ELI5 Why Trump Bad For Europe

[Stuart Galbraith]

5 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

Possible DoD head:

 

This sounds good on paper, the problem is he had a dream team last time, and within 6 months he was falling out with all of them. In the end, unless they are telling him what he wants to hear, he doesnt want to hear it. Kinda like Biden in other words.

[urbanoid]

There comes a point when expressing concerns transforms into 'whining'. 

The world was supposed to end during his first term, it didn't and it actually turned out quite ok. 

[sunday]

Recommended viewing

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

But because he is a strategic genius, or most of the guys working for him admitted they ignored him?

His knowledge of history of zero. His knowledge of diplomacy is zero. He thinks you can run the entire world like a real estate deal, and you cant. Kissinger did that, and look where it got us.

[urbanoid]

Because the president, whether in domestic or foreign policy, relies on his team. 

His knowledge of history is not zero, his knowledge of diplomacy clearly wasn't zero either, at the end of the day he managed to have good relations with many of the allies. Sure, that largely didn't involve smug Western European shitlibs*, many of whom are now pretending they weren't saying certain things about him (that includes our PM and FM, who had their heads so far in German/Brussels ass that you can consider them honorary Western Europeans, even if of an anal variety). They're also, a miracle of miracles, saying how we should replace Russian LNG (there isn't a lot of it anymore, but every bit helps) with an American one to address trade deficits and offer to spend more on defense, before the man even took the office.  

*who are pretty much the same as smug American shitlibs

[Mighty_Zuk]

1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

I dont dispute it, I just dispute the one sidedness that you wont work with Ukraine because reasons, but so has everyone else. If you restrict yourself because of that rule, you will be working with nobody.

Ukraine's previous sales to Iran were during its pre-independence period, when it was still a Russian client state. I can't blame them for that. 

I do, however, think that since Israel is in active combat very frequently AND also faces arms embargoes from every ally, the issue of having certain advanced weapons in the hands of a country that had maybe 10 years at best to implement anti-corruption policies. Tech sensitivity is an order of magnitude less of an issue to Ukraine's traditional suppliers, primarily given their much larger and better connected industry.

So overcoming trust issues is on one hand much harder for Israel, and on the other hand it would yield very low gain at very high risk.

[Ivanhoe]

57 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

But because he is a strategic genius, or most of the guys working for him admitted they ignored him?

His knowledge of history of zero. His knowledge of diplomacy is zero. He thinks you can run the entire world like a real estate deal, and you cant. Kissinger did that, and look where it got us.

British diplomacy;

 

 

 

[Ivanhoe]

Lammy is apparently the current British Foreign Secretary.

As for Starmer;

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/from-repugnant-to-the-closest-of-allies-everything-keir-starmer-has-said-about-donald-trump/ar-AA1tBRTv

What Brits consider erudite diplomacy is not the sort of behavior I want from my federal government. 

I searched for British involvement in the Abraham Accords and found nothing. 

[Stuart Galbraith]

1 hour ago, Ivanhoe said:

British diplomacy;

 

 

 

Nowhere have I said I'm impressed with British foreign policy. Not since, ooh, 1956?

Beside our last Conservative Foreign Secretary was David Cameron, the man who brought the British Army back from Europe at a time it would have been a rather  better idea to keep it there.

Trump isn't a Nazi. He is just an idiot, and credit where it's due, name an American president after Bush the elder that wasn't.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Putin bitchslaps Trump.

https://x.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1855656228614992311?t=dIGRVr35a5vCSrI-Ck1O9Q&s=19

[TrustMe]

Sexy lady.

[seahawk]

3 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

Lammy is apparently the current British Foreign Secretary.

As for Starmer;

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/from-repugnant-to-the-closest-of-allies-everything-keir-starmer-has-said-about-donald-trump/ar-AA1tBRTv

What Brits consider erudite diplomacy is not the sort of behavior I want from my federal government. 

I searched for British involvement in the Abraham Accords and found nothing. 

Identity politics in full effect.

[Tim Sielbeck]

2 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Putin bitchslaps Trump.

https://x.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1855656228614992311?t=dIGRVr35a5vCSrI-Ck1O9Q&s=19

More like acts the ass.

[sunday]

Well, no Russian collusion now!

[urbanoid]

Jealous Barney Frank Skabeeva looked disgusting--nipples protruding such a fat ugly chick--in his blue shirt before Congress with her idiotic smile before the audience. Very very disrespectful.

[Stuart Galbraith]

1 hour ago, Tim Sielbeck said:

More like acts the ass.

That's a given with Putin. I think. He can afford to gloat, he believes he won.

https://x.com/Biz_Ukraine_Mag/status/1855635782083424484?t=yFBrZl3Oj_Rb_7e9Lym2Pg&s=19

[Der Zeitgeist]

Marco Rubio as secretary of state. Not quite the Putin-lover some people imagined, I guess. 

[Stuart Galbraith]

On 11/10/2024 at 12:52 PM, urbanoid said:

Because the president, whether in domestic or foreign policy, relies on his team. 

His knowledge of history is not zero, his knowledge of diplomacy clearly wasn't zero either, at the end of the day he managed to have good relations with many of the allies. Sure, that largely didn't involve smug Western European shitlibs*, many of whom are now pretending they weren't saying certain things about him (that includes our PM and FM, who had their heads so far in German/Brussels ass that you can consider them honorary Western Europeans, even if of an anal variety). They're also, a miracle of miracles, saying how we should replace Russian LNG (there isn't a lot of it anymore, but every bit helps) with an American one to address trade deficits and offer to spend more on defense, before the man even took the office.  

*who are pretty much the same as smug American shitlibs

Indeed, but that is purely dependent on his ability to listen to his team.

Alright, answer me this. How can someone that knows anything of history, not know that Hitlers Generals tried to murder him not once but several times, and apparently didnt even know who Erwin Rommel was? Yet he aspires to Hitlers generals, because they did as they were told? Im sure Steiner whereever he is must be thrilled.

Im not saying he is the most ill informed President to ever enter the oval office, but usually they dont fire all the people who are better informed than he was, and last time he did.

[Stuart Galbraith]

1 hour ago, Der Zeitgeist said:

Marco Rubio as secretary of state. Not quite the Putin-lover some people imagined, I guess. 

It doesnt matter whom he picks. It purely matters whether they are retained in the job and listened to. Last time he had the most Hawkish team imaginable, because the Republican party still had some aspirations to some balls back then, and he fired damn near all of them. The only ones he retained were the ones whom were personally loyal, ie, told him what he wanted to hear. For example, we didnt see John Bolton last long did we?

[Mighty_Zuk]

I got my answers. Thank you all, by the way. Productive discussion here as well. Do you guys prefer to keep this thread to discuss Trump vs Europe stuff, or can I ask a mod to close it?

[urbanoid]

8 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

It doesnt matter whom he picks. It purely matters whether they are retained in the job and listened to. Last time he had the most Hawkish team imaginable, because the Republican party still had some aspirations to some balls back then, and he fired damn near all of them. The only ones he retained were the ones whom were personally loyal, ie, told him what he wanted to hear. For example, we didnt see John Bolton last long did we?

We're hearing about the third 'Russia/China/Iran hawk' likely cabinet member, but somehow 'it doesn't matter'.

I'd say it does.

[Stuart Galbraith]

What good does it have to have a hawk that is strong against Russia, China or Iran, when the one making the decisions is a man who says he wants to dump on Ukraine?

Yes, im sure there will be arguments saying if you dump Ukraine, China is watching and will take that as a green light on Taiwan. Again, it really depends on what mood he is in to listen. He wouldnt listen to John Bolton, he wouldnt listen to Fiona Hill. So why is he going to listen to this shadowy Hawk, not least because we dont actually know what he is telling him?

The only message that might sink in is that Biden never really recovered from Afghanistan. And if Trump presides over a huge defeat, the American people will not love him for it, for they love to be winners all said and done. That MIGHT carry some weight, but only if he doesnt stick his feet in, and he listens to them, and not Elon bloody Musk.

Trumps former advisers said he alway listned to the last guy in the room. Maybe if they can keep Musk out of the room they will go somewhere, but if not, all bets are off.

 

Edited November 12, 2024 by Stuart Galbraith

[urbanoid]

Ah, ok, so the source is a crystal ball of doom and gloom, infected with TDS. 

[Stuart Galbraith]

They actually worked for him. People can keep spamming TDS all they like, we have the evidence of how many people he fired in his first term, and without exception all say he wouldnt listen. Even the ones whom resigned said that. What are we supposed to do, reject all that because its delivering an answer we dont want to hear?

People are assuming this is Trump 2.0, new and improved Trump, a sweet smelling Trump thats safe for you and the family. Well ok, Id be happy to believe that, when I see some evidence of it. Until them, I think the only TDS on offer is those desperately choosing to believe the man has turned over a new leaf based on 'well he hired someone who was a hawk.' And Kelly and Bolton were what, pacifists?

 

[Der Zeitgeist]

51 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

I got my answers. Thank you all, by the way. Productive discussion here as well. Do you guys prefer to keep this thread to discuss Trump vs Europe stuff, or can I ask a mod to close it?

I'd say keep it, it seems to work fine to keep most of the political aspects about NATO/Russia/Ukraine/defense spending in one place.