Israel openly attacking Iran topic

[Mr King]

[rmgill]

Pizza and gay bar OSINT metrics for  pentagon heightened activity… sheesh. 

What would X-Files say for such metrics?

[rmgill]

 

[sunday]

I wonder if the level of danger posed by Iran has any relation with the state of the judicial proceedings against Bini.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Its got everything to do with it.

Iran apparently has been on the cusp of developing an atomic bomb in 6 months, for at least the last 10 years. I dont see anything that makes me think its a little more pressing this time. It may be, but somehow I doubt it needed to be done before this Sunday.

Unless of course you were scared of a binding deal that denied you a victory lap.

[rmgill]

11 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Its got everything to do with it.

Iran apparently has been on the cusp of developing an atomic bomb in 6 months, for at least the last 10 years. I dont see anything that makes me think its a little more pressing this time. It may be, but somehow I doubt it needed to be done before this Sunday.

Unless of course you were scared of a binding deal that denied you a victory lap.

Well, there’s also the small issue of support for Hamas and October 7. 
 

I know October 7 isn’t as nearly dramatic as the novachik incident of course. 

[Stuart Galbraith]

29 minutes ago, rmgill said:

Well, there’s also the small issue of support for Hamas and October 7. 
 

I know October 7 isn’t as nearly dramatic as the novachik incident of course. 

I wonder how you would react where you live, and see if you are so perfectly sanquine about 14000 of your fellow Americans being put at risk of dying like a fish on a gaff. 

And if you could demonstrate a direct link between Iran and October 7th, Ill be facinated, because it will be something even Mossad has failed to do.

 

[Murph]

YESSSS!!!! Kill them all, wipe out the Mullahs, the Revolutionary Guard, and let the Iranians bring back the Shah!  GO TEAM ISRAEL!

[rmgill]

6 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

I wonder how you would react where you live, and see if you are so perfectly sanquine about 14000 of your fellow Americans being put at risk of dying like a fish on a gaff. 

Welcome to the cold war. Where have you been? 

Hiding under a rock? 
 

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6 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

And if you could demonstrate a direct link between Iran and October 7th, Ill be facinated, because it will be something even Mossad has failed to do.

Its common and understood knowledge the Hamas is a proxy for iran. Funded and supplied. 
 

There is also that issue of the missile bombardment. 

[Stuart Galbraith]

24 minutes ago, Murph said:

YESSSS!!!! Kill them all, wipe out the Mullahs, the Revolutionary Guard, and let the Iranians bring back the Shah!  GO TEAM ISRAEL!

End the Endless wars?

[Tim the Tank Nut]

I just realized that on this Friday the 13th Valerie Jarrett is having very bad luck!

Edited June 13, 2025 by Tim the Tank Nut
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[Murph]

1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

End the Endless wars?

If you kill enough of them, then the problem goes away.

[sunday]

40 minutes ago, Murph said:

If you kill enough of them, then the problem goes away.

Nazis tried that.

[rmgill]

2 minutes ago, sunday said:

Nazis tried that.

Seen many nazi’s recently? 
 

Edited June 13, 2025 by rmgill

[sunday]

5 minutes ago, rmgill said:

Seen many nazi’s recently? 

(...)

More than I want to.

[Murph]

4 hours ago, sunday said:

Nazis tried that.

If you decapitate the snake, it is less likely to bite.  And if you remove enough of the leadership, the regime falls.  

[nitflegal]

Iran has been facilitating (training, supply, and financial support) terrorism and spent the last 20+ years opportunistically killing American military personnel directly and by training and supplying proxies who then killed them.  They did the same to Israeli, British, Iraqi, Afghan, etc soldiers as well.  They show no signs of changing their behavior.  Which means I'm totally fine with them being crushed and their leadership become room temperature whenever there was an opportunity.  If the US and Israel is correct that they are now uniquely vulnerable right now then this was the right call.  Nukes and connections to Oct 7th probably have some validity and are also irrelevant.  Iran has made a major part of their foreign policy killing American and Israeli soldiers so whenever the risk is low enough they need to be taken down.  To me, that's adequate justification.

 

I will add that the Democrats have demonstrated that when they get back in power they will generally give Iran a lot of leeway to build and flex their muscles and there are only so many times we can do that before Iran gets a nuke and destabilizes the region.  So from a practical sense if there is an opportunity to knock them down one has to take it before we give them one too many chances and they go nuclear.

Edited June 14, 2025 by nitflegal
Left off a thought

[Stargrunt6]

1 hour ago, nitflegal said:

Iran has been facilitating (training, supply, and financial support) terrorism and spent the last 20+ years opportunistically killing American military personnel directly and by training and supplying proxies who then killed them.  They did the same to Israeli, British, Iraqi, Afghan, etc soldiers as well.  They show no signs of changing their behavior.  Which means I'm totally fine with them being crushed and their leadership become room temperature whenever there was an opportunity.  If the US and Israel is correct that they are now uniquely vulnerable right now then this was the right call.  Nukes and connections to Oct 7th probably have some validity and are also irrelevant.  Iran has made a major part of their foreign policy killing American and Israeli soldiers so whenever the risk is low enough they need to be taken down.  To me, that's adequate justification.

 

I will add that the Democrats have demonstrated that when they get back in power they will generally give Iran a lot of leeway to build and flex their muscles and there are only so many times we can do that before Iran gets a nuke and destabilizes the region.  So from a practical sense if there is an opportunity to knock them down one has to take it before we give them one too many chances and they go nuclear.

/thread

Also... how horrible has Iran's internal security apparatus got to be, to the point that the Mossad damn near knows when and where the brass is ordering take-out? Even a garden variety dictatorship has too much surveillance for opps to move about freely. Remember when the retired US SOF guys tried to start a coup in Venezuela with a Temu-level amphibious insertion?

[Mr King]

[Ivanhoe]

[Stuart Galbraith]

13 hours ago, Murph said:

If you kill enough of them, then the problem goes away.

Yeah, I heard that one in 2001.

[Soren Ras]

It is still true, but of course the tricker question is how easy that is to do within a given time frame, and what are you prepared to do (i.e. how ruthless can you go) to achieve it.

For Iran, the only realistic way to make the problem go away is to get the Iranians to topple the regime themselves. Killing off enough of the top level people could hasten such an outcome, but while dictatorships can be brittle, it is a very risky proposition and the odds are probably unknowable. 

But with Hezbollah temporarily stunned, Hamas practically nullified for now, and the most Israel friendly occupant in the White House that we are likely to see in our lifetime, it may be that this is the best time for Israel to make the attempt. I would not dare to speculate on the chances, but I wish them godspeed.

 

 

[urbanoid]

AFTER FAKING MY DEATH AS A POPE AND A RUSSIAN MERCENARY LEADER I CAME TO ISRAEL TO SEEK NEW ADVENTURES

[Stuart Galbraith]

1 hour ago, Soren Ras said:

It is still true, but of course the tricker question is how easy that is to do within a given time frame, and what are you prepared to do (i.e. how ruthless can you go) to achieve it.

For Iran, the only realistic way to make the problem go away is to get the Iranians to topple the regime themselves. Killing off enough of the top level people could hasten such an outcome, but while dictatorships can be brittle, it is a very risky proposition and the odds are probably unknowable. 

But with Hezbollah temporarily stunned, Hamas practically nullified for now, and the most Israel friendly occupant in the White House that we are likely to see in our lifetime, it may be that this is the best time for Israel to make the attempt. I would not dare to speculate on the chances, but I wish them godspeed.

 

 

If the USAF went in the first night, they might have clobbered all their nuclear assets. Job done. But that didnt happen. Now what it is evolving into is seemingly an ambition for regime change. A noble ambition, but there is a very long way, and I cannot see Israel has nearly enough assets to make it happen. Maybe if they had done this 2 or 3 years ago in the middle of the riots, maybe it would work. But they have reestablished control, and I dont see Iranians coming out to overthrow the Government because Benjamin Netanyahu says he will bomb them if they dont.

My guess, we could be here a month from now, the bombs will still be falling and everyone will be saying 'Bibi, what the hell are you going to do now?' And there will be no answers, because just like Gazia, he doesnt think that far ahead.

[Ivanhoe]