-room/columbia/2017/september/christopher-columbus-fake-history.html

 

 

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2025/10/11/columbus_day_celebrates_our_civilization_153396.html

 

[sunday]

[R011]

I can see why the indigenous peoples of the Americas would not want to celebrate the arrival of their European conquerors.  For most, it didn't turn out very well.

Of course, it's impossible to know if things would have been better had Europeans limited themselves to peaceful trade and no conquest or mass immigration.

[Tim the Tank Nut]

Sunday wins today's internet.

Given the level of barbarity of the indigenous peoples they would have continued to kill, enslave, and sacrifice at a rate that would make a bloodthirsty colonizer sick if the Europeans had never come to America.

[rmgill]

1 hour ago, R011 said:

I can see why the indigenous peoples of the Americas would not want to celebrate the arrival of their European conquerors.  For most, it didn't turn out very well.

Sure, power, medicine, steel, communications, literature...what's not to love. 

1 hour ago, R011 said:

Of course, it's impossible to know if things would have been better had Europeans limited themselves to peaceful trade and no conquest or mass immigration.

Many tried that. the problem with tribal societies is that they raid on their neighbors (Scots did this as well). That's generally the rule. It tends to breed distrust. The disconnected nature of the Indian Nations also lent themselves to not really clamping down on the raiders which lended a lot of guilt by association. 

It did not help their cause when some hitched their war policies to France's and then lost, badly. 

I'm of a conflcited mind. Those nations that were organized and traded fairly and honored treaties should not have been done to what was done. The Cherokee for example. Those that attacked or were constant thorns were a problem. 

[sunday]

1 hour ago, Tim the Tank Nut said:

Sunday wins today's internet.

Thanks, but not the whole Internet.

Knew of that meme, and saw a post with it, on X by Jack Posobiec. I stole it without any shame whatsoever.

[Yama]

1 hour ago, Tim the Tank Nut said:

Given the level of barbarity of the indigenous peoples they would have continued to kill, enslave, and sacrifice at a rate that would make a bloodthirsty colonizer sick if the Europeans had never come to America.

First acts of Columbus' crew upon arriving to New World were robbery, kidnapping and rape, in that order. Very civilized.

 

[sunday]

5 minutes ago, Yama said:

First acts of Columbus' crew upon arriving to New World were robbery, kidnapping and rape, in that order. Very civilized.

Not at all, but you did not check before posting, as you do too often.

[Rick]

4 minutes ago, Yama said:

First acts of Columbus' crew upon arriving to New World were robbery, kidnapping and rape, in that order. Very civilized.

 

Started with Cain vs Abel. Didn't really have a hope of improvement until about 33 A.D.

[Rick]

My idea is to get rid of today's holiday, Columbus Day and every other federal holiday named for a person. I would replace this with a "Favorite American Day" in the middle to end of March. The reason being is  that there are no federal holidays between New Year's Day and Memorial Day, a span of almost 5 months and March is the half-way mark between Jan. 01 and the end of May.

[Murph]

Same, Happy Columbus Day, not some made up fake virtue signaling libturd wet dream day.  

[sunday]

12 minutes ago, Rick said:

My idea is to get rid of today's holiday, Columbus Day and every other federal holiday named for a person. I would replace this with a "Favorite American Day" in the middle to end of March. The reason being is  that there are no federal holidays between New Year's Day and Memorial Day, a span of almost 5 months and March is the half-way mark between Jan. 01 and the end of May.

You could name it "Day of Spain", for instance.

[Rick]

3 minutes ago, sunday said:

You could name it "Day of Spain", for instance.

[Tim the Tank Nut]

replying to Yama above:

Have you ever read about what the indigenous population of the Americas did to each other and even their own peoples?  At least the European colonists drew the line at consuming their opponents and killing their own children to make crops grow.  These were not peaceful natives.  They were barbaric savages that killed humans as if they were vermin.  Their societies were warped beyond measure and death was central to all of it.

I am reminded of the phrase "What have the Romans ever done for us?".

[Mr King]

[R011]

2 hours ago, Tim the Tank Nut said:

replying to Yama above:

Have you ever read about what the indigenous population of the Americas did to each other and even their own peoples?  At least the European colonists drew the line at consuming their opponents and killing their own children to make crops grow.  These were not peaceful natives.  They were barbaric savages that killed humans as if they were vermin.  Their societies were warped beyond measure and death was central to all of it.

I am reminded of the phrase "What have the Romans ever done for us?".

Some were.  Most were no worse (and no better) than Europeans at that time.  I suspect  the worst of them wouldn't have lasted.  The Aztecs were brought down mostly by a Native Mexican coalition that included a very small and poorly supplied Spanish contingent.

[Stargrunt6]

Anyway...

 

 

[Ivanhoe]

Not surprising that folks in the FFZ are parroting Klan talking points;

https://cityclerk.lacity.org/onlinedocs/2015/15-1343_misc_b_6-14-2017.pdf

https://thenewneo.com/2025/10/13/happy-un-woke-columbus-day/

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I also could not help but note that most of the tales of the awfulness of Columbus and the Spaniards came from one person, the aforementioned Bartolome de las Casas. Reading some excerpts from his work, I felt the buzz of possible propaganda.

 

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And it also occurred to me that de las Casas, as a one-time supporter of slavery in the Americas, may have been writing to try to frantically expiate his own feelings of guilt. So I independently came to the conclusion that de las Casas might have been the Howard Zinn of his day, only with a different philosophy and different motives. And, since de las Casas appears to be practically the only chronicler of what happened between the Spaniards (plus the Italian Columbus) and the natives—except the Spanish themselves—I found it impossible to tell who was telling the truth and who either lying or exaggerating.

https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/civil-rights/347955-in-attacking-columbus-antifa-protesters-try-to-finish-what/
 

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It began as a tool of Anglo supremacy over its Iberian foes during the competition for territory on this continent, but as Powell notes, it was “extended to form part of a larger picture of English moral, racial and religious superiority over the Spaniard” — and we might well add, those who sailed for Spain.

This slander was picked up again by the American propagandists during the Spanish-American War and echoes of it continue in the dim and prejudiced view some hold of Hispanics generally to this day.

 

 

[sunday]

 

Bartolomé de las Casas was worse than Jane Fonda, but he was given official posts...

[Ivanhoe]

[Mr King]

I don't have any particular animosity to the natives of the past, but I can't stand noble savage bs. If people want to tear down Columbus and his ilk for their behavior, then we get to have an honest discussion about the horrors the natives inflicted on their own kind. If their places had been reversed the natives would have done the same as Columbus and those that followed him. 

Edited October 14 by Mr King

[Burncycle360]

Well, he did bring diversity to the continent 

[R011]

1 hour ago, Ivanhoe said:

Contact with the wider world would have changed the culture of indigenous people even if European didn't act like just about all people did back then, including Native People.

And if Europeans didn't subjugate the Americas, what would keep Asian powers from doing so?  I don't think being conquered by China would be an improvement.

 

[rmgill]

5 hours ago, R011 said:

Some were.  Most were no worse (and no better) than Europeans at that time.  I suspect  the worst of them wouldn't have lasted.  The Aztecs were brought down mostly by a Native Mexican coalition that included a very small and poorly supplied Spanish contingent.

Considering they had steel and the aztecs had glass weapons, they overmatched the aztecs by far. 
 

How well does a wood sword with jade or steel obsidian blades set in it do against a breastplate? Or a morion? Not well. 
 

How does a steel sword do against wood and feathers as armor, quite well. 

[DKTanker]

Bringing two disparate events together.