Because Kamala

[Josh]

I consider Trump such a moral and intellectual failure so prone to following whatever the last person whispered into his ear that I honestly don’t particularly care about policy. I consider Trump incapable of properly executing the job and I think the relatively benign first term was wrought mostly by the fact the man has the attention span of a gold fish and did not follow through on his more reckless impulses. In some cases it seems like his staff actively ignored some of his ideas until he just got distracted by something else, if any of the tell alls from his cabinet members are to be believed. Literally 75% of his former cabinet members and his vice president think he is unfit for the office.

I would vote for essentially anything but Trump.

Edited July 31 by Josh

[Skywalkre]

37 minutes ago, 17thfabn said:

By the same unofficial count, I think TN has two or three Democrat leaning members.

Do we?  As far as those who post and are actual Americans I can see just one.

As for me I was R-leaning in my youth and generally voted mostly R up through Romney's candidacy.  Since then, however, my ballot has basically been left empty for Fed races and the local ones are increasingly left more open than filled in as well.

Unlike many on here I have plenty of close friends who are D and can relate what they say about Harris.  Every single one of them is enthusiastic... but to be fair it's less about Harris and more about the fact it's not Biden.  Out of all those friends just one actually said she liked Biden (and what he's accomplished).  The rest... grudgingly were going along with his candidacy because they don't want to see Trump elected.  Talking to these friends they're still in the honeymoon phase of Biden leaving the race so I'm curious how their views shift as we get closer to Nov. 

[Mr King]

High IQ's on display

 

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Rapper Megan Thee Stallion performs 'Savage' at VP Kamala Harris' rally in Atlanta Georgia. The song Megan Thee Stallion is performing discusses how "any ni**a I let hit is still attached... but you know this p*ssy fat." "I'm a savage, yeah. Classy, bougie, ratchet, yeah. Sassy, moody, nasty, huh. Acting stupid, what's happening?"

 

[Stargrunt6]

11 minutes ago, Mr King said:

High IQ's on display

 

 

Megan Thee Stallion and her ilk are part of the problem in black culture.

 

Let this black female youtuber explain:

 

 

[17thfabn]

5 minutes ago, Stargrunt6 said:

Megan Thee Stallion and her ilk are part of the problem in black culture.

Black culture, like White, Hispanic culture etc. is not monolithic.

There is a low class ghetto culture. But there are plenty of working class and professional blacks that are not a part of that culture.

As far as the trashy music, there many young white as well as black kids that listen to it. And not just kids. I know plenty of people well into their 40s that like that type of music. As far as I know, none of them are pimps, hoes, drug dealers or gang bangers. 

[Mr King]

29 minutes ago, 17thfabn said:

As far as the trashy music, there many young white as well as black kids that listen to it. And not just kids. I know plenty of people well into their 40s that like that type of music. As far as I know, none of them are pimps, hoes, drug dealers or gang bangers. 

 

I think the main problem is the Harris campaign thought this was appropriate to pander to voters. If the Harris campaign is blasting music with lyrics like ""any ni**a I let hit is still attached... but you know this p*ssy fat." "I'm a savage, yeah. Classy, bougie, ratchet, yeah. Sassy, moody, nasty, huh. Acting stupid, what's happening?" I don't ever want to hear whining about Trump's grab em by the pussy comment. Or his hobby of screwing washed up porn stars.

[rmgill]

2 hours ago, 17thfabn said:

I like talking and debating politics, especially with those I disagree with...... in a civilized way. I hope my posts have been civilized.

They have and I appreciate your points. 

[rmgill]

1 hour ago, 17thfabn said:

Black culture, like White, Hispanic culture etc. is not monolithic.

There is a low class ghetto culture. But there are plenty of working class and professional blacks that are not a part of that culture.

yep. And they vastly underrepresent in mainstream music. You’ll fond better representations of them in older music or alternate from Rap. 

1 hour ago, 17thfabn said:

As far as the trashy music, there many young white as well as black kids that listen to it.

Yes. And they are culturally more poor for it. 

They’d be better listening to old Jazz and Absolutely timeless examples like Ella Fitzgerald. 

 

1 hour ago, 17thfabn said:

And not just kids. I know plenty of people well into their 40s that like that type of music. As far as I know, none of them are pimps, hoes, drug dealers or gang bangers. 

I like viking music, but there’s not an entire culture of viking wannbe’s committing an outsized proportion of the violent crime in the US. That can’t be said about the problem in urban black rapper culture. The rap production scene in Atlanta is hand in hand with gangs and drug trafficking.

[Josh]

59 minutes ago, Mr King said:

 

I think the main problem is the Harris campaign thought this was appropriate to pander to voters. If the Harris campaign is blasting music with lyrics like ""any ni**a I let hit is still attached... but you know this p*ssy fat." "I'm a savage, yeah. Classy, bougie, ratchet, yeah. Sassy, moody, nasty, huh. Acting stupid, what's happening?" I don't ever want to hear whining about Trump's grab em by the pussy comment. Or his hobby of screwing washed up porn stars.

Megan is no Kid Rock or Hulk Hogan, that's for sure.

 

As for Trump's behavior - I think singing trashy song lyrics is a pretty far cry from cheating on your wife with a porn star. And the pussy grab comment by itself probably would not have been such a deal, except Trump has a couple dozen accusations of sexual assault and a civil suite that found him liable for sexual assault (admitted a much lower bar to clear than a criminal trial). IE, the pussy grab comment seemed to confirm that as a famous person he felt he can get away with sexual assault.

Edited July 31 by Josh

[Stargrunt6]

1 hour ago, 17thfabn said:

Black culture, like White, Hispanic culture etc. is not monolithic.

There is a low class ghetto culture. But there are plenty of working class and professional blacks that are not a part of that culture.

As far as the trashy music, there many young white as well as black kids that listen to it. And not just kids. I know plenty of people well into their 40s that like that type of music. As far as I know, none of them are pimps, hoes, drug dealers or gang bangers. 

Look up the top 10 songs in the last 5 years in the hip hop charts. Read their lyrics.

Compare to the top 5 songs in pop.

Name a song that isn't hip hop or R&b that refers to women as "bitches" or "ho's."

Look up illegitimacy statistics by race.

This isn't some outsider looking in.  I've been a die hard hip hop fan since Run DMC rapped about their Adidas shoes.  I grew up and live in a predominantly black city.Black friends speak to me I'm allowed in the "cook out," (ie, "Stargrunt, are you getting chose by her?")

If I told you "ain't nothin going on but the rent," what am I referring to, without google searching? 

I guarantee I've been to more hip hip gigs and owned more rap albums than the all the frequent posters here combined.

Hell, check my postings on the music thread.  I stopped posting hip hop because I figured it wasn't anyone's cup of tea.

I'm also Hispanic, so I'm aware of trends there as well, such as narcocultura and narcocorridos (Pesa Pluma is about to get got btw).

As far as white people listening to the trashy hip hop , yeah I know. But have they been enculturated by it yet?  It won't sink in because it's viewed as a novelty and not "instructions."  We all listened to NWA back in my lower middle to upper class town I lived in. Only one joined a so callled gang and they were posers anyway.

Compare contrast to the Garth Brooks concert I went to at the Superdome. The entire stadium was packed with white people listening to songs about getting hammered. None of the bars sold any of their sodas so to save them for cocktails. One guy faceplanted feom being hammered, but his belly kept him from gettinf hurt. 

So in summation, music won't enculturate as much if it crosses cultural lines.  If "Ella Baila Sola" gets 15 yo Fred Heiser of Mckinney, TX to quit the lacrosse team and join the Sinaloa cartel, then I'll shut up.

 

[Stargrunt6]

Hi I'm Stargrunt6, and I enjoy belaboring points. Here's an example of enculturation. Please focus on the outtake with Alonzo Williams' anecdote regarding NWA's impact on the black community.  If you don't know who he is, he was a co-member of a rap group with Dr. Dre, who went on to form NWA.

Special Ed is a rapper from NYC who was popular in the 80s and 90s. And he's spot on. Find a popular rap song in the last 10 years that doesn't mention shooting people.

 

[rmgill]

I think ‘Wet a** pu**y’ seems to have a different subject matter. Though I am no expert on the lyrics. I bow to your superior knowledge.

 

The closest I got to it was my cousin who adored Rap and had a boom car, two illegitimate kids, a drug habit and a record. Needless to say the associations were not ideal for me in my high school years. Last photo I saw of him was a booking photo from one of the Metro area County SO’s pages.  I stopped looking up to him when he turned mean about 15…when he turned felonious around 17, I completely eschewed him. 

[sunday]

2 hours ago, Stargrunt6 said:

So in summation, music won't enculturate as much if it crosses cultural lines.  If "Ella Baila Sola" gets 15 yo Fred Heiser of Mckinney, TX to quit the lacrosse team and join the Sinaloa cartel, then I'll shut up.

Curious, Ella Baila Sola is for me a 1990s Spanish band made up by two ladies

 

[Stargrunt6]

Como así tienes, mantengalo, compadre

 

Back to strong woman:

https://nitter.privacydev.net/pic/orig/media%2FGTwzBKtbsAAqLE6.jpg

[sunday]

1 hour ago, Stargrunt6 said:

Como así tienes, mantengalo, compadre

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Not my thing, but interesting.

[Stargrunt6]

I like the song, I just hate the cultural baggage that got attached to it.

[Ivanhoe]

10 hours ago, Stargrunt6 said:

Look up the top 10 songs in the last 5 years in the hip hop charts. Read their lyrics.

Compare to the top 5 songs in pop.

Name a song that isn't hip hop or R&b that refers to women as "bitches" or "ho's."

Look up illegitimacy statistics by race.

Some social commentator, forgot who, asserted that young black men need a father figure. If there isn't one in the home, they'll find one in the gangs.

I recall an interview with Tone Loc. He grew up in a middle class neighborhood in LA, yet took the bus to South Central to hang with the homies, I guess because that was "authentic." To me, that seems like an example of a young mind being vulnerable to pervasive messaging and the harmful effects of an us-against-them value system.

And to state things clearly, messaging that correlates with behavior deserves debate.

https://www.tampabay.com/archive/1996/05/12/the-heavy-burden-of-black-conformity/

Definitely appears to be an example of social contagion, at least to me.

[Mr King]

12 hours ago, Josh said:

 Trump has a couple dozen accusations of sexual assault and a civil suite that found him liable for sexual assault (admitted a much lower bar to clear than a criminal trial). IE, the pussy grab comment seemed to confirm that as a famous person he felt he can get away with sexual assault.

I find the left harping on Trump's sexual proclivities amusing as Biden had his own skeletons in his closet the left was completely fine with covering up or ignoring. The only reason Biden is not the candidate now is because his dementia became too much of a liability for the democrats and not because of any of the sexual crimes he may have committed or been accused of. Kamala has her own sexual deviancy issues, but I think it more inline with just being a whore to get ahead. 

 

 

 

 

 

[Josh]

3 hours ago, Mr King said:

I find the left harping on Trump's sexual proclivities amusing as Biden had his own skeletons in his closet the left was completely fine with covering up or ignoring. The only reason Biden is not the candidate now is because his dementia became too much of a liability for the democrats and not because of any of the sexual crimes he may have committed or been accused of. Kamala has her own sexual deviancy issues, but I think it more inline with just being a whore to get ahead. 

 

 

 

 

 

No doubt, and I never felt good about it and good riddance. But comparing some performance at a rally to the things both Trump and Biden have been accused of seems like a false equivalency. It’s not like Harris herself was saying she had a wet ass pussy. And again, I don’t think Hogan or Rock that much more dignified, and that was the national convention, not some random rally.

[Mr King]

3 minutes ago, Josh said:

it’s not like Harris herself was saying she had a wet ass pussy.

She chose her to represent her campaign at the rally. At the minimum they share the same values. And it was not just a random rally, it was a rally in Atlanta which has a huge black population. So not only is Harris saying these are my values, but she believes they are her black constituents values.

[Josh]

29 minutes ago, Mr King said:

She chose her to represent her campaign at the rally. At the minimum they share the same values. And it was not just a random rally, it was a rally in Atlanta which has a huge black population. So not only is Harris saying these are my values, but she believes they are her black constituents values.

I bow to the superior entertainment choices of the Orange Hulkster.

[Mr King]

1 minute ago, Josh said:

I bow to the superior entertainment choices of the Orange Hulkster.

Nice strawman.

[Skywalkre]

Some local endorsements for Harris.  Note the Mesa mayor is R from a very conservative city.  Endorsements in and of themselves don't mean much, but I'm more curious of what it signals in regards to how many Rs will be vocally opposed to Trump.  Looking up the numbers from '20 the numbers who voted against him were lower than I had remembered, but that was also pre-6Jan and everything that's come out since.

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Why, as a Republican mayor, I support Kamala Harris over Trump

Arizona Republicans like me can emulate Sen. John McCain's motto of 'Country First' and beat back Trump and his threat to democracy.

The time has come for my fellow Arizona Republicans to return to the core foundations of the Grand Old Party.

Our party used to stand for the belief that every Arizonan, no matter their background or circumstances, should have the freedom, opportunity and security to live out their American Dream.  

But since Donald Trump refused to accept the outcome of the 2020 election, Republicans have yet to course correct. The Republican Party with Trump at its helm continues down the path of political extremism, away from focusing on our fundamental freedoms. 

Now more than ever, we need leaders who will put country over party.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/2024/07/29/mesa-mayor-republican-vote-kamala-harris/74583703007/

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Harris is endorsed by border mayors in swing-state Arizona as she faces GOP criticism on immigration

PHOENIX (AP) — Vice President Kamala Harris highlighted endorsements from mayors of border towns in swing-state Arizona Monday as she looks to blunt the impact of Republican criticism of her handling of illegal border crossings.

Harris’ campaign said she was backed by the mayors of Bisbee, Nogales, Somerton, and San Luis, as well as by Yuma County Supervisors Martin Porchas and Tony Reyes. The mayors were elected without party affiliation but represent left-leaning communities. Porchas and Reyes are Democrats.

https://apnews.com/article/kamala-harris-border-endorsements-arizona-efee13f3415d42d952363ad364258af7

[Josh]

1 hour ago, Mr King said:

Nice strawman.

I don’t think it is incomparable: you are discussing an entertainer at a rally and I am discussing entertainers at a convention. Quite honestly, neither of those things are super relevant; they are just mechanisms politicians use to pander to specific demographics. Kid and Megan were both featured because of the demos the respective campaigns thought they would reach, not because anyone wanted to make statements about gun violence against the black community or lite beer.

[DKTanker]

9 hours ago, sunday said:

Not my thing, but interesting.

They lyrics, or the Mexican Polka* style music?

*At least that's how it is referred to in this part of Texas.