Iranian President's helicopter crashes and is missing

[Stuart Galbraith]

23 minutes ago, 17thfabn said:

I'm curious what the U.S. has done in similar situations in the past. Such as when Stalin, Mao etc passed away?

Yes, a good thing to bring up...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_and_state_funeral_of_Mao_Zedong

United States – President Gerald Ford first sent a message to Beijing which said "When I visited Beijing in December 1975, I had the privilege of meeting Chairman Mao. Our conversation has promoted the development of US-China relations along the lines envisioned by our two countries. Please let me declare now as I did then, that the United States is determined to complete the normalization of our relationship on the basis of the Shanghai Communiqué. This will be an appropriate channel to praise his vision and will benefit the people of both countries."^[16] In addition, he made the following remarks: "The People's Republic of China, announced today the passing away of Chairman Mao Tse-Tung. Chairman Mao was a giant figure in modern Chinese History. He was a leader whose actions profoundly affected the development of his country. His influence on history will extend far beyond the borders of China. Americans will remember that it was under Chairman Mao that China moved together with the United States to end a generation of hostility and to launch a new and more positive era in relations between our two countries. I am confident that the trend of improved relations between the People's Republic of China and the United States, which Chairman Mao helped create, will continue to contribute to world peace and stability. On behalf of the United States government and the American peoples, I offer condolences to the government and people of the People's Republic of China."^[17]

Britain im proud to say, was considerably more reticent.

 

United Kingdom – Queen Elizabeth II and Prime Minister James Callaghan said "[Mao’s] influence far exceeds China's borders, and he will undoubtedly be remembered as a world-famous great politician."^[15]

 

 

Nixon was even paying tributes to Mao when he was alive, when he met him in 1972 IIRC?  He also paid tribute to President Agha Khan,whose influence set the trip up, whom was architect of the Bangaldesh genocide.

Reversing the trend, China even paid tributes on the death of Henry Kissinger, whom had his own toll of dead Cambodians to account for.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-pays-tribute-to-kissinger-old-friend-of-the-chinese-people/ar-AA1kL8sY

 

The lesson is, all of them were kissing up to a mass murderer, other than the actual socialist in the pact. Which is hilarious frankly.

 

Edited May 22, 2024 by Stuart Galbraith

[Ivanhoe]

[rmgill]

8 hours ago, 17thfabn said:

I'm curious what the U.S. has done in similar situations in the past. Such as when Stalin, Mao etc passed away?

When Pol Pot died the Clinton admin  pulled no punches. 

[Stuart Galbraith]

10 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

slam dunk huh?

[lucklucky]

22 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Yes, a good thing to bring up...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_and_state_funeral_of_Mao_Zedong

United States – President Gerald Ford first sent a message to Beijing which said "When I visited Beijing in December 1975, I had the privilege of meeting Chairman Mao. Our conversation has promoted the development of US-China relations along the lines envisioned by our two countries. Please let me declare now as I did then, that the United States is determined to complete the normalization of our relationship on the basis of the Shanghai Communiqué. This will be an appropriate channel to praise his vision and will benefit the people of both countries."^[16] In addition, he made the following remarks: "The People's Republic of China, announced today the passing away of Chairman Mao Tse-Tung. Chairman Mao was a giant figure in modern Chinese History. He was a leader whose actions profoundly affected the development of his country. His influence on history will extend far beyond the borders of China. Americans will remember that it was under Chairman Mao that China moved together with the United States to end a generation of hostility and to launch a new and more positive era in relations between our two countries. I am confident that the trend of improved relations between the People's Republic of China and the United States, which Chairman Mao helped create, will continue to contribute to world peace and stability. On behalf of the United States government and the American peoples, I offer condolences to the government and people of the People's Republic of China."^[17]

Britain im proud to say, was considerably more reticent.

 

United Kingdom – Queen Elizabeth II and Prime Minister James Callaghan said "[Mao’s] influence far exceeds China's borders, and he will undoubtedly be remembered as a world-famous great politician."^[15]

 

 

Nixon was even paying tributes to Mao when he was alive, when he met him in 1972 IIRC?  He also paid tribute to President Agha Khan,whose influence set the trip up, whom was architect of the Bangaldesh genocide.

Reversing the trend, China even paid tributes on the death of Henry Kissinger, whom had his own toll of dead Cambodians to account for.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-pays-tribute-to-kissinger-old-friend-of-the-chinese-people/ar-AA1kL8sY

 

The lesson is, all of them were kissing up to a mass murderer, other than the actual socialist in the pact. Which is hilarious frankly.

 

Since Kissinger was a China groupie that don't surprises me.

[Stuart Galbraith]

To be fair to Nixon, he wasnt scared of standing up to them when it needed it. I was listening to a Podcast, and after Tiananmen square, he went over  there off his own bat, and told the Chinese Government that if they did it again, that would undoubtedly be an end to relations with the US. Then he went back to Washington and told George Bush what he did, and got a pat on the back for it. He felt seriously about Chinese relations, but unlike successive administrations, he wanted it to be clear where the US stood. Something subsequent Presidents have been far too opaque about.

But yes, its odd how many have been China groupies. I was long an admirer of Caspar Weinburger, and looked through his biography on Archive.org for interesting stuff on the cold war. I was really disappointed to discover that the vast majority of his writhing was saying how awesome the PRC was, and how America really ought to be doing more trade with it. Coming from the guy that was the architect of Reagans reforged sword, it was disappointing to say the least.

[TrustMe]

What I didn't like about David Cameron's right wing Tory government was all the pro-China economic "we'll sell you anything" approach. At least Borris wasn't so pro-China as Cameron.

[Stuart Galbraith]

No, Boris had already sold out to the Russians.

 

[NickM]

On 5/22/2024 at 2:06 PM, Ivanhoe said:

 

This rather reminds me of that cringe worthy final season of "Homeland" where the US Pres and the Afghan PM go for a flight in 'The Stan' and they're both killed in a crash in the mountains--and the way it was excused was that the mechanics who handled the POTUS chopper were without a doubt most 'dudley' of dudley doo wrongs'==the most incompetent stoners on the fightline. and The Powers That Be allowed them to work on The President's 'Ride', without any sort of secret service oversight.

[rmgill]

I rather suspect HMX1 deploys with its own mechanics. And the crew chiefs probably are the pick of the field and know theiR birds top to bottom. 

 

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

Although it also is a 50 year old Helicopter, so...

[NickM]

20 hours ago, rmgill said:

I rather suspect HMX1 deploys with its own mechanics. And the crew chiefs probably are the pick of the field and know theiR birds top to bottom. 

 

 

Yeah in the real world, but in Homeland,  the the President and the PM just hopped on a Blackhawk out of the motor pool 

[rmgill]

Hollywood idiot plot devices. 

[NickM]

6 hours ago, rmgill said:

Hollywood idiot plot devices. 

Totally.

Total thread jacking, too.

I swear the script writers must Not  have any real life experiences 

Edited May 26, 2024 by NickM