DKTanker Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 2 hours ago, Skywalkre said: Some local endorsements for Harris. Note the Mesa mayor is R from a very conservative city. Endorsements in and of themselves don't mean much, but I'm more curious of what it signals in regards to how many Rs will be vocally opposed to Trump. Looking up the numbers from '20 the numbers who voted against him were lower than I had remembered, but that was also pre-6Jan and everything that's come out since. I don't think you'll see a lot of voting against Trump, that would mean voting for a radical left airhead. What I do think you'll see, and I'm but one example, are people that will simply be sitting this one out. Maybe just do down ticket, that's my intention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalkre Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 2 minutes ago, DKTanker said: I don't think you'll see a lot of voting against Trump, that would mean voting for a radical left airhead. What I do think you'll see, and I'm but one example, are people that will simply be sitting this one out. Maybe just do down ticket, that's my intention. That's a good point, and you're not the only one here on TN to mention you'll likely do that this year. I don't recall ever reading about how prevalent that was back in '20 and a quick google search isn't turning up any articles covering that phenomenon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 I can imagine there is a huge valley between not wanting to vote for Trump and actively thinking Trump needs to be stopped such that you vote against your party and platform. I cannot imagine a lot of people fall in that second group, and even if you did, there is no need to act on the feeling if you are not in one of the seven swing states. I think it does mean that while the EC will be as close as ever (~100,000 votes across several states), the popular vote is going to be crushingly one sided, particularly with Biden off the ticket. I think the gap will break 10 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 8 hours ago, Ivanhoe said: Definitely appears to be an example of social contagion, at least to me. There is definitely some social contagion there. Network engineer I worked with from 2000 on put on the tough grew up in the hood thing on. Around 2015 or so a bunch of us went shooting, he was very new to guns. His team went skeet shooting and he was completely out of his element even with the older black woman who was the puller giving him pointers. Hardened gang kid he isn’t. And, having met his father who’s a southern black gentleman, its all an affect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted July 31 Author Share Posted July 31 40 minutes ago, DKTanker said: They lyrics, or the Mexican Polka* style music? *At least that's how it is referred to in this part of Texas. The first time I heard the Mexican polka/oompa music from a boom Car in traffic I was very confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargrunt6 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 2 hours ago, DKTanker said: They lyrics, or the Mexican Polka* style music? *At least that's how it is referred to in this part of Texas. Friggin Germans immigrating to Mexico, had to bring the accordion with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr King Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 4 hours ago, Josh said: I don’t think it is incomparable: you are discussing an entertainer at a rally and I am discussing entertainers at a convention. Quite honestly, neither of those things are super relevant; they are just mechanisms politicians use to pander to specific demographics. Kid and Megan were both featured because of the demos the respective campaigns thought they would reach, not because anyone wanted to make statements about gun violence against the black community or lite beer. What weird pedantry to hide behind. It doesn't make a difference if it was a rally or a convention, they still chose to use these people as representation of their campaigns and voter outreach. While I have clearly articulated what my problem with Megan is, you still have not articulated in anyway what your issue is with Kid Rock or Hogan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 23 minutes ago, Mr King said: What weird pedantry to hide behind. It doesn't make a difference if it was a rally or a convention, they still chose to use these people as representation of their campaigns and voter outreach. While I have clearly articulated what my problem with Megan is, you still have not articulated in anyway what your issue is with Kid Rock or Hogan. You still have not articulated whether you have a problem with Trump and sexual assault. Do you want to have that conversation before we talk about a black entertainer using the N word? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr King Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 3 minutes ago, Josh said: You still have not articulated whether you have a problem with Trump and sexual assault. Do you want to have that conversation before we talk about a black entertainer using the N word? Yes, provided he is actually guilty. And it seems to me there was a lot more that entertainer was saying than just the dreaded n word. As far as sex skeletons in Trump closet, I think his main vulnerability is his association with Jeffry Epstein. Nothing would make his base abandon him faster than convicting him of being a kid diddling client of Epstein. But that they have thrown sham trial after sham trial at him and not prosecuted him for being a client of Epstein's is telling. He is either actually innocent, or prosecuting him would potentially reveal dirty secrets about other political elite they would rather keep under wraps. Which would say as much about the people prosecuting Trump as it does Trump himself. I'm still waiting for you to explain your specific issues with Hogan and Kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Mr King said: Yes, provided he is actually guilty. And it seems to me there was a lot more that entertainer was saying than just the dreaded n word. As far as sex skeletons in Trump closet, I think his main vulnerability is his association with Jeffry Epstein. Nothing would make his base abandon him faster than convicting him of being a kid diddling client of Epstein. But that they have thrown sham trial after sham trial at him and not prosecuted him for being a client of Epstein's is telling. He is either actually innocent, or prosecuting him would potentially reveal dirty secrets about other political elite they would rather keep under wraps. Which would say as much about the people prosecuting Trump as it does Trump himself. I'm still waiting for you to explain your specific issues with Hogan and Kid. I have no problem with Hogan or Kidd or Megan. You seem to have an issue with Megan; ok fine. I don’t think it relevant. You are saying that an entertainer that Harris had out for a rally might be a bad influence with the black community. Ok then. How about the known anti semites Trump has crushed a cup of wine with then? Would you like to comment on that? https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/11/25/politics/trump-kanye-west-nick-fuentes-mar-a-lago My other problem with this entire conversation, and this will be my last post on the matter, is that Trump is not just adjacent to pieces of shit. Trump is a moralistic piece of shit. He has been cheating people out of money every chance he gets long before he was president. He doesn’t pay workers, he creates companies that promise false services, he burns everyone around himself including the people most faithful to him politically ( most of his cabinet, all of his lawyers, Mike pence, etc). So Harris having someone who might be piece of shit adjacent at worst is a non issue compared to the massive cow and steamer that is DJT going all the way back to the 80s. im done with the topic; back to the Harris campaign. Edited August 1 by Josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr King Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 minute ago, Josh said: I have no problem with Hogan or Kidd or Megan. Right, that's why you mentioned both Hogan and Kidd multiple times in reference to my issues with Megan. I also enjoy how the left argues at the same time Trump is antisemitic AND he is in bed with the Zionist Jews. You're not doing that here yet, but it seems to be where this path always leads. As far as Trump being antisemitic he has a Jewish child and some of his closest advisors have been Jews. He is pretty shitty at being an antisemite. By the way here is the Messiah Obama and the congressional black caucus courting the Nation of Islam. You are aware of Nation of Islam right? That little meeting was kept secret from the public by the press until after Obama was out of office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 2 hours ago, Stargrunt6 said: Friggin Germans immigrating to Mexico, had to bring the accordion with them. For which they will never be forgiven. Nor should they. Only ethnic group that has ever made pleasant music with the squeezebox, TMK, is the Irish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickM Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 1 hour ago, Mr King said: Yes, provided he is actually guilty. And it seems to me there was a lot more that entertainer was saying than just the dreaded n word. As far as sex skeletons in Trump closet, I think his main vulnerability is his association with Jeffry Epstein. Nothing would make his base abandon him faster than convicting him of being a kid diddling client of Epstein. But that they have thrown sham trial after sham trial at him and not prosecuted him for being a client of Epstein's is telling. He is either actually innocent, or prosecuting him would potentially reveal dirty secrets about other political elite they would rather keep under wraps. Which would say as much about the people prosecuting Trump as it does Trump himself. I'm still waiting for you to explain your specific issues with Hogan and Kid. RE: Epstein, The God/Emperor threw Epstein off the premises of his property when he found out "E" was a nonce. OTHER pols/bankers/entertainers/celebrities continued to associate with "E" and even took multiple visits to his Isle of Sin over the years and decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Just wow; https://nypost.com/2024/07/31/us-news/9-11-mastermind-ksm-and-two-other-terrorists-awaiting-trial-on-guantanamo-bay-strike-plea-deals/ Quote Soon after news broke of the plea deal, the White House issued a statement through a National Security Council official distancing itself from the agreement. “The President and White House played no role in this process. The President has directed his team to consult as appropriate with officials and lawyers at the Department of Defense on this matter.” Hard to tell what's going on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 5 hours ago, DKTanker said: They lyrics, or the Mexican Polka* style music? (...) Both! I like Mexican Rancheras: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Fredriksson Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 I have seen snippets of interviews with Pete Buttigieg, and I can understand why people like him. Would the US be ready for an openly homosexual person to be VP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted August 1 Author Share Posted August 1 4 hours ago, Mr King said: By the way here is the Messiah Obama and the congressional black caucus courting the Nation of Islam. You are aware of Nation of Islam right? That little meeting was kept secret from the public by the press until after Obama was out of office. Nation of islam leadership are hateful racist. I have worked outer perimeter staff at one of their events. I was working a scifi con at the Atlanta Hyatt and they had a meeting in one of the ball rooms. It and another were posted on the outer perimeter to ward away our con attendees to keep them from barging into the NoI meeting. They were utterly unfriendly to me and my cohort save for one of their security dudes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 3 hours ago, Stefan Fredriksson said: I have seen snippets of interviews with Pete Buttigieg, and I can understand why people like him. Would the US be ready for an openly homosexual person to be VP? Probably on the Dem side, and people do openly discuss it. But it seems more likely that someone from a swing state is chosen to try to buy a few thousand extra votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargrunt6 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 10 hours ago, Ivanhoe said: For which they will never be forgiven. Nor should they. Only ethnic group that has ever made pleasant music with the squeezebox, TMK, is the Irish. And the cajuns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargrunt6 Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 9 hours ago, sunday said: Both! I like Mexican Rancheras: Ditto here. This slaps. Too bad the latin press did her dirty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 6 hours ago, Stefan Fredriksson said: I have seen snippets of interviews with Pete Buttigieg, and I can understand why people like him. Would the US be ready for an openly homosexual person to be VP? Look what happened to Harvey Milk. Tbf, I can't think of anyone in Europe in the top 2 position that is gay either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17thfabn Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 6 hours ago, Stefan Fredriksson said: I have seen snippets of interviews with Pete Buttigieg, and I can understand why people like him. Would the US be ready for an openly homosexual person to be VP? Zero % chance of Buttigieg being the VP pick. He brings no votes to Harris she wouldn't have already have gotten. Possibly would turn off socially conservative black church goers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 3 minutes ago, 17thfabn said: Zero % chance of Buttigieg being the VP pick. He brings no votes to Harris she wouldn't have already have gotten. Possibly would turn off socially conservative black church goers. Agree. He functions much better on the sidelines. I’m guessing Shapiro or Kelly. We should know this weekend I think. But certainly Pete has been discussed a lot in the media and has been making the rounds. If the Dems were doing better this year or if Trump was not the nominee he might have been in the running. He does well under pressure; he has solid responses on Fox News. But this year every few thousand votes counts, and I think a swing state VP will happen even though in modern times VPs do not attract many additional votes from their states. But with margins down to the 10-20,000 vote level in the blue wall and sun belt states, a few thousand voters showing up makes a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickM Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 (edited) 20 hours ago, Stefan Fredriksson said: I have seen snippets of interviews with Pete Buttigieg, and I can understand why people like him. Would the US be ready for an openly homosexual person to be VP? Given his displays of utter incompetence in the past as head of the department of transportation, I'm not sure I'm ready for him as VP either Edited August 2 by NickM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stefan Fredriksson Posted August 1 Share Posted August 1 Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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