Skywalkre Posted July 28, 2024 Posted July 28, 2024 On 7/27/2024 at 8:21 AM, 17thfabn said: There are plenty of moderate Democrats and Republicans. I would say they are the majority in the Republican Party. The problem is the extremes in both parties have an out sized influence in both parties The Trumpers I know fall into two categories: The obnoxious ones. The moderate ones who see Trump as standing up for their values, fighting against DEI, ESG and the extreme trans agenda. Looks like they're a minority in the R party. Pew has a fairly recent piece covering this showing only about a quarter (27%) of Rs/lean-Rs are moderates while almost half (45%) of Ds/lean-Ds are.
rmgill Posted July 28, 2024 Author Posted July 28, 2024 2 hours ago, Skywalkre said: There's zero reason to think Trump will get you anything you want when it comes to fiscal responsibility, either. As I noted X and Y but not z. X - originalist judges that judge law based in law not based on feelings. Y - smaller and or reduced power of the federal government, which will help with deficits. z - absolute less spending. As I said If I get 2 out of 3 then that ain’t bad. 2 hours ago, Skywalkre said: We had two years with him as POTUS and Rs controlling Congress. We were still running deficits (deficits higher than we had at the end of Obama's and Bush II's terms). Grow the economy faster than the budget and you get increased revenue. This is like getting a better job with the same debt, which changes the debt to income ratio. 2 hours ago, Skywalkre said: His tax plan, despite claims at the time and his claims at the debate, was not generating enough revenue to let us start paying down the debt. well is the Biden tax plan to tax unrealized investment gains going to help? You know what people will do, they will stop investing if its not worth the return. 2 hours ago, Skywalkre said: A leader. Someone willing to be honest with people and tackle some tough issues. What issues have Kamala or Biden tackled? How is that cancer moon shot going? The border? Foreign policy? Nice wars we’re having. 2 hours ago, Skywalkre said: Our current spending/entitlement programs are one of those tough issues. There's zero chance we get the deficit under control by not addressing them. Trump is not that leader. Kamala just made a huge claim that Trump wants to touch entitlements. Hows that talking point working for you? 2 hours ago, Skywalkre said: Assuming he wins this Nov he's facing a massive deficit currently. The only way to cut that back is a) collect more revenue b) lower spending or c) both. Grow the economy. Increase the tax base. 2 hours ago, Skywalkre said: For the first you don't necessarily need to raise taxes... you could just fund and modernize the IRS so they can go after wealthier Americans who aren't paying everything they should be. There. You want to accrete more power to the feds. Like you know unwarranted searches of all of our records. To make sure we are all paying proper taxes. That glass slipper fits perfectly. 2 hours ago, Skywalkre said: Problem is... Rs have been against that measure the last year. Why? Cutting spending is only serious if you look at entitlement programs. Can the local PD search your home to make sure you are complying with all local laws? Why not? 2 hours ago, Skywalkre said: I mentioned in another post a few weeks back if you cut back SS spending by half and got rid of just the 10% of Medicare that's fraud and waste (I get it, you'll never 100% eliminate those... but we can do better and a 10% cut with most of it coming from them is still reasonable) you've now cut our deficit in half. That's not even on the table with a Trump administration, though. In fact its actively a talking point of opposition by the Kamala campaign. If he proposes it will Kamala agree with it? No, she will hammer him like a nail.
17thfabn Posted July 28, 2024 Posted July 28, 2024 1 hour ago, Skywalkre said: Looks like they're a minority in the R party. Pew has a fairly recent piece covering this showing only about a quarter (27%) of Rs/lean-Rs are moderates while almost half (45%) of Ds/lean-Ds are. Perhaps. It would be impossible to argue that the top Democrats are moderate. V.P. Harris is down with every left wing, DEI & ESG scheme. President Biden was relatively moderate most of his carrier. Once in office, those he put in charge went hard left.
Josh Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 3 hours ago, 17thfabn said: Perhaps. It would be impossible to argue that the top Democrats are moderate. V.P. Harris is down with every left wing, DEI & ESG scheme. President Biden was relatively moderate most of his carrier. Once in office, those he put in charge went hard left. Counter point: none of the democrats have ever suggested that the constitution should be suspended, that 2024 will be the last time Christians vote, or insisted that their VP was treasonous for not throwing away the votes of multiple states in 2020. Perhaps that happens in the future, but those are things the lead of the GOP has done already. Also he fucked a porn star, paid her off, after his third wife was having a kid and literally said he and Kim Uh were in love. Also he praised Xi and Putin as being very intelligent people. These are all facts anyone can look up.
DKTanker Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 5 hours ago, Skywalkre said: Looks like they're a minority in the R party. Pew has a fairly recent piece covering this showing only about a quarter (27%) of Rs/lean-Rs are moderates while almost half (45%) of Ds/lean-Ds are. But does not define "moderate". Because the responder self identifies it is meaningless. This I believe is especially so with Rep / lean Rep as "moderate" to most of that population equate "moderate" with center leaning left. The inverse is not true, or I've seen little evidence of it. Can you provide examples of Dem / lean Dem who believes a "moderate" is one that is center leaning right? From what I've gleaned is that a "moderate" Democrat is one that follows the pack to the left but would rather it not be so obvious.
Ssnake Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 2 hours ago, Josh said: Also he praised Xi and Putin as being very intelligent people. Which is probably very true. At least one of them is also a murderous psychopath and the other maybe just a psychopath, but that doesn't mean they're not intelligent, even if they occasionally make very stupid decisions.
Josh Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 2 minutes ago, Ssnake said: Which is probably very true. At least one of them is also a murderous psychopath and the other maybe just a psychopath, but that doesn't mean they're not intelligent, even if they occasionally make very stupid decisions. Perhaps, but it hardly strikes me as a great foreign policy. I can’t imagine FDR or Churchill saying Hitler was smart. Or even JFK saying that about Khrushchev. While we’re at it, how does Trump feel about Mao?
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 You never tell a bully how awesome and powerful they are. I learned that in a school playground. That Trump hasnt learned that, despite being the worlds greatest negotiator, is frankly just a bit surprising.
Rick Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 10 hours ago, Skywalkre said: Unless it involves cutting back on entitlement spending like SS and Medicare. Rs have shown they don't want that (remember the Tea Party? all for reigning in government spending... unless it benefited them like those two programs) and Trump has gone along with them in pledging not to try. A good start would be eliminating the bloated bureaucracy that impedes individuals and businesses by a panel of said affected individuals, ie "Drain the Swamp!" Second would be to eliminate the Dept. of Education. Third would be increasing Medicare premiums for folks who use tobacco and/or are grossly obese. Fourth would be to eliminate federal welfare payments to new single parents, for further information on this read Star Parker's Uncle Sam's Plantation. Fifth would be the elimination of The Dept. of Housing and Urban Development. Entitlement spending is a real concern, especially for those who have paid into Medicare and the pyramid scheme of Social Security, who's contributions the Democrats are currently and wish to expand to those who have not paid into the system.
Tim the Tank Nut Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 Churchill famously complimented Rommell during the African campaign....
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 I think that was mainly as a way of motivating his own Generals, most of whom he bullied into attacking to early, and handing Rommel victories on a plate.
rmgill Posted July 29, 2024 Author Posted July 29, 2024 6 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: You never tell a bully how awesome and powerful they are. I learned that in a school playground. That Trump hasnt learned that, despite being the worlds greatest negotiator, is frankly just a bit surprising. Maybe he could withhold ammunition stocks from a long term ally Like Israel in a war?
rmgill Posted July 29, 2024 Author Posted July 29, 2024 4 hours ago, Rick said: A good start would be eliminating the bloated bureaucracy that impedes individuals and businesses by a panel of said affected individuals, ie "Drain the Swamp!" Second would be to eliminate the Dept. of Education. Third would be increasing Medicare premiums for folks who use tobacco and/or are grossly obese. Fourth would be to eliminate federal welfare payments to new single parents, for further information on this read Star Parker's Uncle Sam's Plantation. Fifth would be the elimination of The Dept. of Housing and Urban Development. Entitlement spending is a real concern, especially for those who have paid into Medicare and the pyramid scheme of Social Security, who's contributions the Democrats are currently and wish to expand to those who have not paid into the system. I wonder how many illegals we can add to welfare and medicaid?
DKTanker Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 58 minutes ago, rmgill said: Maybe he could withhold ammunition stocks from a long term ally Like Israel in a war? Or maybe he should have invited Putin to invade Ukraine in 2017 instead waiting for Biden to do so in 2021.
rmgill Posted July 29, 2024 Author Posted July 29, 2024 (edited) Or perhaps he could threaten the US citizenry with tanks, nukes and F15s? Edited July 29, 2024 by rmgill
DKTanker Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 Just now, rmgill said: Or perhaps he could threaten the US citizenry with tanks, nukes and F15s? It's not authoritarian tyranny when our guy does it.
sunday Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 21 minutes ago, DKTanker said: It's not authoritarian tyranny when our guy does it. Pretty much
Murph Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 On way to help fix issues is on day one fire 50% of the federal workforce across the board. Just gone, get rid of them. Do it by odd or even last digit of social security number. Just fire them.
rmgill Posted July 29, 2024 Author Posted July 29, 2024 So, with the DNC, which segment of their party wants smaller government and balanced budgets?
Ivanhoe Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 https://thepostmillennial.com/kamala-told-harvey-milk-democratic-club-she-wanted-to-be-honorary-sex-worker-report Quote According to the Espler Project, a pro-sex work organization, these claims regarding Harris’ comments are accurate. While running for re-election for San Francisco District Attorney in 2007, Harris tried to gain the endorsement of the Harvey Milk Democratic Club and in a public meeting with them described herself as "an honorary sex worker," they said. "We want to have a society that protects the vulnerable and does not allow people to be exploited," Harris said during the CNN segment with Starchild. "Decriminalizing prostitution is simply not going to achieve that." Voting for Harris will certainly bring dignity back to the White House!
Ivanhoe Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 3 hours ago, rmgill said: I wonder how many illegals we can add to welfare and medicaid? That depends. How much money you got?
rmgill Posted July 29, 2024 Author Posted July 29, 2024 12 minutes ago, Ivanhoe said: https://thepostmillennial.com/kamala-told-harvey-milk-democratic-club-she-wanted-to-be-honorary-sex-worker-report Voting for Harris will certainly bring dignity back to the White House! A strange thing about that. In my larger circle of acquaintances in Atlanta, there are a number of folks I know who have repeated the mantra "sex work is real work" while at the same time making very big hay about hating the western patriarchy and men in general. It's an incongruous circle of silly logic that seems to on the one hand want a certain market segment to grow while at the same time seeming to revile their customer base with a caustic fervor.
17thfabn Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 20 minutes ago, Ivanhoe said: That depends. How much money you got? No, the U.S. will just borrow the money as they always do.
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 29, 2024 Posted July 29, 2024 4 hours ago, rmgill said: Maybe he could withhold ammunition stocks from a long term ally Like Israel in a war? Why not, he didn't seem to give a toss about arming Ukraine to avoid a war. And if you think Trump is going to give Bibi all he wants, you are gravely mistaken.
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