Giorgia Meloni

[17thfabn]

6 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Nope.

Personally I'd be happy to take in your Mexicans. I love fajitas.

Surprisingly the restaurants run by Mexicans by and large don't have very good food. Tex Mex is much better.

I'd much rather have "Mexican" or other Latin American immigrants than islamic ones. 

Problem is many areas of the U.S. are being over whelmed. You know it is getting bad when the mayor of NYC is complaining.

[Stuart Galbraith]

I dont doubt you are right. The question comes, what is enough? Where is the dividing line between acceptable immigration and unacceptable? I dont know. Nobody seems to want to make that distinction.

For myself, I dont really have any preference for any ethnic identity settling in the UK. We have had all comers for generations, I truly dont care. Same with religion. What I DO care about is culture. If one culture ends up being displaced by another inside a generation, everyone has a right to be upset. I dont detect that is remotely the case with the US. Even in the UK, despite out of control immigration, we are decades away from even breaking even. Plenty of time for an intelligent politician to get a handle on it,or so one might think.

For us, we have to have immigration, simply because the baby boomer generation is dying out and the population is declining. We need new blood just to keep the economy going (not to mention mopping up the drool of the Baby Boomers in their declining years). For my part, I think it would make more sense to have ALL the immigrant population of Mexico and Europe combined in a pool, and we split the take according to our population size. Which short of shooting them as they come over the border or (as one of my neighbours actually espoused) shooting them as they come up the beach, is about as fair as anyone is going to get. It would also mean that no particular culture or population group is going to achieve ascendency in any of the countries in the pool.

Are we going to work with joined up thinking like that? Of course not. Because we prefer to bleat and whine about it, because politically its more useful to do that, than try to create solutions. Short of investing in Africa and South America (and im sure everyone will complain about their taxes doing that), nothing is going to change, no matter how many border patrol ships we buy, or how high you build your fences.

Edited June 18 by Stuart Galbraith

[urbanoid]

UK population was 59 mln in 2000, 68 mln in 2024, Canada went from 30 to 39, the US went from 282 to 341. Sure as hell would rather live in 2000 versions of those countries. 

Population is declining in many parts of the world, e.g. in East Asia and Central Europe, both regions are doing ok, both are safer than Western Europe or the US.

And maybe... the economic model which requires constant population growth is just fucking retarded? 

[Stuart Galbraith]

9 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

UK population was 59 mln in 2000, 68 mln in 2024, Canada went from 30 to 39, the US went from 282 to 341. Sure as hell would rather live in 2000 versions of those countries. 

Population is declining in many parts of the world, e.g. in East Asia and Central Europe, both regions are doing ok, both are safer than Western Europe or the US.

And maybe... the economic model which requires constant population growth is just fucking retarded? 

Yes, and I dont actually disagree. Although try and tell an electorate that you plan to have the economy stand still for the next 10 years, you are unlikely to remain in office long (or at the very least, be called a Socialist).

There are alternatives to a physical economy. In theory, the digital economy should allow for near infinite expansion, without necessarily need a lot of people to keep it ticking. But of course even were that so, there remain only a select few that can take advantage of it, and Governments would be recluctant to tax the most successful anyway.

The fact remains, with the booming population in the world, with the third world remaining poor, with climate change seemingly also having an impact on population movement (or the equator areas seem to keep getting dryer, despite what we may think of greens), guess what? This is going to be an enduring problem. And either we all figure out to make it work as a block, or we are going to be sunk by it as individuals. We might want to go back to the year 2000, but we cant, anymore than we might all want to go back to 1932. The world moves on.

Or we could just keep playing politics with it. Yeah, that will work.

 

[urbanoid]

Staying still is better than countries getting worse. I'd rather stay still on Japanese or Korean level (or even ours tbh) than turn my country into a shithole. 

Climate change, they'll keep migrating blah blah blah... you just kill them if they try to enter illegally, end of story.  

Daily reminder:

[Stuart Galbraith]

Japan has entered an era of population decline. So either they develop new systems to generate wealth at a rate decoupled from their population base (which is going to be unpopular, because people like having jobs, and its probably going to go a lot further than they intend). Or, guess what? They are either going to have to come to terms with being poorer, or start importing labour from abroad. There are some signs this is already underway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Japan

As of 2022, Japan's total fertility rate was 1.26, among the lowest in the world and far below the replacement rate of 2.1. Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida has pledged to take urgent steps to tackle the country's declining birth rate, calling it "now or never" for Japan's aging society, and plans to double the budget for child-related policies by June and set up a new government agency in April.^{[citation needed]}

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Japan

According to the Japanese immigration centre, the number of foreign residents in Japan has steadily increased, and the number of foreign residents exceeded 2.8 million people in 2020.^[49]

In 2020, the number of foreigners in Japan was 2,887,116. This includes 325,000 Filipinos, many of whom are married to Japanese nationals and possessing some degree of Japanese ancestry,^[50][51] 208,538 Brazilians, the majority possessing some degree of Japanese ancestry,^[51] 778,112 Chinese, 448,053 Vietnamese and 426,908 South Koreans. Chinese, Vietnamese, Koreans, Filipinos and Brazilians account for about 77% of foreign residents in Japan.

The current issue of the shrinking workforce in Japan alongside its aging population has resulted in a recent need to attract foreign labour to the country. Reforms which took effect in 2015 relax visa requirements for "Highly Skilled Foreign Professionals" and create a new type of residence status with an unlimited period of stay.

The number of naturalizations peaked in 2008 at 16,000, declining to over 9,000 in the most recent year for which data are available.^[52] Most of the decline is accounted for by a steep reduction in the number of Japan-born Koreans taking Japanese citizenship. Historically the bulk of those taking Japanese citizenship have not been foreign-born immigrants but rather Japanese-born descendants of Koreans and Taiwanese who lost their citizenship in the Japanese Empire in 1947 as part of the American Occupation policy for Japan.

Japanese statistical authorities do not collect information on ethnicity, only nationality.^[53] As a result, both native and naturalized Japanese citizens are counted in a single group.^[54] Although official statistics therefore show homogeneity, other analyses describe the population as “multi-ethnic”.^[55][56][57]

 

[urbanoid]

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This includes 325,000 Filipinos, many of whom are married to Japanese nationals and possessing some degree of Japanese ancestry,[50][51] 208,538 Brazilians, the majority possessing some degree of Japanese ancestry,[51] 778,112 Chinese, 448,053 Vietnamese and 426,908 South Koreans. Chinese, Vietnamese, Koreans, Filipinos and Brazilians account for about 77% of foreign residents in Japan.

So generally productive and non-problematic minorities, unlike Pakistan&co, middle easterners and sub-saharans. It's 'barely diversity', like Ukrainians or Belarusians in Poland. Most of the rest are likely whiteys, so not much issue there either, but there's some backlash against the Kurds.

Though there was a time when they were literally paying Japanese-Brazilians to fuck off back to Brazil, together with the families they brought.

Given that they stay afloat with minimal, rather selective immigration is a proof they're doing something right.

This is the answer to many of our problems:

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Frankfurt, Sep 26, 2023 — The new World Robotics report recorded 553,052 industrial robot installations in factories around the world – a growth rate of 5% in 2022, year-on-year. By region, 73% of all newly deployed robots were installed in Asia, 15% in Europe and 10% in the Americas.

As you can see, more for Japan than the US, more for Worst Korea than Germany, more for Taiwan than France, with China being in a league of its own:

https://ifr.org/ifr-press-releases/news/world-robotics-2023-report-asia-ahead-of-europe-and-the-america

If we do it right maybe we can do mass deportations of undesirables, make AI do a lot of jobs done by the desirables and employ the now available desirables to defend our borders from the thirdworlders.

 

[bojan]

All I can say... Not much "meloni" on her  

[futon]

Assimilation into a nation's culture requires that nation's language. English is the global lingua franca. Japanese does have a nich in anime culture etc. , but of course not the same level as English on global stage. So English speaking countries have that advantage for assimilating immigrants.

As posted, Japan has many foreigners on work visas that are for temporary stay. And it so happens that those countries (India, Vietnam, the Philippines, etc.) have many young people and make arrangements with Japan for those work programs thus those countries are less at risk of disgruntlet jobless young population. It seems to go hand in hand. 

There is a step in between work/spouse/etc temporary visas and naturalization. That's permanant residency. One can live in Japan forever without becoming a Japanese national. Of the 2.8 million foreigners in Japan as of 2022, 840,000 had permanant residency. 

The weak point is the shortage of Japanese baby making families. Without it, Japan will become insignificant.

Foreigners is supplementary, not primary. Baby making families is primary. 

[Ivanhoe]

4 hours ago, urbanoid said:

And maybe... the economic model which requires constant population growth is just fucking retarded? 

I, for one, find the American conservative punditry refrain of Ponzi Scheme Economics really tiresome. Does America really need twice as many blue-haired Tide-pod eaters raised by public schools single moms?

Its pretty simple. Per-capita GDP is a better predictor of quality of life than total GDP. At the margin, adding high-output workers will most likely improve living conditions. Adding low-output workers will most likely do the opposite.

 

[sunday]

4 minutes ago, Ivanhoe said:

Its pretty simple. Per-capita GDP is a better predictor of quality of life than total GDP. At the margin, adding high-output workers will most likely improve living conditions. Adding low-output workers will most likely do the opposite.

Which does provide a better chance to be an oligarch?

[Stuart Galbraith]

52 minutes ago, futon said:

Assimilation into a nation's culture requires that nation's language. English is the global lingua franca. Japanese does have a nich in anime culture etc. , but of course not the same level as English on global stage. So English speaking countries have that advantage for assimilating immigrants.

As posted, Japan has many foreigners on work visas that are for temporary stay. And it so happens that those countries (India, Vietnam, the Philippines, etc.) have many young people and make arrangements with Japan for those work programs thus those countries are less at risk of disgruntlet jobless young population. It seems to go hand in hand. 

There is a step in between work/spouse/etc temporary visas and naturalization. That's permanant residency. One can live in Japan forever without becoming a Japanese national. Of the 2.8 million foreigners in Japan as of 2022, 840,000 had permanant residency. 

The weak point is the shortage of Japanese baby making families. Without it, Japan will become insignificant.

Foreigners is supplementary, not primary. Baby making families is primary. 

Im sure all nations on earth can develop a liking for tentacle porn. Just sayin..

[sunday]

1 hour ago, bojan said:

All I can say... Not much "meloni" on her  

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Are you calling her a flat-earther?

[futon]

38 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Im sure all nations on earth can develop a liking for tentacle porn. Just sayin..

And despite all the "Japan is Xenophobic" disposition, it actually isn't that hard for a foreign guy to get together with a cute young Japanese lady. It really isn't. I've seen loads of mixed couples.

 

 

 

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But then the realities of the international marriage hit and half end in failure. The foreign guy can talk to her parents? Can handle his own Japan bank stuff? Can handle his own doctor visits? Can handle baby care related discussions? Can handle the paperwork for child schooling? Ohhh.. he ordered at a resturant during the dating phase, so cooool and.cuuute... later the language ability real gets put to the tests. The absence of the ability is really taxing. The bane of Kanji. This is Japan dude...

[bojan]

1 hour ago, sunday said:

Are you calling her a flat-earther?

No, but she has only two very low hills to cross in order to come to that  

Edited June 18 by bojan

[sunday]

4 minutes ago, bojan said:

No, but she has only two very low hills to cross in order to come to that  

Wrote like a true Balkan hillman!

[urbanoid]

She cute though, especially when she disses Macron

 

[Ivanhoe]

57 minutes ago, bojan said:

No, but she has only two very low hills to cross in order to come to that  

You'd cross her Rubicon, given the chance.

 

[urbanoid]

[bojan]

6 hours ago, sunday said:

Wrote like a true Balkan hillman!

Montenegrin side of the family (that were real mountainmen, not pesky hillmen) would say "not good for either bed or field" for a woman like her.

5 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

You'd cross her Rubicon, given the chance.

Nope, one of the few rules is "never have sex with career politicians". There is only limited amount of the self centered control freak that I can stand. Learned it hard way, even low level ones are horrendous, I don't dare to think what they are like at the higher levels.

 

[sunday]

Small mountains...

[bojan]

Different one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Durmitor

[sunday]

Still kind of small, but well, it looks like anything above 2,000m is a major mountain.

[Tim the Tank Nut]

that video of Meloni and Macron is worth watching more than once!

If my pool of people to get down with is limited to Heads of State Meloni is my current favorite.  Have to rate appearance with peer group.

[urbanoid]

2 minutes ago, Tim the Tank Nut said:

that video of Meloni and Macron is worth watching more than once!

If my pool of people to get down with is limited to Heads of State Meloni is my current favorite.  Have to rate appearance with peer group.

Macron apparently insisted on including a 'right to abortion' in the G7 statement, which might have irked Meloni both politically and personally (she once said she was almost aborted herself).