Giorgia Meloni

[old_goat]

Great job Meloni! Typical western european "conservative" politician...

[EchoFiveMike]

All the Western nationals are voting for strong fences, repatriated foreingers and stability, but regardless of what they vote for, they get increased foreign invasion and waves of chaotic subhumanity.

Just vote harder, it'll be fine.  Democracy!  S/F....Ken M

[old_goat]

28 minutes ago, EchoFiveMike said:

All the Western nationals are voting for strong fences, repatriated foreingers and stability, but regardless of what they vote for, they get increased foreign invasion and waves of chaotic subhumanity.

Just vote harder, it'll be fine.  Democracy!  S/F....Ken M

Thats the problem with most western conservative parties. They are trying so hard to be politically correct, not to upset the leftists, that eventually they become exactly the same as the left. Different only in name. Thats why if some party describes itself as "conservative", I immediately know they arent serious. Only those are genuinely willing to do something that label  themselves as radicals. But unfortunately, there are very few of them.

 

[rmgill]

Looks like the people they're voting for aren't actually really in charge no matter what they say....

UK's conservatives did exactly the opposite of what they were elected to do. Likewise the attempted double take at Brexit. 

[urbanoid]

And yet Starmer went to Italy to discuss migration with Meloni, since he was apparently impressed with the fact that the numbers have greatly declined under her watch.

It's not that Meloni doesn't do shit, she does, she's just relatively quiet about it. 

Obviously someone had to have a meltdown over that visit:

Still, she's cute enough that the meltdowns are still at manageable level, she can largely do her thing without the accusations of being mean and nasty.

 

[Mr King]

6 hours ago, old_goat said:

Thats the problem with most western conservative parties. They are trying so hard to be politically correct.

 

I think at this point it's fair to ask are they simply trying to be politically correct or are they politically compromised and captured? In the US at least when it comes to the Republican leadership, it seems like it's the latter.

[Stuart Galbraith]

For a horrible moment I read that as if you thought Diane Abbott was cute.

[Ivanhoe]

10 hours ago, Mr King said:

I think at this point it's fair to ask are they simply trying to be politically correct or are they politically compromised and captured? In the US at least when it comes to the Republican leadership, it seems like it's the latter.

I am increasingly of the opinion that some RINOs (let's say 1/3) are either willingly compromised, or are effectively compromised*. Probably some have been directly compromised by cash, others by the appeal of insider access**.

Some (again, let's say 1/3) are just stupid. They vote for some ludicrous spending bill so that their district or their campaign donors get some largess, without grasping that winning the battle means losing the long-term war.

 

* Either submitting to overt blackmail (looking at you, John Roberts) or suffering from some sort of subconscious drive for comity over principle.

** Congressmen whose investments beat average market returns by 50% or more need to be waterboarded.

[rmgill]

Don't discount compromise by blackmail. The P-Diddy and Epstein Island affairs are too broad and highly placed to not have angles for that sort of insider control of people. 

[old_goat]

12 hours ago, Mr King said:

I think at this point it's fair to ask are they simply trying to be politically correct or are they politically compromised and captured? In the US at least when it comes to the Republican leadership, it seems like it's the latter.

I think both are true at the same time. The compromised elements force wokeness on the party, and the rest are accepting it, not to offend the leftists, naively believing that their party will be more popular, more accepted in society.

[old_goat]

19 hours ago, urbanoid said:

It's not that Meloni doesn't do shit, she does, she's just relatively quiet about it. 

She does everything like a typical modern conservative do. Good that you mentioned the legalized "castration" of pedophiles and rapists. Great example of trying to be PC and not offending the left, meanwhile lying to their voters. How does that work? I'll explain. Lets say, a random man rapes a random woman. The man is guilty, convicted. Now he will have two choices: 1: a prison sentence (ridiculously short usually) or, 2: no prison, but he will promise that he will be a good guy from now on, and "castrates" himself, by taking hormone blocker or whatever pills... Of course, it is pathetically easy to circumvent. The law explicitly specifies that the "castration" must be reversible... Should be done by a dull knife to be honest, not by pills...

As for immigration, this is the real Meloni. Tells everything.

 

Edited October 29, 2024 by old_goat

[urbanoid]

1 minute ago, old_goat said:

She does everything like a typical modern conservative do. Good that you mentioned the legalized "castration" of pedophiles and rapists. Great example of trying to be PC and not offending the left, meanwhile lying to their voters. How does that work? I'll explain. Lets say, a random man rapes a random woman. The man is guilty, convicted. Now he will have two choices: 1: a prison sentence (ridiculously short usually) or, 2: no prison, but he will promise that he will be a good guy from now on, and "castrates" himself, by taking hormone blocker or whatever pills... Of course, it is pathetically easy to circumvent. The law explicitly specifies that the "castration" must be reversible... Should be done by a dull knife to be honest, not by pills...

As for immigration, this is the real Meloni. Tells everything.

 

The real Meloni is the one that greatly limited immigration, while posing to photos like that. Did she do enough? No, but she still did quite a bit more than any Western European leader.

[old_goat]

2 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

she still did quite a bit more than any Western European leader.

Thats still nothing to be proud of... ILLEGAL immigration may be lower, but mass deportations still did not begin (never will), and they do nothing to reduce immigrant crime. She even made a deal with Ursula about streamlining the immigration. The deal makes it much easier to migrate to Italy via legal channels. She also supports migrant quotas across europe.

Here in Hungary, the nationalists view Meloni a traitor, an enemy of Europe.

[urbanoid]

Ok, keep sitting in a 'Hungarian nationalist bubble' with your crystal ball telling you what will or will not happen.

[Tim the Tank Nut]

Prime Minister Meloni has secured the release of her hostage in Iran.  Had to trade a dirtbag for him.  Maybe she can get the dirtbag killed later.

[Ssnake]

So, business as usual for Italy.

Of course, it's illegal for Italian citizens to pay ransom for their next of kin taken hostage by Italian criminals, but as usual there are double standards for politicians.

[Tim the Tank Nut]

was there really any other way?

It does remind not to travel to Iran.

[Ssnake]

Yeah, it's a bit of a pickle when one side decides that taking hostages are now the new rules. I'm not saying that this was an absolutely terrible decision, though it certainly encourages the asshole countries to do it again whenever they need to get one of their own murderers out of prison, Krassikov being one example involving Germany and the US.

I guess what I was trying to say here is that Italy went and paid the price, just like they bought off the Taliban and others wherever they were deployed in the last 20 years. The idea that an Italian Beretta-wielding "Giulio Bondo" is going to exact retribution later simply appears absurd to me. There was nothing particularly noteworthy about Meloni's action. It's very much in line with what any other Italian administration has done in the last quarter century.