Israel/Palestine events

[MODERATOR]

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[Perun]

 

 

[Mighty_Zuk]

1 hour ago, Perun said:

 

 

This thread was just opened and you post this bait?

 

@MODERATOR I propose that each comment must include at least several lines of personal input or analysis, and not just random media.

[sunday]

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-aid-humanitarian-nonprofit-69582d193ce270d63d5865ac0ead2df0

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Far-right groups that block aid to Gaza receive tax-deductible donations from US and Israel

BY  URI BLAU, MILAN CZERNY OF SHOMRIM AND JOSEF FEDERMAN OF THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Updated 5:10 PM GMT+2, July 16, 2024

JERUSALEM (AP) — Under American pressure, Israel has pledged to deliver large quantities of humanitarian aid into the war-ravaged Gaza Strip. But at the same time, the U.S. and Israel have allowed tax-deductible donations to far-right groups that have blocked that aid from being delivered.

Three groups that have prevented humanitarian aid from reaching Gaza — including one accused of looting or destroying supplies — have raised more than $200,000 from donors in the U.S. and Israel, The Associated Press and the Israeli investigative site Shomrim have found in an examination of crowdfunding websites and other public records.

Incentivizing these donations by making them tax-deductible runs counter to America’s and Israel’s stated commitments to allow unlimited food, water and medicine into Gaza, say groups working to get more aid into the territory. Donations have continued even after the U.S. imposed sanctions against one of these groups.

By not cracking down on these groups, Israel is showing a “lack of coherence” in its Gaza aid policy, said Tania Hary, executive director of Gisha, an Israeli nonprofit that has long called on Israel to improve conditions in the territory.

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Israel has said repeatedly it does not restrict humanitarian aid and that the United Nations has failed to distribute thousands of truckloads of goods that have reached the territory. The U.N. and aid groups say deliveries have repeatedly been hampered by military operations, lawlessness inside Gaza and delays in Israeli inspections.

Is the government of the State of Israel truthful in these matters?

Edited July 16 by sunday

[Perun]

8 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

This thread was just opened and you post this bait?

 

@MODERATOR I propose that each comment must include at least several lines of personal input or analysis, and not just random media.

Afraid of truth, are you 🙂

Unfortunately for you ther is no censorship here 😁

[Mighty_Zuk]

8 hours ago, sunday said:

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-aid-humanitarian-nonprofit-69582d193ce270d63d5865ac0ead2df0

Is the government of the State of Israel truthful in these matters?

Judging by evidence, yes.

The volume of aid coming into Gaza is fully transparent and Israel and the UN both provide ample data on it. There is also visual evidence that is publicly accessible. The aid terminals are open and can be seen from street cameras, satellites, and there are news feeds showing them.

Whether some protesters come to disturb the process is irrelevant. They may attempt to delay one truck here and there, but it does not seem to have any effect on the overall aid input.

The UN's declared capacity to distribute aid from aid terminals across Gaza is lower than the IDF's delivery capacity to said aid terminals by more than one order of magnitude.

Daily Israeli input has, IIRC, surpassed 500 truckloads, excluding aid coming via other ways such as water via pipelines.

The UN distributes 40-50 truckloads per day. This led to the IDF occasionally halting deliveries as the aid terminals are overflown.

 

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Barak pics.

 

 

Edited July 17 by Mighty_Zuk

[Tim the Tank Nut]

I'm not a moderator but I have been following TankNet for decades.  I think the habit of posting a link with no additional content is bad.  If the poster finds the link worthy of bringing it to our attention then the poster should at least explain their reasoning.  It doesn't have to be a long explanation, just a synopsis would be plenty good enough.  Otherwise we end up with what amounts to the entire internet posted here in semi random links.  Some time ago the random link posting was frowned upon here.  There wasn't a hard rule against it but it was much less prevalent.  The links remind me of spam as they are relentless and nobody has the time to watch each individual clip to see what it is all about anyway.  We don't need Moderator to force this adjustment on us, we just need to be aware that TankNet had a good reutation for an internet forum for a very long time.  Everything we post here as a community is visible to anyone who choses to look for it so try to post as if a lot of people were reading and critiquing your post because they unquestionably are.  If we're just filling up the threads with posts from X/Twitter then we might as well go straight there and not stop here along the way.

[sunday]

38 minutes ago, Tim the Tank Nut said:

I'm not a moderator but I have been following TankNet for decades.  I think the habit of posting a link with no additional content is bad.  If the poster finds the link worthy of bringing it to our attention then the poster should at least explain their reasoning.  It doesn't have to be a long explanation, just a synopsis would be plenty good enough.  Otherwise we end up with what amounts to the entire internet posted here in semi random links.  Some time ago the random link posting was frowned upon here.  There wasn't a hard rule against it but it was much less prevalent.  The links remind me of spam as they are relentless and nobody has the time to watch each individual clip to see what it is all about anyway.  We don't need Moderator to force this adjustment on us, we just need to be aware that TankNet had a good reutation for an internet forum for a very long time.  Everything we post here as a community is visible to anyone who choses to look for it so try to post as if a lot of people were reading and critiquing your post because they unquestionably are.  If we're just filling up the threads with posts from X/Twitter then we might as well go straight there and not stop here along the way.

If I recall correctly, the opening post on a thread should not be a bare link, and should have some commentary to establish the tone of the thread. Answering posts could be a link related with the topic of the post, possibly with recent updates on the topic. See the thread on vulcanology, for instance.

Of course, it is better, and more courteous, to post a brief of the contents of a link to facilitate a quick reading, IMHO.

[Stuart Galbraith]

44 minutes ago, Tim the Tank Nut said:

I'm not a moderator but I have been following TankNet for decades.  I think the habit of posting a link with no additional content is bad.  If the poster finds the link worthy of bringing it to our attention then the poster should at least explain their reasoning.  It doesn't have to be a long explanation, just a synopsis would be plenty good enough.  Otherwise we end up with what amounts to the entire internet posted here in semi random links.  Some time ago the random link posting was frowned upon here.  There wasn't a hard rule against it but it was much less prevalent.  The links remind me of spam as they are relentless and nobody has the time to watch each individual clip to see what it is all about anyway.  We don't need Moderator to force this adjustment on us, we just need to be aware that TankNet had a good reutation for an internet forum for a very long time.  Everything we post here as a community is visible to anyone who choses to look for it so try to post as if a lot of people were reading and critiquing your post because they unquestionably are.  If we're just filling up the threads with posts from X/Twitter then we might as well go straight there and not stop here along the way.

Fair point. I wouldnt mind seeing a sticky to that end on each section, so we are all mindful of it.

[MODERATOR]

16 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

This thread was just opened and you post this bait?

 

@MODERATOR I propose that each comment must include at least several lines of personal input or analysis, and not just random media.

MODERATOR AGREES,  SO FROM HENCEFORTH ALL TOPICS OUTSIDE OF THE FFZ WILL REQUIRE SOME COMMENT HOWEVER MINIMAL PLEASE. PLUS ROE REQUIRES SOME COMMENT.

[sunday]

32 minutes ago, MODERATOR said:

ALL TOPICS OUTSIDE OF THE FFZ

Only initial post of a topic thread or all posts in a thread?

Edited July 17 by sunday

[Perun]

33 minutes ago, MODERATOR said:

MODERATOR AGREES,  SO FROM HENCEFORTH ALL TOPICS OUTSIDE OF THE FFZ WILL REQUIRE SOME COMMENT HOWEVER MINIMAL PLEASE. PLUS ROE REQUIRES SOME COMMENT.

No problem. With this tone and civilzed way of communication and explanation, like in @Tim the Tank Nut post above, we could not but agree. With @Mighty_Zuk ,and others like him, and theirs rude and arogant tone we could not agree at all. Next time I will post some comment ,to, no problem mates

[Stuart Galbraith]

God, I hope this comes off. They have been held too damn long.

https://www.irishtimes.com/world/middle-east/2024/07/16/israel-to-resume-talks-on-ceasefire-and-release-of-hostages/

Israeli negotiators are set to resume talks this week on a deal for the release of Israeli hostages and a ceasefire in the Gaza war, according to The Times of Israel. An unidentified official said officials are expected to attend talks to work on details.

During a meeting on Monday with families of five female Israeli hostages held by Hamas, Israeli defence minister Yoav Gallant is reported by an Israeli television station to have said: “This is the closest [to a deal] we have ever been”.

According to Channel 12, Mr Gallant said there “is absolute agreement” among the Israeli army, domestic [Shin Bet] and external security [Mossad] that “there is no security obstacle that is insurmountable”.

[Mighty_Zuk]

I don't think I've yet seen a tunnel with long parallel sections. We can also see, judging by available footage, that the IDF has yet to operate throughout the entire Rafah area.

 

1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

God, I hope this comes off. They have been held too damn long.

https://www.irishtimes.com/world/middle-east/2024/07/16/israel-to-resume-talks-on-ceasefire-and-release-of-hostages/

Israeli negotiators are set to resume talks this week on a deal for the release of Israeli hostages and a ceasefire in the Gaza war, according to The Times of Israel. An unidentified official said officials are expected to attend talks to work on details.

During a meeting on Monday with families of five female Israeli hostages held by Hamas, Israeli defence minister Yoav Gallant is reported by an Israeli television station to have said: “This is the closest [to a deal] we have ever been”.

According to Channel 12, Mr Gallant said there “is absolute agreement” among the Israeli army, domestic [Shin Bet] and external security [Mossad] that “there is no security obstacle that is insurmountable”.

Let's hope so. I have no doubt Netanyahu is stalling it, but perhaps his trip to Washington will give us the opportunity we need. He'll be under pressure there to provide details on progress.

 

Now that elections are coming up in the US and Trump's re-election becomes a possibility, it is time to rethink the US's rather careless middle east policy in the last 4 years. Regional conflicts have escalated significantly, and in order to de-escalate them, we must first escalate and create deterrence. In the tweet is a link to a fairly brief but informative report.

 

Edited July 17 by Mighty_Zuk

[Perun]

While fighting is still going on against allready destroyed Hamas, "West Bank" is not spared of opression, unfortunatrly that also include innocent children

 

[Perun]

explosion in Tel-Aviv, posible drone attack

 

[Markus Becker]

4 hours ago, Perun said:

While fighting is still going on against allready destroyed Hamas, "West Bank" is not spared of opression, unfortunatrly that also include innocent children

 

Are you not aware that the terrorist organizations recruit minors? A war crime BTW.  Something even Palestinian sources don't deny, just downplay.

https://www.dci-palestine.org/child_recruitment

[sunday]

Curious, I was not aware that the fact of recruiting minors by one side did automatically justify taking action against the children living in that side territory.

Edited July 19 by sunday

[Mighty_Zuk]

1 hour ago, sunday said:

Curious, I was not aware that the fact of recruiting minors by one side did automatically justify taking action against the children living in that side territory.

It's sad, I know. But both law and logic dictate that we prosecute child soldiers as we would regular soldiers - only because they pose the same danger.

I've yet to encounter a method that allows disarming and rescuing child soldiers specifically, without risk.

[Markus Becker]

5 hours ago, sunday said:

Curious, I was not aware that the fact of recruiting minors by one side did automatically justify taking action against the children living in that side territory.

Come on, no automatic action is taken against some random kid. Just against kids whovhsve taken action first and thus need to accept the consequences. 

See: Shirley Temper. 

[Stuart Galbraith]

Kind of makes you wonder if she knew what was coming down the pipe, doesnt it?

The Allies met lots of Child Soldiers in the Waffen SS in Normandy, 17 or 18 years old, part of the 12th SS Hitlerjurgend Division. One might wonder how treating them with kid gloves would have worked? Perhaps they would have all seen the error of their ways and surrendered

[Harold Jones]

On 7/17/2024 at 9:12 AM, sunday said:

Only initial post of a topic thread or all posts in a thread?

personally I won't click a link or video that's posted without some explanation of why it would be worth my time to do it.  But that's just me.

[crazyinsane105]

Apparently the Houthis attacked Tel Aviv last night 

 

[crazyinsane105]

Footage of the drone striking the apartment complex 

 

[sunday]

6 hours ago, Markus Becker said:

Come on, no automatic action is taken against some random kid. Just against kids whovhsve taken action first and thus need to accept the consequences. 

See: Shirley Temper. 

Allegedly, at least.