On the way Posted Wednesday at 05:40 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 05:40 AM I mean by and large, the missiles fired by the Iranians have to overfly the entire country of Iraq, which is still controlled by the US, with heavy US military presence in the form of advisors, and other units. Knowing that the Iranians will likely use rockets or missiles from Iran into Israel, and knowing that they have to fly over Iraq, why haven't the US stationed anti missile batteries in Iraq to shoo them down before they get to Israel? I know the Israel missile defence is formidable, but isn't it better to intercept the missiles as far away from the borders of Israel as possible. What are the Iraqis going to say? No? They hate the Iranians as much as the Israelis. Is it because the parabola of the missile flight is too high over Iraq to intercept and that it's better to shoot at them when they are in the terminal phase nearer to the ground? This is a mystery to my untrained ballistic missile mind. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted Wednesday at 12:14 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:14 PM The U.S. does not directly control Iraq and it likely has nothing in country that could hit exo atmospheric missiles. Remember that when the Iranians attacked US bases there was not so much as a Patriot battery in country, let alone an ABM system. And I think even THAAD lacks the kinetic energy for a mid course MRBM/IRBM interception. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrustMe Posted Wednesday at 12:17 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:17 PM 1 minute ago, Josh said: The U.S. does not directly control Iraq and it likely has nothing in country that could hit exo atmospheric missiles. Remember that when the Iranians attacked US bases there was not so much as a Patriot battery in country, let alone an ABM system. And I think even THAAD lacks the kinetic energy for a mid course MRBM/IRBM interception. I've read that THAAD does not work at all and is a failed product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted Wednesday at 12:25 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:25 PM 7 minutes ago, TrustMe said: I've read that THAAD does not work at all and is a failed product. Where did you read that? AFAIK it has never been used it combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrustMe Posted Wednesday at 12:39 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 12:39 PM (edited) 14 minutes ago, Josh said: Where did you read that? AFAIK it has never been used it combat. When the UAE tested it. Supposedly the Aegis Ashore works better. Edited Wednesday at 12:41 PM by TrustMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted Wednesday at 02:33 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 02:33 PM 1 hour ago, TrustMe said: When the UAE tested it. Supposedly the Aegis Ashore works better. What did the UAE test it against and where? Color me skeptical; I did not realize they had access to ballistic missile simulators on a thousand mile test range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrustMe Posted Wednesday at 02:47 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 02:47 PM 13 minutes ago, Josh said: What did the UAE test it against and where? Color me skeptical; I did not realize they had access to ballistic missile simulators on a thousand mile test range. All I know is that the UAE didn't like the product they bought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted Wednesday at 02:49 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 02:49 PM 1 minute ago, TrustMe said: All I know is that the UAE didn't like the product they bought. It is certainly possible. Do you have a source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted Wednesday at 02:49 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 02:49 PM 1 minute ago, TrustMe said: All I know is that the UAE didn't like the product they bought. Weapons are inherently political and the UAE is exceptional in that regard with its imports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrustMe Posted Wednesday at 03:05 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 03:05 PM (edited) 15 minutes ago, Josh said: It is certainly possible. Do you have a source? I read about it on www.pprune.org in the military section. Edited Wednesday at 03:05 PM by TrustMe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted Wednesday at 03:22 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 03:22 PM 31 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said: Weapons are inherently political and the UAE is exceptional in that regard with its imports. This. Arguably most UAE purchases are just bribes with a consolation prize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted Wednesday at 04:45 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 04:45 PM 4 hours ago, TrustMe said: I've read that THAAD does not work at all and is a failed product. So THAAD's a Chad? Huh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On the way Posted Wednesday at 06:05 PM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 06:05 PM 5 hours ago, Josh said: The U.S. does not directly control Iraq and it likely has nothing in country that could hit exo atmospheric missiles. Remember that when the Iranians attacked US bases there was not so much as a Patriot battery in country, let alone an ABM system. And I think even THAAD lacks the kinetic energy for a mid course MRBM/IRBM interception. But if the US wants to, they could install Patriot batteries all over Iraq, no? Right now they got a couple of US destroyers of the coast of Israel shooting at Iranian missiles, but that coverage has to be limited in area. I would think if they can thin out the Iranian missiles over Iraq before they get to Israel, it would be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiGG0 Posted Wednesday at 06:17 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 06:17 PM I dont think Patriot batteries can intercept ballistic missiles mid course. Those fly too high and fast. They can intercept ballistic missiles in re-entry phase (so relativerly close to "target"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted Wednesday at 06:18 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 06:18 PM 11 minutes ago, On the way said: But if the US wants to, they could install Patriot batteries all over Iraq, no? Right now they got a couple of US destroyers of the coast of Israel shooting at Iranian missiles, but that coverage has to be limited in area. I would think if they can thin out the Iranian missiles over Iraq before they get to Israel, it would be better. Patriot would not be able to engage any ballistic missile that could reach Israel. As I stated, j doubt even THAAD can. That would be a mid course intercept at the near apogee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
On the way Posted Wednesday at 06:24 PM Author Share Posted Wednesday at 06:24 PM 5 minutes ago, Josh said: Patriot would not be able to engage any ballistic missile that could reach Israel. As I stated, j doubt even THAAD can. That would be a mid course intercept at the near apogee. Ok, got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted Wednesday at 10:12 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 10:12 PM 4 hours ago, On the way said: But if the US wants to, they could install Patriot batteries all over Iraq, no? Wasn't any Patriot ready reserve largely squandered in Ukraine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted Wednesday at 10:36 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 10:36 PM (edited) 24 minutes ago, glenn239 said: Wasn't any Patriot ready reserve largely squandered in Ukraine? Weren’t all the Iskanders as well? Edited Wednesday at 10:37 PM by Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyinsane105 Posted Thursday at 02:24 AM Share Posted Thursday at 02:24 AM 14 hours ago, TrustMe said: I've read that THAAD does not work at all and is a failed product. Same was said of Patriot for a very long time. Ukraine has more or less shown it’s a decent system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted Thursday at 06:35 AM Share Posted Thursday at 06:35 AM Only system capable of midcourse intercept the US deployed in the region would be the SM-3. Patriot is useful for terminal engagement. Remember Israel recently finished withdrawal of 8 batteries to facilitate increased capacity for Ukraine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted Thursday at 08:09 AM Share Posted Thursday at 08:09 AM One cant help but think that perhaps continued development ofr the Airborne laser laboratory might have been a better use of tax dollars than LCS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted Thursday at 08:18 AM Share Posted Thursday at 08:18 AM 7 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said: One cant help but think that perhaps continued development ofr the Airborne laser laboratory might have been a better use of tax dollars than LCS... It didn't work, and more over think about how many ABLs you would have to have to enable any kind of 24/7 coverage. Picture an AWACs with a drastically shorter range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted Thursday at 09:16 AM Share Posted Thursday at 09:16 AM Well.. name a weapon system that did work in its first incarnation. Thats why you develop them. The problem as I understand it, they had to engage during boost phase, and that meant flying over an enemy country. Although it was no clear to me, with further development, whether those ranges might have been extended, particularly at high altitude. Well yes, although in this case we knew an hour in advance (if not more) the missiles were on there way. That wouldnt work in all circumstances clearly, but it was enough for Israel to get all its jets in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted Thursday at 01:48 PM Share Posted Thursday at 01:48 PM 5 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: One cant help but think that perhaps continued development ofr the Airborne laser laboratory might have been a better use of tax dollars than LCS... Yeah. About that. https://www.worldtribune.com/archives/obama-military-budget-cuts-claim-airborne-laser-program/ WASHINGTON — The United States has canceled its airborne laser program, which aroused major interest in the Middle East for its ability to intercept intermediate-range ballistic missiles. The U.S. ABL system was to use a Boeing 747-400F with a chemical oxygen iodine laser in the nose. The administration of President Barack Obama has decided to terminate the ABL program, meant to develop a Boeing 747-400F passenger aircraft fitted with a chemical oxygen iodine laser in the nose of the platform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txtree99 Posted Thursday at 03:11 PM Share Posted Thursday at 03:11 PM It looks like lasers are in work https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/nato-navies-could-soon-be-firing-laser-weapons-212925 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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