Mighty_Zuk Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 (edited) 27 minutes ago, old_goat said: Nice try, but your politicians and members of your Einsatzgruppen confirmed multiple times that the "queef" is real What in the sprechen ze deutsch is that? 27 minutes ago, old_goat said: Ambatukam No. Edited July 27 by Mighty_Zuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 This guy was recently in Gaza and reported from Rafah. Given a full tour there, in the IDF, and met with the president. What he says here is something I also witnessed. Sometimes the strikes in question are a multi-year process that's at the center of some people's entire service - only to be cancelled in the last minute because of proximity to civilians. So literally none can claim to me with a straight face that we target civilians or strike disproportionately without making a complete fool of themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 I know some here love doubting Israel's rule of law and portray it as a haven for lawlessness and inhumanity, but the facts on the ground prove otherwise. Despite the ICJ, despite the UN, despite the government's attacks on the judiciary, and contrary to popular opinion - There is a strong rule of law and today we get an amazing piece of evidence for it. Following complaints of abuse of Nukhba prisoners in the Sde Teiman detention center, the IDF's MAG ordered an investigation and Israeli Military Police officers arrived to confront soldiers in Sde Teiman. Nukhba is the Hamas group that committed the 7/10 attack. Detaining POWs and providing them proper medical care and humane detention is standard for western liberal democracies. Israel does not stand out here. However, many seem to believe that Israel just murders women and elderly children, and so would have no issue killing the Nukhbaists, and certainly wouldn't take punitive measures against abuse of those who don't deserve to live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 This is apparently an evolving event so here's a good summary first by Mr Fox on Israel's military justice system. It should give some context into today's events. In the video in the previous post, we can see MP arriving to detain 9 soldiers in the Sde Teiman base. A mutiny ensues, and they refuse to leave. The 9 soldiers were eventually successfully detained and brought to the Beit Lid MP base for interrogation. Far right and far left (typical horseshoe stuff) channel 14 posted a request for all reservists to come to Beit Lid base and "support" the soldiers detained in Sde Teiman, by "resisting" police. Soon after, a mob of far right activists attempted to storm the Beit Lid base, eventually going through the gate and then into the court building. But so far it doesn't seem like they've succeeded in doing anything. The police force is controlled by the minister of some sort of national security. By his orders, the police arrived late, under-staffed, and under-equipped. It's not a large scale, but it's the largest scale mutiny I've witnessed in the IDF, although it is mostly done by civilians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 On 7/27/2024 at 4:59 PM, old_goat said: Nice try, but your politicians and members of your Einsatzgruppen confirmed multiple times that the "myth" is reality in fact... "We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly,” Israel’s Defence Minister, Yoav Gallant, said, describing the Israeli military’s response just days after Hamas’ attack. “We will eliminate everything - they will regret it,” Gallant added. Have you reviewed the siege of Aachen in WWII? What was the warning given there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 When will we see Hamas arrest it's members who raped prisoners or murdered prisoners on October 7? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 On 7/27/2024 at 6:25 PM, Mighty_Zuk said: So literally none can claim to me with a straight face that we target civilians or strike disproportionately without making a complete fool of themselves The concern is not that the Israelis deliberately kill civilians, it's that its ROE permit far too many civilian casualties in the pursuit of targets of even marginal military value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) . Edited July 30 by sunday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 6 hours ago, glenn239 said: The concern is not that the Israelis deliberately kill civilians, it's that its ROE permit far too many civilian casualties in the pursuit of targets of even marginal military value. I have never met a person who raised that concern, who can actually elaborate on the RoE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 148 Gazan in need of specialist treatment, along with their escorts, were transported from Gaza via the Kerem Shalom crossing to the Ramon airport where they will board a plane to the UAE. Typically, in peace-time, Israel just provides treatment itself. But this could be a gesture as Israel, USA, and Arab partners are building a coalition to govern Gaza and this requires legitimization for the incoming government within Gaza. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) And the Egyptians say they're unaware of any tunnels. Yeah, right. It's an financial lifeline for the corrupt military leadership in the Sinai. Edited August 4 by Mighty_Zuk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 On 7/22/2024 at 7:59 PM, Markus Becker said: Yes, the existing Arab population had OFC civil and religious rights confirmed but the ones with the national rights were the Jews. And wrt to the Jewish National Home covering all of Palestine. It indeed did not. Already in the early 1920 the British split the eastern part -75% of Palestine- and rebranded it Transjordan. Yet another Arab National Home. And how many 'national homes' Germans have? Would it be OK for say, Italians to invade Switzerland and decide that Swiss Germans don't need the territory? After all, they can move to Germany or Austria or Liechtenstein.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 2 minutes ago, Yama said: And how many 'national homes' Germans have? Would it be OK for say, Italians to invade Switzerland and decide that Swiss Germans don't need the territory? After all, they can move to Germany or Austria or Liechtenstein.... Jews didn't invade British Mandatory Palestine. They collected donations and purchased lands until a somewhat coherent landmass was established. Then petitioned to the UN to form a state in that land. What's illegitimate about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yama Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Just now, Mighty_Zuk said: Jews didn't invade British Mandatory Palestine. They collected donations and purchased lands until a somewhat coherent landmass was established. Then petitioned to the UN to form a state in that land. What's illegitimate about that? That they didn't stop there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 9 minutes ago, Yama said: That they didn't stop there. Considering the Arab states immediately launched an invasion against Israel, and the local Arabs rejected any notion of statehood nor made any other effort to nationalize and form a state - what other option did Israel have? Win the war but give up the territories? Then it wouldn't have defensive capability which is necessary now that it's established its neighbors wanted to eradicate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 48 minutes ago, Yama said: That they didn't stop there. @Yama, you may find this relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Becker Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 13 hours ago, Yama said: And how many 'national homes' Germans have? Would it be OK for say, Italians to invade Switzerland and decide that Swiss Germans don't need the territory? After all, they can move to Germany or Austria or Liechtenstein.... That was the Entente's solution for the aftermath of the Ottoman breakup. 90+ % for the Arabs, the small, rather poor and sparsly inhabited rest for the Jews. Who happened to have lived there for millennia. The Arabs wanted everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 1 minute ago, Stuart Galbraith said: This is great. But I have a feeling it's just a token to show they've done something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 I'm inclined to think if they fired nearly half, it was most likely all of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futon Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 Sources have told NHK that Japan's Defense Ministry will send a team of officials to Israel's neighbors. The team is likely to make arrangements for possible missions to evacuate Japanese citizens. Tensions continue to rise in the Middle East. Iran is preparing retaliatory attacks against Israel after a top official of the Islamic group Hamas was killed in Tehran. Violence between the Lebanon-based Shia Muslim group Hezbollah and the Israeli military has been escalating. Since the fighting between Israel and Hamas erupted last October, the ministry has had Japan Self-Defense Forces aircraft on stand-by to fly Japanese nationals and others out of Israel. The ministry conducted evacuation missions in October and November. The Foreign Ministry says about 60 Japanese nationals are in Lebanon, and more than 1,000 in Israel. They are being urged to consider leaving the countries while commercial flights are available. https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/news/20240807_04/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_goat Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 According to Smotrich, it might be ‘justified and moral’ to cause 2 million Gazans to die of hunger... This statement alone busts all myths MZ spreads here about Israel tries to do everything as humanly as possible. Despite all israeli propaganda, they are definitely going for the genocide road. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/smotrich-might-be-justified-and-moral-to-cause-2-million-gazans-to-die-of-hunger-but-world-wont-let-us/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 3 minutes ago, old_goat said: According to Smotrich, it might be ‘justified and moral’ to cause 2 million Gazans to die of hunger... This statement alone busts all myths MZ spreads here about Israel tries to do everything as humanly as possible. Despite all israeli propaganda, they are definitely going for the genocide road. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/smotrich-might-be-justified-and-moral-to-cause-2-million-gazans-to-die-of-hunger-but-world-wont-let-us/ One must to be careful with comments that could be taken as antisemitism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_goat Posted August 8 Share Posted August 8 1 minute ago, sunday said: One must to be careful with comments that could be taken as antisemitism. Thats quite funny, because there is nothing here that would be offensive against jews. On the other hand, Smotrich's rhetoric is not much different than Himmler's back then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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