Religious Violence in Western Nations

[Ivanhoe]

[Ivanhoe]

[urbanoid]

1 hour ago, Ivanhoe said:

There is probably some sort of factor involving ethnogenetic distance from Arabs, though there are exceptions (Moros in the PI, for example). 

Afghans and Pakis are quite distant too, so that's not it either. 

[Roman Alymov]

4 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

There is probably some sort of factor involving ethnogenetic distance from Arabs, though there are exceptions (Moros in the PI, for example). 

Boston bombers were Chechens ( Vainakh Nakh peoples - Wikipedia ), as distant from Arabs as, say, Russians. Still, it was not an obstacle. The fact of belonging to 1st/2nd generation of migrants, when it is easy to blame eny problems in life on "evil Christians/Jews creating glass sealing" is the predominant factor (see Tsarnaev-senior converting to Jihad after his dreams to become US Olympic team member failed) 

[urbanoid]

1 minute ago, Roman Alymov said:

Boston bombers were Chechens ( Vainakh Nakh peoples - Wikipedia ), as distant from Arabs as, say, Russians. Still, it was not an obstacle. The fact of belonging to 1st/2nd generation of migrants, when it is easy to blame eny problems in life on "evil Christians/Jews creating glass sealing" is the predominant factor (see Tsarnaev-senior converting to Jihad after his dreams to become US Olympic team member failed) 

There are also converts, often more radical than 'muslim-born radicals' even. 

[Roman Alymov]

6 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

There are also converts, often more radical than 'muslim-born radicals' even. 

Proselytism - Wikipedia

[urbanoid]

18 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

Proselytism - Wikipedia

One can convert to the non-proselytizing/non-missionary religion and still be more radical than those born into it. 

E.g. an employee of mine once had a boyfriend who converted to Judaism (a definitely non-missionary religion), she laughs how 'actual Jews' were telling her to 'do something about this weirdo', because they were sick of his antics.

[Stargrunt6]

 

[rmgill]

13 hours ago, Yama said:

That's perfectly understandable, you don't want to be seen swinging a gun around in an active shooter situation.

The bad guys were still shooting. 

Edited December 15, 2025 by rmgill

[Yama]

6 hours ago, rmgill said:

The bad guys were still shooting. 

Yes, that's the point. When police arrives, they can't tell apart 'Samaritans' from shooters. And what he was going to do with the gun anyway, if he didn't know how to shoot, as his relative claimed? He seems to handle it in awkward way, suggesting he has little to no firearms experience. The gun might have even been empty at the time he grabbed it. Seems like a pump-action shotgun?

 

[Olof Larsson]

23 minutes ago, Yama said:

Yes, that's the point. When police arrives, they can't tell apart 'Samaritans' from shooters. And what he was going to do with the gun anyway, if he didn't know how to shoot, as his relative claimed? He seems to handle it in awkward way, suggesting he has little to no firearms experience. The gun might have even been empty at the time he grabbed it. Seems like a pump-action shotgun?

 

As I understand it, he had been a police in Syria. That said tube-fed shotguns tends to have kind of weird MMI if you are used to AK's and handguns. Or wierd if you are used to another tube-fed shotgun.

[rmgill]

So use it as a club. Beat him over the head with it. 

[Yama]

2 hours ago, Olof Larsson said:

As I understand it, he had been a police in Syria. 

Ah, that would explain why he felt he had to take an active role. One news-piece just claimed that his brother had said that he didn't know anything about shooting guns.

Seems the guy he tackled was father of the pair. Son was at the bridge, not very far off at the time, and I presume it was him who subsequently wounded him. 

Son had been on some kind of 'watchlist'. Maybe security agencies did not see his father a threat, 50+ year olds are not common in mass killings or terrorist acts (although not unheard of).

 

[DKTanker]

14 hours ago, rmgill said:

The bad guys were still shooting. 

While the good guys couldn't figure out what to do.

[Ivanhoe]

I am still boggled that no additional LEOs came from the police station.

 

 

[Ivanhoe]

So the latest buzz is that Ahmad al Ahmad is a Lebanese Maronite. 

If he's smart, he'll move the hell out of Sydney when he recovers. 

 

[urbanoid]

1 hour ago, Ivanhoe said:

So the latest buzz is that Ahmad al Ahmad is a Lebanese Maronite. 

If he's smart, he'll move the hell out of Sydney when he recovers. 

Preferably not to Lebanon though

[Stuart Galbraith]

He's Australian, he'll stay where he is. Its what Australians do you know.

[rmgill]

And what Pakistani Australians do? 

[urbanoid]

5 minutes ago, rmgill said:

And what Pakistani Australians do? 

Why, they do the meme, of course.

Also the 'Mossad false flag something something', along with the Western Retard Right™.

[Stuart Galbraith]

18 minutes ago, rmgill said:

And what Pakistani Australians do? 

No, one Pakistani. One Australian. They might not have identified with where they lived, but one of them was assuredly born there.

https://thejewishindependent.com.au/terror-attack-australia-investigation

 Something of a problem to call for them all to be sent back, since it would mean Ahmed al-Ahmed would have to go too.

[Ivanhoe]

5 hours ago, urbanoid said:

Preferably not to Lebanon though

That would be suicidal for any Lebanese non-Muslim refugees.

 

[Ivanhoe]

10 minute video of the Bondi Beach shooting. You can see the 3rd long gun. Ironically, police siren in the distance, but at no point did any LEOs enter the frame. 

 

For citizens of nations that allow civilians to own and carry handguns, this is an argument for doing some basic range work at 25-50 meters. And for we presbyopeans, a full-sized handgun with a dot sight might come in handy. 

Of course, where I live about 5% of the trucks and SUVs have a "truck gun" tucked away. Based on convos with my students at a previous job*, Millennials and Zoomers often have an AR-15 derivative as a truck gun. 

* There was a security incident (much ado about nothing, as usual) and some of my boys wanted to go out to the parking lot to ruck up. I'm like "No, lets let the PD handle it." 

[Stargrunt6]

Can't knock the gumption tho.

Unlike some LEOs in certain jurisdictions...

[DKTanker]

So who shot the heroic good Samaritan?  Why, the same people who refused to engage the actual terroristic shooters.  The local LEOs.  Submit to Allah, they have.  Good on ya, mate.  Inshallah.