Israel/Palestine events

[Mighty_Zuk]

Hezbollah promised to increase the range of their rocket attacks. I know they have, due to the increasing number of air raid alarms in my city. But someone actually plotted it.

Every tic is one month, starting October 2023 until July 2024.

Netanyahu doesn't care about the north. It'll continue. But some day, whether via a change of government or something else - there will come a day of judgment for Hezbollah, and they will find that Israel's traditional tolerance to their existence will substantially reduce, if not outright disappear.

Netanyahu's weakness resulted in a rise in popularity of right wing parties which now threaten his rule - and his left wing coalition partners. Given time, these will come to power and take a much more hawkish stance particularly on Hezbollah and Iran.

 

According to IDF's telegram channel, the 228th brigade has undergone another brigade level exercise. Doing more than one signals that likely any unit the IDF earmarked for an operation in Lebanon has already been trained for the unique circumstances of Lebanon and has been refreshed on basic skills and combat capability.

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IDF: “Ready, Willing and Determined to Defeat the Enemy” - The 228th Brigade is Increasing Readiness for Combat in Lebanon

This week, the 228th Reserve Brigade of the Northern Command completed a brigade-level exercise led by the Ground Forces Training Center. The troops practiced combat scenarios in Lebanon, including movement in thicketed terrain, advancing along mountainous routes, the activation of fire, evacuating wounded soldiers under fire, and logistical and communications support from headquarters.

This is the second deployment of the 228th Brigade along the northern border since the start of the war and the unit continues to be a significant part of the IDF's defensive and offensive operations along the western part of the border with Lebanon.

 

Edited July 24 by Mighty_Zuk

[Perun]

Ben Gvir announces that status quo at Al Aqsa / Temple Mount has been changed, that means more violance...

 

[Perun]

Demonstration in Washington DC against Israel apartheid and genocidal policy. Manny Jews are amongst demonstrators

 

[Perun]

Number of key politicians are not attending Netanyahu's speech Washington DC

 

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is speaking to Congress on Wednesday about Israel’s ongoing war with Hamas, and a number of key Democrats—including Vice President Kamala Harris and former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi—are not attending the controversial address as tensions between the U.S. and Israel continue.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybohannon/2024/07/24/who-is-skipping-netanyahus-congress-address-kamala-harris-nancy-pelosi-and-other-big-names/

[Perun]

US Unions demand that US stop's arming Israel. Interesting surename of Union president.

 

 

Several major unions representing millions of workers sent a letter to the White House on Tuesday, July 23, calling for an end to U.S. military aid to Israel. It argues that halting military aid l is crucial for achieving peace in the Middle East, as previous ceasefire negotiations between Israel and Hamas have not succeeded.“We demand an immediate ceasefire. The best way to achieve this is by cutting off U.S. military aid to Israel,” Mark Dimondstein, president of the American Postal Workers Union, wrote.

https://thenationalpulse.com/2024/07/24/unions-demand-biden-harris-government-stop-arming-israel-amid-netanyahu-visit/

[Stuart Galbraith]

I was talking about these the other day, glad I didn't imagine it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/WeirdWings/s/qXhlTLfsfw

[Mighty_Zuk]

4 posts in the span of 8 minutes @Perun just bunch them all up in 1 post or move it to the FFZ. None of it is even related to military events.

[Stuart Galbraith]

When I do it, I get called a wall of text by the usual suspect.

 

[Perun]

Anti Palestinian propaganda at work, but failed

 

 

Edited July 24 by Perun

[Perun]

Another series of antitank battles of 3 day police pacifist operation in Gaza 

 

[Mighty_Zuk]

19 minutes ago, Perun said:

Another series of antitank battles of 3 day police pacifist operation in Gaza 

 

The thumbnail shows 2 tanks and an APC but the video shows none. It's just a video about ambushing an IDF squad clearing a building.

[R011]

I don't recall Israelis claiming the Gaza operation would be quick or easy, and not too many people people here, if any.  "Three day operation" sounds as if someone is trying to equate Israeli retaliation after a major terrorist incident with unprovoked Russian aggression in Ukraine.

[Mighty_Zuk]

3 minutes ago, R011 said:

I don't recall Israelis claiming the Gaza operation would be quick or easy, and not too many people people here, if any.  "Three day operation" sounds as if someone is trying to equate Israeli retaliation after a major terrorist incident with unprovoked Russian aggression in Ukraine.

That is true. From day one every important politician and military figure said not only the war would be long, but that it may take many months if not years. It was also called a war on day one, not an operation.

 

Also, interesting thing in J&S today. As some may already know, the IDF has a policy of demolishing the houses of terrorists. The family always gets plenty of time to appeal to a court, even anonymously, with condemnation of the attack. But if they choose not to appeal, the house/apartment gets torn down. Now, I never served there so I don't know the usual methods. I am aware of non-explosive demolition, typically done on small houses with bulldozers. I'm also aware of sealing the apartment with concrete. And I am aware of blowing up houses when there are shooters holed up. But I have yet to witness blowing up an apartment like this. 

By the way, this is a policy Israel inherited from the British mandate, and IMO it's quite effective. And as they say, it does look quite spectacular.

 

[Roman Alymov]

7 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

That is true. From day one every important politician and military figure said not only the war would be long, but that it may take many months if not years.

For uears before "big war" (as events have started in 2014. not in 2022) next to all pro-Russians were saying that it will be long war, and every day of posponing direct intervention of regular Russian forces is making the war longer and more costly. Still, the West is calling it "three day war".....

8 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

 It was also called a war on day one, not an operation.

So what, wars in Iraq and A=stan were also "operations" ( and even got nice names like "Operation Iraqi Freedom")

   By the way, about the safety of ethnic Jews - below is interesting point of view of Baghdad Jew. "Sionism is Ashkenazi thing"(c)

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

8 hours ago, R011 said:

I don't recall Israelis claiming the Gaza operation would be quick or easy, and not too many people people here, if any.  "Three day operation" sounds as if someone is trying to equate Israeli retaliation after a major terrorist incident with unprovoked Russian aggression in Ukraine.

Pretty much, yeah. In fact Netanyahu said that it was going to be along haul, right at the beginning to my best recollection.

[Stuart Galbraith]

8 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

That is true. From day one every important politician and military figure said not only the war would be long, but that it may take many months if not years. It was also called a war on day one, not an operation.

 

Also, interesting thing in J&S today. As some may already know, the IDF has a policy of demolishing the houses of terrorists. The family always gets plenty of time to appeal to a court, even anonymously, with condemnation of the attack. But if they choose not to appeal, the house/apartment gets torn down. Now, I never served there so I don't know the usual methods. I am aware of non-explosive demolition, typically done on small houses with bulldozers. I'm also aware of sealing the apartment with concrete. And I am aware of blowing up houses when there are shooters holed up. But I have yet to witness blowing up an apartment like this. 

By the way, this is a policy Israel inherited from the British mandate, and IMO it's quite effective. And as they say, it does look quite spectacular.

 

IIRC, we also did something like it in the Suez canal zone, though it didnt win us many friends. OTOH, I dont think making friends is a problem you are likely to run into.

 

[Mighty_Zuk]

9 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

IIRC, we also did something like it in the Suez canal zone, though it didnt win us many friends. OTOH, I dont think making friends is a problem you are likely to run into.

Perhaps. I heard the criticism about this, which mainly revolved about the IDF not doing a proper study on its effect on motivation for terrorist activity. But the circumstances are different. There was a time this practice was abandoned, but it's now popular again particularly in light of the PA's terror budget that rewards terrorists proportionately to the severity of the attack. So it's now more an economical offset. A terrorist that manages to kill a Jew, basically sets his family up real nice. 

 

Yesterday there were rumors about bodies of hostages being recovered so the IDF issued an announcement. Bodies of 5 hostages were indeed recovered and are now back in Israel. Their families were notified. 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/bodies-of-slain-hostages-recovered-by-military-returned-to-israel/

The rumors started when a soldier filmed and uploaded in near real time a video of himself in an APC with 5 body bags. The operation was secret and even if it wasn't - the IDF has a policy of processing bodies or rescued people, identifying them, telling their families and reuniting them, and only later issue a public statement. Not only is this entirely irresponsible, but this is also an absolutely reprehensible act and I hope this guy faces jail time. Blowing a military operation, uploading classified information online mid-operation, humiliating families of the hostages, and mocking the dead. 

I won't post the video for obvious reasons but here's a Twit with some explanation and stills. 

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

20 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

Perhaps. I heard the criticism about this, which mainly revolved about the IDF not doing a proper study on its effect on motivation for terrorist activity. But the circumstances are different. There was a time this practice was abandoned, but it's now popular again particularly in light of the PA's terror budget that rewards terrorists proportionately to the severity of the attack. So it's now more an economical offset. A terrorist that manages to kill a Jew, basically sets his family up real nice. 

 

Yesterday there were rumors about bodies of hostages being recovered so the IDF issued an announcement. Bodies of 5 hostages were indeed recovered and are now back in Israel. Their families were notified. 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/bodies-of-slain-hostages-recovered-by-military-returned-to-israel/

The rumors started when a soldier filmed and uploaded in near real time a video of himself in an APC with 5 body bags. The operation was secret and even if it wasn't - the IDF has a policy of processing bodies or rescued people, identifying them, telling their families and reuniting them, and only later issue a public statement. Not only is this entirely irresponsible, but this is also an absolutely reprehensible act and I hope this guy faces jail time. Blowing a military operation, uploading classified information online mid-operation, humiliating families of the hostages, and mocking the dead. 

I won't post the video for obvious reasons but here's a Twit with some explanation and stills. 

 

As far as the logic of the policy, I can see it. I wouldnt complain about it. The problem is, I dont think it works. All those folks who ran into israel on 7th of October murdering and multilating, didnt give a monkeys shit about what effect it might subsequently have on their familys houses. Its rather like the death sentence for murder, yes, I can see a narrow logic for it. But it never seems to deter anyone either.

If you think thats bad, there was a double murder in the Uk where two young women were murdered, and the police were sharing pictures of the corpses via Snapchat. I hope, just like the two police in that incident, that trooper gets shitcanned.

 

[Mighty_Zuk]

1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

As far as the logic of the policy, I can see it. I wouldnt complain about it. The problem is, I dont think it works. All those folks who ran into israel on 7th of October murdering and multilating, didnt give a monkeys shit about what effect it might subsequently have on their familys houses. Its rather like the death sentence for murder, yes, I can see a narrow logic for it. But it never seems to deter anyone either.

Rotten apples to rotten and wormy apples.

What deters Gazans is not what deters Ramallahns.

Soldier who filmed body bags of Israeli hostages in APC during their recovery - jailed for 10 days and ousted from army.

The army doesn't have the same authority as the civilian justice system. Sentences are different and much less harsh. But it's definitely possible to put him on civilian trial later as well.

 

Edited July 25 by Mighty_Zuk

[Mighty_Zuk]

I posted here earlier that the IDF ordered the evacuation of a thin strip of the humanitarian zone. It now seems the 5 hostages' bodies were recovered from there.

The IDF issued a statement earlier saying it believed they were killed on October 7th, and not executed in captivity.

 

[Der Zeitgeist]

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

I cant get around the idea of murdering people, and then abducting the bodies to try and exchange later. Fucking sick.

[Mighty_Zuk]

Another slight reduction and adjustment of the humanitarian zone. The cleared area is small, but includes a saturation of rocket launching infrastructure. It's estimated that many of the remaining hostages are in the humanitarian zone.

 

[Mighty_Zuk]

Research into fully registered* Palestinian casualties in Gaza shows there are significant excess male deaths in every age category between 13-17.

 * Fully registered = name, age, sex, occupation (some like journalist, doctors, etc) how the person died, etc.

While 16 year old child soldiers are very common in J&S, it is now clear that in Gaza Hamas uses child soldiers as young as 13 years old. 

 

One commenter mentioned a source of fully registered casualties being Shireen Observatory. They provide details about every casualty.

https://www.shireen.ps/martyrs/year/2024

I don't know if they're aware of it, but their work debunks the two myths that Israel either targets women, children, and elderly, or attacks indiscriminately. 

The listed casualties are predominantly males of fighting age. 

Edited July 27 by Mighty_Zuk

[old_goat]

6 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

I don't know if they're aware of it, but their work debunks the two myths that Israel either targets women, children, and elderly, or attacks indiscriminately. 

Nice try, but your politicians and members of your Einsatzgruppen confirmed multiple times that the "myth" is reality in fact...

"We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly,” Israel’s Defence Minister, Yoav Gallant, said, describing the Israeli military’s response just days after Hamas’ attack. “We will eliminate everything - they will regret it,” Gallant added.

"There will be no electricity and no water (in Gaza), there will only be destruction. You wanted hell, you will get hell," Maj. Gen. Ghassan Alian, who heads the Israeli army’s Coordination of Government Activities in the Palestinian Territories "

"Moshe Feiglin, the founder of Israel's right-wing Zehut Party and former Likud representative in Israel’s parliament, has also called for the complete destruction of Gaza.

“There is one and only (one) solution, which is to completely destroy Gaza before invading it. I mean destruction like what happened in Dresden and Hiroshima, without nuclear weapons,” he said.

https://www.trtworld.com/middle-east/database-exposes-500-instances-of-israeli-incitement-to-genocide-in-gaza-16537146

https://www.newarab.com/analysis/erase-gaza-how-genocidal-rhetoric-normalised-israel

Its time for the international community to impose the harshest sanctions ever in humanity on Israel to stop this.

Edited July 27 by old_goat