Greenland. China, Russia, USA, and Denmark

[Stuart Galbraith]

4 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

Ok, so maybe Israel - think the haredim would like Greenland?

My God, thats it! The solution that suits everyone. 'Gazaland!' Just like Gaza, but a lot bigger and a bit colder. 

 

 

[Ssnake]

1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

I cant see what the hell the problem is

"We wants it, we needs it!"

[Stuart Galbraith]

There is assuredly a meme in that.

 

 

[futon]

The South Koreans heard greenland Korea empire, now they make babies: https://m.koreaherald.com/article/10382593

[Mighty_Zuk]

27 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

Ok, so maybe Israel - think the haredim would like Greenland?

Reward them with that natural heaven? Nah.

We got our crowds of nutjobs that want to settle in Gaza. I figure maybe let them join them and see them either succumb to natural selection or harden and become normal.

23 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Well, so does Russia, and they invaded Ukraine.

 

Russia's birth rate is still twice higher than South Korea's bruv. When did you last check it?

[urbanoid]

10 minutes ago, futon said:

The South Koreans heard greenland Korea empire, now they make babies: https://m.koreaherald.com/article/10382593

If they take Greenland, can we expect the Finno-Korean Hyperwar 2: Electric Boogaloo?

https://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/Finno-Korean_hyperwar

[Stuart Galbraith]

2 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

Reward them with that natural heaven? Nah.

We got our crowds of nutjobs that want to settle in Gaza. I figure maybe let them join them and see them either succumb to natural selection or harden and become normal.

Russia's birth rate is still twice higher than South Korea's bruv. When did you last check it?

Im picturing Hasidic jews in fur coats  wrestling polar bears....

You should tell Putin, he trying initiatives to encourage families to have 8 children.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/vladimir-putin-women-eight-children-ukraine-war-b2455957.html#:~:text=Vladimir Putin has urged Russian women to have,numbers of casualties in his war against Ukraine.

[sunday]

39 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

Ok, so maybe Israel - think the haredim would like Greenland?

Well, as long as the haredim do not revolt against the conscription of their people...

[futon]

13 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

If they take Greenland, can we expect the Finno-Korean Hyperwar 2: Electric Boogaloo?

https://en.uncyclopedia.co/wiki/Finno-Korean_hyperwar

The four war pictures in that are so random 

[Stefan Kotsch]

Well, Legoland, that was it! 🤪

[urbanoid]

39 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

Reward them with that natural heaven? Nah.

We got our crowds of nutjobs that want to settle in Gaza. I figure maybe let them join them and see them either succumb to natural selection or harden and become normal.

Then again after dumping them there Israel proper could in turn 'secede' and thus stop all the gibs.

Obviously it would mean the internet full of memes about 'Israel becoming 110th', like in one 'legendary' 4chan thread.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Global warming means Greenland is doomed...

https://x.com/TheSubHunter1/status/1877475271319929313?t=8J7rdDUK8HBAlIWFCpy0EQ&s=19

[futon]

Globalwarming is to liberate Greenland from the white ice.

Greenland shall be green once more.

[urbanoid]

Make Greenland Green Again!

[glenn239]

17 hours ago, rmgill said:

OH yeah. Residents of the Levant NEVER had any complaints from Jews or Arabs in the region when it was run by the British. 

🙄

 

What is the overall American attitude on Trump's proposal to annex Greenland?   Do Americans consider NATO and the EU as sacrosanct, or has the war in Ukraine and the general level of European economic and political patheticness caused the conclusion that Europe is divided and weak and the United States should move its focus elsewhere?

[Tim the Tank Nut]

there is no American consensus.  Everyone is fixated on the fires in California.  Most people don't even know what Greenland is.

[Stuart Galbraith]

'Say Barbara, where's Greenland?'

Oh Honey, don't be silly! It's the vegetarian restaurant where we went after the Shuggleheimers Bar mitzvah. The one where the band dressed as Elves.'

'Oh. Wonder why Trump wants it?'

'Melania's probably going vegan.'

 

[Yama]

4 hours ago, urbanoid said:

How realistic is the prospect of Greenland becoming independent from Denmark?

They talk about it, but Greenland is very dependent from Danish financial aid (something like one-third of its revenue, not counting defence and surveillance which is almost entirely done by Danish government). So they would need a new source of money, and as they take a dim view on oil exploration and mining, where that could come from? Selling some hypothetical basing rights for USA would cover only a tiny bit.

Also,  that relates to obvious stumbling block which would put a dent for any prospect of USA ever financially benefitting from owning Greenland: locals could be persuaded for mineral and oil extraction only if the money goes to THEM. Any idea that Trump would take over Greenland and profits of the rare earths would flow into Federal and Musk's coffers is completely dead on arrival.

 

1 hour ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

Well, Legoland, that was it! 🤪

Hey, I had that as a kid! 1980's era Lego Space was amazing 

[Stuart Galbraith]

Yes, I had that one too. I think we all did.

 

[Tim the Tank Nut]

question for Yama:

In your post you refer to the native Greenlanders as not fans of land exploitation.  Reports of Chinese inroads are pretty common.  Nobody anywhere thinks the Chinese are good stewards of the environment.  It seems like those two viewpoints would be contradictory?

How do the native Greenlanders figure to square that circle?

[rmgill]

2 hours ago, glenn239 said:

 

What is the overall American attitude on Trump's proposal to annex Greenland? 

Overall, no idea. Conduct a poll. Don't look to get CNN or CNBC's vies as being illustrative. 

I am aware that we've asked for purchases before, we did so right after WWII. It's in our sphere of influence and it's a key point for surveillance/control of the Pole AND the north Atlantic. 

I've seen notes that controlling the north west passage would be important and that is very true. 
 

2 hours ago, glenn239 said:

 Do Americans consider NATO and the EU as sacrosanct,

I question whether it is because the EU doesn't seem to consider it sacrosanct. If they did we'd not behaving arguments for why the treaty spend requirements have not been met for year after year after year. 

Europe has NOT kept up their end of the bargain. 
 

2 hours ago, glenn239 said:

or has the war in Ukraine and the general level of European economic and political patheticness caused the conclusion that Europe is divided and weak and the United States should move its focus elsewhere?

It's a risk. I'm quite a strong proponent of Pax Americana and a careful mix of Hamiltonian, Wilsonian foreign policy. But Europe being as testy as it has over the US and frankly, the grotesque treatment of Bush and Trump has soured the relationship. 

Imagine if your leaders had graphic effigies and other rude protests every time you visited what was supposedly an important ally. 

 

[rmgill]

53 minutes ago, Tim the Tank Nut said:

How do the native Greenlanders figure to square that circle?

They'll cut the corners off the square after china builds them some tofu-dreg construction projects or they leave a giant teaming pile of toxic tailings in a fresh water aquifer. 

[Yama]

7 hours ago, Tim the Tank Nut said:

question for Yama:

In your post you refer to the native Greenlanders as not fans of land exploitation.  Reports of Chinese inroads are pretty common.  Nobody anywhere thinks the Chinese are good stewards of the environment.  It seems like those two viewpoints would be contradictory?

How do the native Greenlanders figure to square that circle?

Soren likely knows much more about that, but I don't think Greenlanders have any plan for that. AIUI, Chinese 'influence' there is/was their usual offer for cheap loans for construction projects.  Undoubtedly their ulterior motive would be to use it leverage future political favours.

Maybe they hope for a bidding war between USA and China...

[Yama]

13 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

The Russian colonial effort is not good, and the west should invest in resisting it.

Why is it not good? Because Russia is a loser state. Why is it a loser state? Because it brings nothing of value to those it seeks to dominate. It only brings corruption, hence it's losing.

But if a progressive power like the US were to launch an expedition to the moon or mars and set up permanent basing there - what's the harm in that? I can only see it advancing science.

Wouldn't Russian base on Moon or Mars advance science? Or would they just corrupt the locals? 

I don't think it's a coincidence that most of the advanced countries in Asia are those which weren't colonized by Europeans. (Though, statistician in me raises a possibility that cause-effect arrow might be inverted there).

I have made this point before, but perception of the British Empire is overly positive due to so much of our popular history having been written by Anglosphere writers.

[glenn239]

7 hours ago, rmgill said:

Overall, no idea. Conduct a poll. Don't look to get CNN or CNBC's vies as being illustrative. 

I am aware that we've asked for purchases before, we did so right after WWII. It's in our sphere of influence and it's a key point for surveillance/control of the Pole AND the north Atlantic. 

What Trump is proposing is a fairly radical departure from traditional US foreign policy.  He'll need a majority of US public opinion in favor of annexing Greenland, but it sounds like the actual public situation is indifference and confusion.