U.S. Federal Elections 2024, Presidential, Senate and U.S. House of Representatives

[Ssnake]

8 hours ago, rmgill said:

What has Biden done for security in Europe?

Not undermined Article 5 of the NATO treaty with loose talk.

Gave weapons to Ukraine that they needed at a moment when the bear went on a rampage.

 

Maybe not much, but infinitely better than what Trump currently does.

[Stuart Galbraith]

8 hours ago, rmgill said:

That's politicians. Trump just doesn't have the smarmy smile on his face while he's NOT effecting the reach around.

Explain the situation with Israel then please. 

Trump foments the unprecedented accord of peace between Israel and about all of the other Sunni states in Arabia. Biden gets into office, scuppers that, gives money to Iran, sends money to Hamas, gets a war, and is now making noises that Israel is supposed to be finding and giving some sort of accommodations to Hamas even while Hostages are still outstanding including 4 Americans. 

Which ally did Trump throw under the bus in that regard? 
 

War is more likely with Biden's foreign policy because he's weak. Like Obama he's conciliatory to our enemies, expecting that if we give them money they'll be friendly. 

Iran/Russia/China are in a loose knit alliance. The attacks on western shipping going around Yemen specifically resulted from that weak FP vis a vis Iran and Hamas. 

North Korea has Nukes. They're not going to give them up. The current trend is More aid from Russia/China/Iran to NK for their Ballistic missiles. 

What has Biden done for security in Europe? Does Allowing Russia to invade Ukraine manifest as GOOD for European Security? Is Russia weaker because of Germany's policy on Russian NG and Oil Dependence? 

Trump was making noises about that dependence at a meeting of NATO members. Was that divisive and bad for German Security or warning you you had a problem that your officials visibly laughed at? 
 

Just for the record, who are the 4 grinning fools at 0:25?

Funny, I remember a US President saying peace in North Korea had been pretty much achieved. Now, who was that then? No, dont tell me, im sure the name will come to me...

 

[Ssnake]

8 hours ago, rmgill said:

That's politicians.

It's part of Trumps corrosive propaganda to make us believe that this is so, and that he isn't really any different, just more transparent about it. Eisenhower. Reagan. Washington. Lincoln. Jefferson, just to name a handful of US presidents that aren't considered to be in the same moral league as Trump. They may be rare, but don't tell me that Trump is "about average" in integrity for a politician.

[futon]

Alot of things have happened through 2017 and 2018 regarding DPRK. As time goes on, the memory of what happened fades and it'll fade particularly fast in relentless US domestic party competition as only about 30 seconds of attention are provided for a point, if at all. The result is the understanding of the situation in full is not supported by internal competition interests and the whole ordeal becomes a single line worth for ammunition and that ends up becoming "fact". The matter involves a number of chronological steps and the love letters were part of the steps. So please consider the whole circumstance. I believe an understanding of the whole thing would persuade one to yield away from making punch line style one liners that have an apparent lack of understanding as to everything that happened. Although the following is still briefly stated point to point in order to condense so much that makes up the context.

By 2016, the DPRK resumed the testing of nuclear device explosions and increasing BM range launches. It was looking like a showdown of severe diplomatic activity was set to happen for 2017. So as 2017 came about, Pence announced the end of "strategic patience" and thus the US stepped up its military activities together with the forces of ROK and Japan. Two US carriers were drilling in the Sea of Japan by June 2017. The war of words between Trump and Fat-Kim was really reaching new levels. While all that was going around, therr's been two approaches being discussed. Later by July and August, the DPRK had launched a number of regional and intercontinental class BMs on very high altitude trajectories, going up into space by about 2000km, 3000km before crashing back down into the sea. Two of these flew over Japan, in which Japanese warning sirons ringed in the areas those BMs flew over. The two approaches were the "dialogue approach" and the "maximum pressure approach". Japan wanted maximum pressure. ROK wanted dialogue. China and Russia wanted their versions of dialogue as well. The US was doing maximum pressure. All this rhetoic was going about at the UNSC to get sanctions on DPRK but China and Russia wouldn't budge. By September 2017, the DPRK tested another nuclear test and threatened Guam. The war rhetoric between the Trump and Fat-Kim reached levels so severe that opposition media in the US was criticizing Trump for starting a war. South Korean civilians started stocking up on survival gear and drilling evacuations out from high rise buildings. Now 3 US carriers were in the Sea of Japan along with all sorts of military aircraft and so on, all with the message that the intent to do war was serious so the message was that China and Russia better back sanctions at the UNSC, at which they finally complied by Nov/Dec and the sanctis ogot put in place, most importantly, the energy supply line from China to DPRK across their border getting cut by something like 67%. So things started to calm down as the dialogue approach was taken after sanctions have been achieved. Although Japan had remained been wary. But it was what ROK president (Moon Jae-in) had wanted dialogue the whole time and so then DPRK participated in the February 2018 Winter Olympics hosted by ROK. It was then by June 2018 that Trump met Fat-Kim for the first time and the "love letter" sequance began all part of the diplomatic play in trying to achieve CVID (Complete, verifiable, and irreversible denuclearization) in exchange for removing the sanctions on DPRK. That kind of diplomatic approach isn't going to have a chance unless it is accompanied by the getting of sweet language to go with it. But a deal for sanctions in exchange for CVID was not realized in the second Trump-Fat-Kim summit in Feb 2019. Since then, the love letter campaign died down. The DPRK wanted stages towards CVID with sanction relief. Obviously once the sanctions are removed, there's nothing stopping DPRK for backtracking away from CVID. Really.. the only way to achieve CVID is total war and full blown occupation. That is a very high task to ask for.

https://www.tanknet.org/index.php?/topic/42678-because-trump-20/&do=findComment&comment=1599651

 

[lucklucky]

10 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

🤣 Libs of Tik Tok claiming others aren't impartial or biased and leaving out context when they go and do the same.  Fucking hypocrites...

I actually recognize some of the clips in that piece.  They go back to the protests of '20 (that's what most are referring to) and the riots that broke out then were absolutely condemned by D leadership (especially Biden, on several occasions... I linked as much in the threads here on TN back then).  Just another biased non-story pushing a narrative and getting trumpeted around like it's gospel.  🙄

ETA - But here's some actual news about political violence that should be worrying.  This poll showed that 28% of Rs responded that violence may be necessary to get the country back on track.  That compared to 18% for Independents and 12% for Ds.  When you couple that to the large % of Rs who believe that the election in '20 was stolen and Biden is not a legitimate POTUS... that should be worrying.

 

That is ridiculous assertion. For last elections D killed more than 20 persons under pretexts of racism, Democratic media calls violence by the Left made by "activists" not extremists.

[rmgill]

11 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

I actually recognize some of the clips in that piece.  They go back to the protests of '20 (that's what most are referring to) and the riots that broke out then were absolutely condemned by D leadership (especially Biden, on several occasions... I linked as much in the threads here on TN back then). 

And then the Now Vice President sent bail money to the rioters AND her and MANY others argued that the protests needed to continue. They had a very nuanced view on the protestors at the same location as riots being very different. 

Their very nuanced view seemed to evaporate on January 6th. 

Also, and I remember a great many democrats having no issues with the poor black people shot in Kenosha by Rittenhouse. 
 

11 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

ETA - But here's some actual news about political violence that should be worrying.  This poll showed that 28% of Rs responded that violence may be necessary to get the country back on track.  That compared to 18% for Independents and 12% for Ds.  When you couple that to the large % of Rs who believe that the election in '20 was stolen and Biden is not a legitimate POTUS... that should be worrying.

For Dems, the violence we have now means we ARE on Track. So, they don't WANT counter violence stopping their violence. Again, I'll point to the condemnation of Rittenhouse which seemed greater than the condemnation of the arson and murder by rioters. 

In Atlanta after the rioting happened even with the condemnation of the riots, they still found time to go after police who got rough with people who refused to leave areas after the curfew AND were so over their skis that other nearby departments refused to aid the City becasue they seemed so willing to throw the police under the bus. 

[rmgill]

7 hours ago, Ssnake said:

Not undermined Article 5 of the NATO treaty with loose talk.

Did you miss the proposal to have Ukraine join NATO SOONEST. 

What would that mean for Article 5 if Ukraine joined tomorrow? 

Is Germany prepared for a European War tomorrow? How many units are ready for full scale combat right now? 

7 hours ago, Ssnake said:

Gave weapons to Ukraine that they needed at a moment when the bear went on a rampage.

The Bear went on a Rampage because Biden gave it permission. 

7 hours ago, Ssnake said:

Maybe not much, but infinitely better than what Trump currently does.

Trump isn't president. He can't do anything currently other than run his mouth. 

[rmgill]

6 hours ago, Ssnake said:

It's part of Trumps corrosive propaganda to make us believe that this is so,

No, it was something I learned before Trump. Call it an awareness of the nature of life long politicians. They're greasy. Some more than others. That you think this is a special quality of Trump is curious. 

 

6 hours ago, Ssnake said:

and that he isn't really any different, just more transparent about it. Eisenhower. Reagan. Washington. Lincoln. Jefferson, just to name a handful of US presidents that aren't considered to be in the same moral league as Trump. They may be rare, but don't tell me that Trump is "about average" in integrity for a politician.

Lincoln? You invoke Lincoln? Do you realize the rights he violated and the people he threw in Jail for speech? Newspapers were shut down, thousands jailed, 

Suspension of freedom of speech and suspension of Habeus Corpus isn't corrosive? By presidential order?

 

[Ssnake]

20 minutes ago, rmgill said:

Did you miss the proposal to have Ukraine join NATO SOONEST. 
What would that mean for Article 5 if Ukraine joined tomorrow?

But they won't, because it requires unanimous agreement, as Sweden recently experienced. So, such a statement doesn't make me nervous at all.

[17thfabn]

It would be ironic if Trump being out of circulation due to his trials kept him from making as many stupid comments and helped him politically.

[Stuart Galbraith]

25 minutes ago, 17thfabn said:

It would be ironic if Trump being out of circulation due to his trials kept him from making as many stupid comments and helped him politically.

Id never thought of that.

 

[Ivanhoe]

https://www.dailysignal.com/2024/04/15/group-in-mexico-displays-flyers-urging-illegal-aliens-to-vote-for-biden/
 

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An advocacy group based in Northeastern Mexico that lobbies U.S. lawmakers has distributed and posted flyers encouraging illegal immigrants to vote for President Joe Biden in the 2024 election, according to The Heritage Foundation’s Oversight Project.

Translated from Spanish, the Oversight Project notes, the flyers posted by the organization Resource Center Matamoros say: “Reminder to vote for President Biden when you are in the United States. We need another four years of his term to stay open.” (The Daily Signal is Heritage’s news and commentary outlet.)

 

 

[R011]

2 hours ago, 17thfabn said:

It would be ironic if Trump being out of circulation due to his trials kept him from making as many stupid comments and helped him politically.

Unless a judge can actually sew his lips shut and cut off his Twitter hand, nothing will stop him from making stupid comments - and his followers will still love him for them.

[Josh]

9 hours ago, 17thfabn said:

It would be ironic if Trump being out of circulation due to his trials kept him from making as many stupid comments and helped him politically.

Apparently you missed his rally over the weekend…

[17thfabn]

25 minutes ago, Josh said:

Apparently you missed his rally over the weekend…

2 days a week versus 7 days a week to say something stupid is an improvement. 

[Josh]

23 minutes ago, 17thfabn said:

2 days a week versus 7 days a week to say something stupid is an improvement. 

He managed to break his gag order while in the court building yesterday. In any case, say additional stupid things is unlikely to move the needle.

[Josh]

The House passes all of the foreign aid bills, sans any border legislation. Well that was a productive use of the last two months since the senate passed back to back aid legislation with and without border measures…

[seahawk]

America does hate nothing more than white, Christian Americans. This betrayal of American values and interests is mind boggling.

[Josh]

the House GOP manages to shoot down its own immigration bill before it can even get to the senate as its circular firing squad continues.

[Josh]

The Trump primary protest votes continue to be surprisingly high. Haley got 16.5% of the vote in Pennsylvania.

[seahawk]

Obviously as Trump has been weak on abortion.

[Skywalkre]

45 minutes ago, seahawk said:

Obviously as Trump has been weak on abortion.

That's such a horrible take I'm going to guess it's an attempt at humor...

[Stuart Galbraith]

1 hour ago, seahawk said:

Obviously as Trump's mother has been weak on abortion.

Fixed it for you.

[Skywalkre]

On 4/11/2024 at 6:35 AM, lucklucky said:

 

That is ridiculous assertion. For last elections D killed more than 20 persons under pretexts of racism, Democratic media calls violence by the Left made by "activists" not extremists.

No idea what you're referencing and couldn't find anything online that remotely fits what you're talking about. 

[Skywalkre]

On 4/11/2024 at 7:39 AM, rmgill said:

And then the Now Vice President sent bail money to the rioters AND her and MANY others argued that the protests needed to continue. They had a very nuanced view on the protestors at the same location as riots being very different. 

This story has been circulating for a while and every version of it seems to be off (shock, surprise that folks on the far Right can't be bothered with the truth).  All she did was post a message online letting folks know they could donate to a group that posted bond for protesters who had been arrested.

ETA - This group exists because folks on the Left have been arguing for a while about the various injustices of our legal system... and bail/bond is one of those injustices.  The argument, which is pretty straightforward and strong, is that in a system where you're presumed innocent until proven guilty those with money shouldn't be allowed to stay out of jail before their court date.

As for protests (which, I have to keep saying this - the overwhelming majority of protests in '20 were peaceful) there's this little thing where they're a Constitutional right.  It was hypocritical of the Ds to push for lockdowns while encouraging protests, though.

On 4/11/2024 at 7:39 AM, rmgill said:

For Dems, the violence we have now means we ARE on Track. So, they don't WANT counter violence stopping their violence. Again, I'll point to the condemnation of Rittenhouse which seemed greater than the condemnation of the arson and murder by rioters.

No idea what you're talking about here...

First off... what is "the violence we have now" supposed to reference?  Second, the Ds did condemn the rioting and looting back in '20 (I referenced their remarks multiple times here on TN when folks on here kept pushing that they weren't doing so).

Edited April 25, 2024 by Skywalkre