Giorgia Meloni

[old_goat]

Great job Meloni! Typical western european "conservative" politician...

[EchoFiveMike]

All the Western nationals are voting for strong fences, repatriated foreingers and stability, but regardless of what they vote for, they get increased foreign invasion and waves of chaotic subhumanity.

Just vote harder, it'll be fine.  Democracy!  S/F....Ken M

[old_goat]

28 minutes ago, EchoFiveMike said:

All the Western nationals are voting for strong fences, repatriated foreingers and stability, but regardless of what they vote for, they get increased foreign invasion and waves of chaotic subhumanity.

Just vote harder, it'll be fine.  Democracy!  S/F....Ken M

Thats the problem with most western conservative parties. They are trying so hard to be politically correct, not to upset the leftists, that eventually they become exactly the same as the left. Different only in name. Thats why if some party describes itself as "conservative", I immediately know they arent serious. Only those are genuinely willing to do something that label  themselves as radicals. But unfortunately, there are very few of them.

 

[rmgill]

Looks like the people they're voting for aren't actually really in charge no matter what they say....

UK's conservatives did exactly the opposite of what they were elected to do. Likewise the attempted double take at Brexit. 

[urbanoid]

And yet Starmer went to Italy to discuss migration with Meloni, since he was apparently impressed with the fact that the numbers have greatly declined under her watch.

It's not that Meloni doesn't do shit, she does, she's just relatively quiet about it. 

Obviously someone had to have a meltdown over that visit:

Still, she's cute enough that the meltdowns are still at manageable level, she can largely do her thing without the accusations of being mean and nasty.

 

[Mr King]

6 hours ago, old_goat said:

Thats the problem with most western conservative parties. They are trying so hard to be politically correct.

 

I think at this point it's fair to ask are they simply trying to be politically correct or are they politically compromised and captured? In the US at least when it comes to the Republican leadership, it seems like it's the latter.

[Stuart Galbraith]

For a horrible moment I read that as if you thought Diane Abbott was cute.

[Ivanhoe]

10 hours ago, Mr King said:

I think at this point it's fair to ask are they simply trying to be politically correct or are they politically compromised and captured? In the US at least when it comes to the Republican leadership, it seems like it's the latter.

I am increasingly of the opinion that some RINOs (let's say 1/3) are either willingly compromised, or are effectively compromised*. Probably some have been directly compromised by cash, others by the appeal of insider access**.

Some (again, let's say 1/3) are just stupid. They vote for some ludicrous spending bill so that their district or their campaign donors get some largess, without grasping that winning the battle means losing the long-term war.

 

* Either submitting to overt blackmail (looking at you, John Roberts) or suffering from some sort of subconscious drive for comity over principle.

** Congressmen whose investments beat average market returns by 50% or more need to be waterboarded.

[rmgill]

Don't discount compromise by blackmail. The P-Diddy and Epstein Island affairs are too broad and highly placed to not have angles for that sort of insider control of people. 

[old_goat]

12 hours ago, Mr King said:

I think at this point it's fair to ask are they simply trying to be politically correct or are they politically compromised and captured? In the US at least when it comes to the Republican leadership, it seems like it's the latter.

I think both are true at the same time. The compromised elements force wokeness on the party, and the rest are accepting it, not to offend the leftists, naively believing that their party will be more popular, more accepted in society.

[old_goat]

19 hours ago, urbanoid said:

It's not that Meloni doesn't do shit, she does, she's just relatively quiet about it. 

She does everything like a typical modern conservative do. Good that you mentioned the legalized "castration" of pedophiles and rapists. Great example of trying to be PC and not offending the left, meanwhile lying to their voters. How does that work? I'll explain. Lets say, a random man rapes a random woman. The man is guilty, convicted. Now he will have two choices: 1: a prison sentence (ridiculously short usually) or, 2: no prison, but he will promise that he will be a good guy from now on, and "castrates" himself, by taking hormone blocker or whatever pills... Of course, it is pathetically easy to circumvent. The law explicitly specifies that the "castration" must be reversible... Should be done by a dull knife to be honest, not by pills...

As for immigration, this is the real Meloni. Tells everything.

 

Edited October 29, 2024 by old_goat

[urbanoid]

1 minute ago, old_goat said:

She does everything like a typical modern conservative do. Good that you mentioned the legalized "castration" of pedophiles and rapists. Great example of trying to be PC and not offending the left, meanwhile lying to their voters. How does that work? I'll explain. Lets say, a random man rapes a random woman. The man is guilty, convicted. Now he will have two choices: 1: a prison sentence (ridiculously short usually) or, 2: no prison, but he will promise that he will be a good guy from now on, and "castrates" himself, by taking hormone blocker or whatever pills... Of course, it is pathetically easy to circumvent. The law explicitly specifies that the "castration" must be reversible... Should be done by a dull knife to be honest, not by pills...

As for immigration, this is the real Meloni. Tells everything.

 

The real Meloni is the one that greatly limited immigration, while posing to photos like that. Did she do enough? No, but she still did quite a bit more than any Western European leader.

[old_goat]

2 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

she still did quite a bit more than any Western European leader.

Thats still nothing to be proud of... ILLEGAL immigration may be lower, but mass deportations still did not begin (never will), and they do nothing to reduce immigrant crime. She even made a deal with Ursula about streamlining the immigration. The deal makes it much easier to migrate to Italy via legal channels. She also supports migrant quotas across europe.

Here in Hungary, the nationalists view Meloni a traitor, an enemy of Europe.

[urbanoid]

Ok, keep sitting in a 'Hungarian nationalist bubble' with your crystal ball telling you what will or will not happen.

[Tim the Tank Nut]

Prime Minister Meloni has secured the release of her hostage in Iran.  Had to trade a dirtbag for him.  Maybe she can get the dirtbag killed later.

[Ssnake]

So, business as usual for Italy.

Of course, it's illegal for Italian citizens to pay ransom for their next of kin taken hostage by Italian criminals, but as usual there are double standards for politicians.

[Tim the Tank Nut]

was there really any other way?

It does remind not to travel to Iran.

[Ssnake]

Yeah, it's a bit of a pickle when one side decides that taking hostages are now the new rules. I'm not saying that this was an absolutely terrible decision, though it certainly encourages the asshole countries to do it again whenever they need to get one of their own murderers out of prison, Krassikov being one example involving Germany and the US.

I guess what I was trying to say here is that Italy went and paid the price, just like they bought off the Taliban and others wherever they were deployed in the last 20 years. The idea that an Italian Beretta-wielding "Giulio Bondo" is going to exact retribution later simply appears absurd to me. There was nothing particularly noteworthy about Meloni's action. It's very much in line with what any other Italian administration has done in the last quarter century.

[old_goat]

Meloni again proved that she is a traitor. But what can we expect from a typical european conservative? Mass immigration can begin from Bangladesh (basically undesirables), but this time, its fully legal. Typical european conservative behavior, pretending to be right wingers by fighting illegal migrants, but at the same time, making migration legal from other countries. Result is the same, the replacement of white europeans not stopping, but accelerating. Same is happening in Orbán's Hungary. 

https://www.infomigrants.net/en/post/64403/italy-and-bangladesh-strengthen-ties-on-migration-and-labor-cooperation

[Stuart Galbraith]

You have legal immigration you can control, you can make illegal and uncontrolled immigration less of a problem. Looking at the UK this has been a continual problem. We set too low targets for legal immigration, and are surprised that people from Asia dont agree and use the tradesmans entrance and we get clobbered with illegals.

I think the key word there is 'seasonal'. The emphasis doesnt appear to be on them remaining.

 

[urbanoid]

Legal immigration is in a sense worse than the illegal one. Legal immigrants have more... legal protections, it's harder to throw them out.

[old_goat]

1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

I think the key word there is 'seasonal'. The emphasis doesnt appear to be on them remaining.

Bullshit. They WILL stay. Why would they go back to their shithole countries? This is how it works here: They have a contract for 2-3 years. After that, they can renew it for another year. If that too expires, then they have to go home... For a single damned week! And they come back for another term. Sooner or later, they will have families here, and here you go, they dont have to go back to their shitholes anymore. And you cant even throw them out. There were interviews with such workers, and 100% of them said they want to stay here forever.

Great replacement is not a conspiracy theory, it is an ongoing project, run by not only the left, but also by the conservatives. Simply because the conservatives in europe are always globalists too, and they do not care who works in their factories as slaves. In fact, third world undesirables are better than whites because they work far more for far less money. A while ago, we had many seasonal workers, mainly from ukraine, actually, I wasnt against that, most of them were refugees and also people wanted to escape from Zelensky's regime, but since Orbán legalized migration from asian third world countries, multinational corporations began to replace them with indians, pakistanis, philippinos, and chinese. All are troublemakers, committing lots of crime. 

[Stuart Galbraith]

Then you have a choice. You have to make the European nations more economic competitive, except you cant because you have reducing populations, and traditionally you need large populations to be competitive. Or you give economic support to families to have more children, which you cant afford, because you country cant afford it because its not competitive.

 You either import labour, or you stagnate and make the problem worse. Or you throw money into mechanisation, requiring even less manpower, and fewer stakeholders in the economy that struggle to get jobs. And the population goes down again.

Its all very well for the Eastern Europeans to boast of how well they are doing with EU support. Look at the British, French and Germans that have been in decline for well over a quarter century (more like 50 years in Britains case) and find a way out of the problem without importing labour. You will be here too in another couple of decades as your population starts to age.

[urbanoid]

Automation and AI, I guess. Plus obviously political side of it, if we have to change the economic model somewhat, too bad. 

I don't care about 'number going up' nearly as much as I care about having a nice homogenous country. 

[old_goat]

23 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

 You either import labour, or you stagnate and make the problem worse. Or you throw money into mechanisation, requiring even less manpower, and fewer stakeholders in the economy that struggle to get jobs. And the population goes down again.

I cant talk about Italy, I dont know about their economy. However, I can definitely talk about Hungary (Orbán is doing the same, replacing hungarians with asians en masse to feed the economy with workers). Many economists here already said what the solution is. Main problem is the globalist approach of things. We need domestic agriculture, so we could get rid of food import. This would already create jobs, and all of the money remains in the country. This also reduces inflation. Hungary has excellent agricultural land, and could profit greatly from it. Not only could we sustain ourselves, there would be plenty of room for export.

But instead of this, Orbán invites foreign corporations to create "GDP", which became a totally meaningless number now. Meanwhile he intends to destroy agriculture because that doesnt create as much GDP as industry. But back to corporations. The regime attracts them by monetary support, low taxes, and an economic environment that guarantees low salaries for workers. This way, more and more corporations come here to build their polluting factories. They obviously need lots of workers, but people do not want to work 12 hours for 6 days per week for such little money. This is where immigrants come in. In government propaganda, you can constantly hear about the "growing economy", "growing GDP", the regime cares only about these things (other than their oligarchs of course). However, according to economists, constantly growing economy is not a requirement for high living standards. 

All in all, inviting immigrants is a high treason, a sure sign of a globalist regime.