2025 LA Fires

[sunday]

4 hours ago, rmgill said:

80% democrat. They voted for THIS. 

 

Considering the peculiarities of the California electoral system, I am not so sure that they voted for that.

[Ivanhoe]

https://thespun.com/trending/l-a-county-accidentally-sent-out-terrifying-warning-on-thursday
 

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However, on Thursday afternoon, millions of Los Angeles County residents received a terrifying warning.

"Emergency Alert. NEW: This is an emergency message from the Los Angeles County Fire Department. An EVACUATION WARNING has been issued in your area. Remain vigilant of any threats and be ready to evacuate. Gather loved ones, pets, and supplies. Continue to monitor local weather, news and the webpage alertla.org for more information," the alert reads.

 

This sort of booboo doesn't happen only in LA, of course. A couple of years ago, in my AO one of those emergency full-klaxon SMS messages went out at roughly 0300 local about some prisoner that escaped from a jail in a rather bucolic county several hours away.

Angelenos not at all gruntled;

https://thespun.com/trending/l-a-county-getting-crushed-for-accidental-mistake-on-thursday

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"I appreciate the alerts but we also might gotta squabble up after this false one," a man added.

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

12 hours ago, NickM said:

 

Just as an aside: brick has been considered a 'no go' for decades due to this being earthquake country. The wooden frames 'flex' enough to survive most small to medium sized quakes, for what THAT'S worth.

But Japan (and Turkey) has precisely the same problem.

[Ivanhoe]

[rmgill]

8 hours ago, sunday said:

Considering the peculiarities of the California electoral system, I am not so sure that they voted for that.

Did they not vote for their mayor? Did Gavin Newsome not survive a recall not too long ago? 
did Newsome braga bout removing Dam removal project in the US?
 

 California has had water problems for decades. There was a larger project plan that was developed but dropped over the past 20 ish yeas. 

VDH has talked about this quite a bit. 

https://californiaagtoday.com/hanson-no-investment-water-infrastructure/
 

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Victor Davis Hanson: Water Projects Not Close to What’s Needed

By Laurie Greene, Founding Editor

California Ag Today recently spoke with Victor Davis Hanson, a Martin and Illie Anderson Senior Fellow at Stanford University’s Hoover Institution. Hanson was the keynote speaker at the March 22 World Water Day event, facilitated by the California Water Alliance (CalWA) and held at Harris Ranch in Coalinga. He discussed the need for more water infrastructure.

Hanson explained, “When the federal Central Valley Project (CVP) was envisioned in the forties, fifties, and sixties, and the California State Water Project (SWP) in the sixties and seventies, there was a consensus that the state was growing, agriculture was important and two thirds of the people lived where one third of the rain and snow was. To fix the state’s water needs, they had to transfer water. We built the aqueducts. They were brilliantly engineered and we did not have a water problem.”

“The entire model changed in the 1980s,” Hanson said. “A decade I have picked because the New Melones Dam was [filled in] 1983. New Melones was the last major reservoir that was almost not built. Two or three issues happened. One, the state’s population grew rapidly, up to 30 million, and now 40 million people, so it became more crucial to have water. However, more and more water was diverted from agriculture for municipal usage. Then, for a variety of complex reasons, the demography changed. We had a lot of immigration into California; one out of every four Californians was not born in the United States. Also, 4 million people over 20 years of age who were conservative left the state, so we went from a red to a blue state model. Our population went from 25 million to 40 million.”

“Not only did we not invest in infrastructure, such as general roads, freeways, and airports,” Hanson said, “but specifically in the California water project. This third and final phase of water infrastructure would have given us, depending on how many of the reservoirs such as Sites, Temperance Flat or Shasta Dam raising would be constructed … enough water. If we did not have to talk about it. It would have been fine.”

 

More on the subject at the Blade of Perseus. 

https://victorhanson.com/water-waste-and-losing-face/

 

And more from Liberty Pen.
VDH on the subject of the demise of California...
 

Edited January 10 by rmgill

[rmgill]

1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

But Japan (and Turkey) has precisely the same problem.

They don't have the same wild fire problems as far as I know. And they routinely use clay tiles for roofs. 

[Tim the Tank Nut]

at the end of a Thor movie some dude made of stone is looking at the Planet talking that it doesn't look so bad from here we can rebuild it...

that's what Ivanhoe's smoke picture made me think of.  Clearly I have issues...

[JWB]

13 hours ago, rmgill said:

They've not been keeping the resovoirs filled. So...no, no water for hoses in some areas. Completely dry hydrants. 

They are not allowed. Courts have blocked water transfers from  NoCal to SoCal to protect the Delta Smelt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_smelt

[rmgill]

31 minutes ago, JWB said:

They are not allowed. Courts have blocked water transfers from  NoCal to SoCal to protect the Delta Smelt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delta_smelt

Which is based on California laws which people voted for. 

[rmgill]

19 hours ago, R011 said:

That clip was obviously heavily edited.  That always makes me suspicious that context has been deliberately removed to distort what was said.

the music is consistent. Many things like that are heavily edited. But the statements are clear. 

Are her two statements themselves edited to make them distorted? 

 

[Ssnake]

4 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

But Japan (and Turkey) has precisely the same problem.

Yeah, and in Turkey they die with alarming regularity in their brick houses after an earthquake. In Japan, old buildings are literally worthless as new building code permits keeping the old houses only if unmodified, otherwise you basically have to build new and from ground up.

 

[rmgill]

Any old Japanese houses that have not fallen down or been set ablaze PROBABLY were built to what ever necessary degree for earthquake resistance. Especially the traditional residential homes. The older Wood framed buildings are MADE to shake and not fall over. Their ancient buildings are quite resistant with their method of interlocking segments with built in slip movement. 

Their walking design on stone pads is key. 
 

 

 

[DKTanker]

21 hours ago, R011 said:

That clip was obviously heavily edited.  That always makes me suspicious that context has been deliberately removed to distort what was said.

What was actually said?  I ask because your friends in kind made the same observation but then couldn't back up what she/they actually did say.

And BTW, she's wrong.  I don't GAF what you look like if you're responding to an emergency, I'm more concerned that you can do your job.  If her/them response to my plea to be carried to safety is met by their response, "Sorry, Buddy, you shouldn't have gotten yourself into that problem", then she needs to resign immediately and let somebody that can do the job do it.

[rmgill]

The idea that rescues MUST be done by someone who LOOKS like you is the epitome of racism. 

If you had a white man who complained that a firefighter was black, everyone would scream....

[R011]

Just now, DKTanker said:

What was actually said? 

Beyond was was in the clip?  I don't know.  It may well be just as bad or worse than the edit suggested, though if it were, they wouldn't have needed to edit it as much.

Political activists lie.  The Right as much as the Left.  This is no different than the way media distorts things Trump says.

[rmgill]

3 minutes ago, R011 said:

Beyond was was in the clip?  I don't know.  It may well be just as bad or worse than the edit suggested, though if it were, they wouldn't have needed to edit it as much.

Are you that unaware of how the left has pushed the Diversity roles here in the US? 

Its the same kind of pablum Trudeau utters. Of has Trudeau been distorted all this time when he's talking up programs for diversity? 

Surely you're not unaware of what the DEI folks across the US are actually pushing? 

[rmgill]

 

[rmgill]

This guy apparently manage to keep his house from burning by dowsing embers. He stayed at his home and defied the evac order...
 

 

[sunday]

7 hours ago, rmgill said:

Did they not vote for their mayor? Did Gavin Newsome not survive a recall not too long ago? 
did Newsome braga bout removing Dam removal project in the US?

(...)

I would not be so sure about the results of California elections reflecting the will of the people.

[futon]

ISTR that a lot of the Tokyo houses in the early 1900s were built very congestedly as part of urbanization. Lot of those probably didn't use traditional anti-earthquake building methods. So a lesson was learned in the 1923 Tokyo earthquake. 

There are some historical brick buildings still standing such as in Maizuru and Yokohama, although heavily renovated and reinforced.

 

Edited January 11 by futon

[JWB]

7 hours ago, rmgill said:

Which is based on California laws which people voted for. 

And the Feds:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=10070309660459606655&hl=en&as_sdt=2006

Which doesn't matter anyway.  It is an ongoing black swan event that could not be planned for.

There aren't enough pipes to transport the needed water.

There aren't enough hoses even if there were enough pipes.

There aren't enough fire fighters.

 

 

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/lafd-faces-staffing-shortages-needs-more-resources-head-of-firefighter-union-says/

[NickM]

12 minutes ago, JWB said:

And the Feds:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=10070309660459606655&hl=en&as_sdt=2006

Which doesn't matter anyway.  It is an ongoing black swan event that could not be planned for.

There aren't enough pipes to transport the needed water.

There aren't enough hoses even if there were enough pipes.

There aren't enough fire fighters.

 

 

https://ktla.com/news/local-news/lafd-faces-staffing-i

I kinda doubt the push for rainbow  wymmyn of color would help these matters

[Mr King]

[JWB]

Kill the messenger:

https://x.com/MailOnline/status/1877894725354533073

[Mr King]

3 minutes ago, JWB said:

Kill the messenger:

https://x.com/MailOnline/status/1877894725354533073