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Just curious what's the general consensus of the grate site for what the future holds. Myself, I am not too optimistic. One of my biggest fears is the powers that be are going to intentionally provoke and incite violence to use as a justification to bring in sweeping reductions to civil liberties and further divide people so they can strengthen their grip over the general populations, all in the name of fighting "right wing domestic terror". And the majority will go along with it, just like the did with everything after 9/11. I believe on the other side of 20 years the establishment / deep state will openly wield power over the western populations that rivals China's grip on its domestic population.

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well you always were in a losing game

anything gained is lost

entropy and decay and death are always present

only suckers bet on the future thinking that there is something there that is for keeps

 

that said enjoy what time you do have in the present moment

and the simpler and easier your pleasures the easier your life tends to be

 

much as you might have done when you were a kid

running around and jumping around and playing and having a good time

did not really require much to get with it

what problems did you think you really have

 

then at some point you had to take all of this seriously

invest in the future

or prepare for tomorrow

that is where it gets started and where it begins

 

mike tyson said that he was never more free than when he did not have a cent to his name

and so that is realizing what all of this really is

the more you are invested in it or get involved in it then the more you have to lose

 

this is where i say the busy bodies and do gooders who think it is their right or their duty to somehow change the world

are piling more garbage on top of the pile

they often create the most problems and refuse to see otherwise

Posted

 10 minutes of speculative thinking.

Europe will be Lebanon in various zones specially central axis London,Paris, West Germany, Milano, possible that white people emigration would be noticeable  to eastern Europe and Iberian Peninsula. US will be a banana Republic also in several states. 

There are chances that next world war will be a world civil war.

If China continues to grow and be at tech forefront, democracy will not last in the West but probably that will happen after your 20 years window.

Wildcards: technology (robot, AI, medicine, energy).  USA-China war, an USA defeat can precipitate a big change including in US political system.

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Hard to say.

For Western Europe, I have no hope. It will be mostly Muslim by the time and dominated by leftist libtard dictatorships.

Eastern Europe could survive, if they form an alliance with their natural partner Russia.

China will the dominating power, as they have strength and unity.

The USA is difficult to say. If Trump does the Lord's work in his 4 years and it is made sure that no leftist will be president in the next 2 decades, it would be the last bastion of freedom. If the leftist take power, it will a big Venezuela.

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For a more positive outlook, try “The End of the World Is Only the Beginning” by Zeihan. It get’s pretty ugly for the next 15-20 years, but the US (augmented by close physical, commercial, and cultural connections to Mexico and western Canada, as well as special relationships with UK, Australia, and Japan) is one of the best positioned places to recover. Sweden-Poland, Turkey, and Uzbekistan are also potentials. China, sub-Saharan Africa, Russia and some other areas look to be even worse off.

 

i guess we’ll see, in time.

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4 hours ago, FALightFighter said:

For a more positive outlook, try “The End of the World Is Only the Beginning” by Zeihan. It get’s pretty ugly for the next 15-20 years, but the US (augmented by close physical, commercial, and cultural connections to Mexico and western Canada, as well as special relationships with UK, Australia, and Japan) is one of the best positioned places to recover. Sweden-Poland, Turkey, and Uzbekistan are also potentials. China, sub-Saharan Africa, Russia and some other areas look to be even worse off.

 

i guess we’ll see, in time.

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Cool. Thanks for the pointer.

 

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Sometimes the US looks strong. Sometimes it looks fragile. Same goes for China. And Europe. And Japan.

Different kinds of weak points in each. In the US, its social cohesion, Rhetorically very combative against each other. And too many milking style programs.  In China, it's sustaining economic performance when weak points emerge such as property or over capacity. Later the age demographics will hit them. For Europe, its EU sovereign cohesion. If each state drifts apart in its interest, then they become a bunch of little countries that won't be able to compete with emerging countries. In Japan, it's the demographics now. Following the lost decade, some satisfactory adjustments were made but the demographics is holding the country back. 

The Ukraine War was a real test on Russia's economy which looks quite resiliant. In the ME, Iran's network of militant organizations has been thrashed. So Israel's position is looking better. Although internationally in the Islam world, the West reputation took a big hit. That includes places like Indonesia, so not just the one's allowed in the UK to be pardoned, thus geopolitically consequential. I don't think the claims on Canada or Greenland helped US reputation. Even if just face value with a more balanced approach waiting underneath, in general it's too unnerving for many people. 

How it all plays out is difficult to see. There are too many unseeable details. 

Corporate based technology advances may continue to advance or stutter. In 20 years, average people may have a computer inside a finger ring. Or maybe it reachers maturity with the smartphone.

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in 1973 the future 20 years ahead looked pretty bleak.  You could pick dozens if not hundreds of years worse than now.  The trick is to make the most of the time that you have.  I am well aware that it is easier said than done.

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I figure there's a 5-10% chance the US goes into an economic depression within 10 years.

Massive public debt, massive regulatory burden, failing schools, lack of skilled labor.

If there is a sharp and frightening recession or other economic shock*, whoever is POTUS at the time is likely to bend the knee to the ballyhooed experts at Treasury and the Federal Reserve. The same geniuses that got us into this mess. If you look at the American economy 1929-1939, we could see an echo. Republican WH trying to manage the economy and failing, Dem sweep of the WH and both houses of Congress, authoritarian measures instituted, etc. This time around, the federal government will not only confiscate gold but also cryptocurrency. CBDC will be imposed along with social credit scores and all that neo-Maoism.

Such a scenario won't last, as the Dems found out in 1920.

I do not think we will have any kind of meaningful large-scale civil war, as the fault lines now are urban versus rural. The big blue cities can wall out the rednecks, but they cannot wall in the water, food, and fuel they need. In blue states, I can imagine a scenario where the big blue cities work with the state government to use eminent domain to seize nearby water, farmland, oil/gas wells, etc**. In flyover country, that isn't going to happen I don't believe.

 

* Pandemic seems most likely, at this point. The authoritarians keep trying to spin up H5N1, and now we have HMPV running amuck.

** We now have a whole generation of waitpersons and baristas with "Studies" degrees that would stand in line for days to apply for a job with the 21st century National Recovery Administration.

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Well, with AOC we've already got our Evita.

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6 hours ago, Tim the Tank Nut said:

in 1973 the future 20 years ahead looked pretty bleak.  You could pick dozens if not hundreds of years worse than now.  The trick is to make the most of the time that you have.  I am well aware that it is easier said than done.

 

 

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