Israel/Palestine events

[Mighty_Zuk]

3 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

Rus TG is spreading the video with sounds of gunfight near Israel consulate in Munich https://t.me/boris_rozhin/136266

Today's the 52nd anniversary of the Munich Massacre. Dude just wanted to celebrate, that's all. 

From what I read, there are no casualties. The terrorist died. 

[Roman Alymov]

4 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

Today's the 52nd anniversary of the Munich Massacre. Dude just wanted to celebrate, that's all. 

From what I read, there are no casualties. The terrorist died. 

Video of attacker in action, it looks like he was using bolt action rifle with bayonet

https://t.me/boris_rozhin/136295

Edited September 5, 2024 by Roman Alymov

[Mighty_Zuk]

IDF conducted airstrikes on 3 senior Hamassies today. 

As a result, 40 civilians were killed. Later after the incident, 21 have reportedly become alive again. More are expected to resurrect soon.

 

[Mighty_Zuk]

IDF publishes footage from the tunnel in which 6 hostages were recently murdered.

According to now publicly available information, Eden Yerushalmi, one of the hostages, weighed only 36kg or 79lbs when her body was retrieved. The hostages could not stand erect in the tunnel. It was too low. But were forced to stand nonetheless, and only 2-3 could lie down at a time.

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

They had this on CNN, and I just couldnt bring myself to watch it. Its barbaric.

[Mighty_Zuk]

10 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

They had this on CNN, and I just couldnt bring myself to watch it. Its barbaric.

Thanks for empathizing with victims of something taking place thousands of kilometers away.

[old_goat]

Israel protecting europe from migration? Absolutely not! Israel's plan is to drive palestinians from their homeland, become migrants and go to "western countries". And that means Europe...

 

[Mighty_Zuk]

Sure goaty.
Now onto real stuff.

 

Former head of Israel's National Security Council, Giora Eiland, proposed what is now dubbed the "Eiland Plan", and is being seriously considered by the Israeli government.

The plan is basically to classify northern Gaza, everything north of the Netzarim corridor, as a closed military zone.

https://www.kan.org.il/content/kan-news/defense/799621/

Gaza City will subsequently be evacuated to south of the corridor. It is currently home to 300,000 people. They will be relocated to various humanitarian zones. Gaza City has seen significant destruction during this war. Being closest to Israel's central cities, it's where Hamas put most of its terror infrastructure. Much of it will therefore have to be razed before being rebuilt anyway, if it's to be repopulated. By acquiring this territory, the Palestinian artillery threat will be substantially reduced. 

It's also a necessary cost saving measure, as Israel's struggling to finance the war. This plan could shorten Israel's border with Gaza by almost 20km, making security much easier and less manpower-intensive, also something the IDF is in shortage of.

 

I'm not convinced it will solidify into a permanent arrangement as the core mission to be achieved with this is to pressure Hamas to accept an agreement, in the absence of opportunities for military pressure. This move is estimated to pit Gaza's population against Hamas.

 

  

1 hour ago, old_goat said:

Israel protecting europe from migration? Absolutely not! Israel's plan is to drive palestinians from their homeland, become migrants and go to "western countries". And that means Europe...

Why are you so against Palestinian immigrants? Poor people just want to be safe from bloodthirsty Jews Zionist war criminals. I thought they had your sympathy. Why did you abandon them? 

Edited September 13, 2024 by Mighty_Zuk

[Murph]

Not sure if it a mass SHOOTING, but 9 Hezbollah turds dead, and 2800 wounded.  It is a good start.  A VERY good start.  Now the Israeli's just need to kill more of them. And anyone who supports them.  

OMG so beautiful.  No Balls Hezbollah!  HAHAHAHAHA!

 

 

[rmgill]

Bomb in his bag? OR cel phone bomb? That looks good enough to blow the femoral and other abdominal vessels in that location...

OH!

Isreal planted HE in pagers shipped from Iran while in Iran that were sent to Hezbollah? 
 

 

Edited September 17, 2024 by rmgill

[rmgill]

Larger thread of details...

20 grams of PETN with detonation triggered due to battery overheating...
 

 

Edited September 17, 2024 by rmgill

[Ivanhoe]

[Yama]

On 8/5/2024 at 12:50 AM, Mighty_Zuk said:

Considering the Arab states immediately launched an invasion against Israel, and the local Arabs rejected any notion of statehood nor made any other effort to nationalize and form a state - what other option did Israel have?

Win the war but give up the territories? Then it wouldn't have defensive capability which is necessary now that it's established its neighbors wanted to eradicate it.

You DID give up the territories, but then you got this dumb idea to reacquire them.

[Yama]

On 8/5/2024 at 2:24 PM, Markus Becker said:

That was the Entente's solution for the aftermath of the Ottoman breakup. 90+ % for the Arabs, the small, rather poor and sparsly inhabited rest for the Jews. Who happened to have lived there for millennia. 

The Arabs wanted everything. 

Once again:  the solution made absolutely no guarantees about the borders, or the nature of 'Jewish national home'. So any attempt to justify any current or prospective borders by it is as misguided as it can get.

[Mighty_Zuk]

6 minutes ago, Yama said:

You DID give up the territories, but then you got this dumb idea to reacquire them.

Which territories and why is it dumb? Israel is in serious shortage of strategic depth. Every piece of territory it has is critical. 

I'd dare say Israel should acquire new territories if its neighbors can't behave.

[Yama]

Just now, Mighty_Zuk said:

Which territories and why is it dumb? Israel is in serious shortage of strategic depth. Every piece of territory it has is critical. 

Strategic depth against whom? How close to Tel Aviv Palestinian armoured divisions are getting?

And if the territory is acquired for strategic reasons - why it is occupied by civilians? 

[glenn239]

53 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

I'd dare say Israel should acquire new territories if its neighbors can't behave.

 Do you think you are helping Israel's cause or hurting it in your comments on this site?

[sunday]

1 minute ago, glenn239 said:

 Do you think you are helping Israel's cause or hurting it in your comments on this site?

Good question.

[crazyinsane105]

1 hour ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

Which territories and why is it dumb? Israel is in serious shortage of strategic depth. Every piece of territory it has is critical. 

I'd dare say Israel should acquire new territories if its neighbors can't behave.

I mean, you guys tried that in south Lebanon and managed to turn a rather friendly Shia population into an extremely hostile one. Not necessarily the best achievement I’d say

[Markus Becker]

3 hours ago, Yama said:

Once again:  the solution made absolutely no guarantees about the borders, or the nature of 'Jewish national home'. So any attempt to justify any current or prospective borders by it is as misguided as it can get.

Definitely so considering that 3/4 of the planned Jewish nation state were taken away in the early 20s to create (Trans) Jordan. 

Nevertheless, every time some colony in Africa became independent, the new nation ofc had the borders of the colony. Same in the Middle East with the exception of ... Israel. 

[sunday]

I prefer to treat man to man what I intended to treat.

Edited September 18, 2024 by sunday

[Ivanhoe]

So, 2nd phase apparently has been handheld radios (presumably 2-way radios such as FRS/GMRS). 

Also unconfirmed reports of rooftop solar panels blowing. 

Mossad is off the hook!

 

[Murph]

God bless the Mossad and Israel.  This is wonderful.  The Iranian Ambassador in Lebanon was blinded by his terrorist pager, that is great news.  Keep it up!

 

 

[R011]

1 hour ago, Markus Becker said:

Definitely so considering that 3/4 of the planned Jewish nation state were taken away in the early 20s to create (Trans) Jordan. 

Nevertheless, every time some colony in Africa became independent, the new nation ofc had the borders of the colony. Same in the Middle East with the exception of ... Israel. 

Taken away as soon as the Mandate was formed.  Transjordan was never actually part of Mandatory  Palestine.  And as Yama pointed out, the British left it vague what a Jewish Homeland meant.

On the other hand, the local Arabs, especially the landowner class, hated the Jewish immigrants anyway.  There was no chance of a Palestine where immigrants and natives coexisted peacefully in a jointly run democratic state.

[Mighty_Zuk]

4 hours ago, glenn239 said:

 Do you think you are helping Israel's cause or hurting it in your comments on this site?

This is my favorite type of cognitive dissonance: Fascism.

Telling another person he must possess very specific opinions in the service of his state,

While roaming a forum where free speech is possible.

5 hours ago, Yama said:

Strategic depth against whom? How close to Tel Aviv Palestinian armoured divisions are getting?

According to a 20 second search on Google Maps, about 5km.

5 hours ago, Yama said:

And if the territory is acquired for strategic reasons - why it is occupied by civilians? 

Could you imagine civilians living inside a country? Shocking!

 

3 minutes ago, R011 said:

On the other hand, the local Arabs, especially the landowner class, hated the Jewish immigrants anyway.  There was no chance of a Palestine where immigrants and natives coexisted peacefully in a jointly run democratic state.

Evident in the dozens of pogroms committed against Jews, decades before the British withdrew.

Edited September 18, 2024 by Mighty_Zuk