DKTanker Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 2 hours ago, 17thfabn said: There is almost ZERO % chance that Biden would replace Harris as his running mate if he continues his candidacy. Moreover, James Clyburn is strongly hinting that the only reason he endorsed Biden prior to the 2020 SC primary is because Biden agreed to his demand that he, Biden, select Harris as his running mate. In other news, the trickle of leaks coming out of the WH have increased to garden hose volume and it's looking like we'll see a full blown fire hose this coming week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 Given recent events, it appears to me that Harris' selection was primarily due to her complete incapacity to stage a house coup. Biden's brain is unraveling real-time, yet Kamala has failed to mount a credible 25th Amendment groundswell within the WH, much less Congress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17thfabn Posted July 8 Author Share Posted July 8 (edited) Joe says he is in it to win it! Run Joe Run! On Morning Joe, President Biden says he is staying in the race. https://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/-i-am-not-going-anywhere-biden-confirms-he-s-staying-in-2024-race-214393925734 Who has been the biggest name in the Democratic Party to publicly call for the President to step aside? MSNBC has a running list. All on the list are unknown nationally other than Representative Jerry Nadler, and former HUD Secretary Julian Castro. And neither of them are power houses in the Democratic Party. https://www.msnbc.com/top-stories/latest/biden-drop-out-election-democrats-running-list-rcna160415 Several news papers have called for Biden to step aside, most prominently the NY Times. https://thehill.com/homenews/media/4748637-biden-debate-step-aside-newspapers/ The most powerful figures in the Democrat Party have not said much. Are the money men still behind him, or are they shifting to throwing their money into the Congressional and Senate races? Behind the scene are they for Biden continuing? It appears to be a case of, those who are talking don't know, and those who know aren't talking. Edited July 8 by 17thfabn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 As much money as they have sunk into the Biden campaign, to have to shift that to a new candidate would be painful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted July 8 Share Posted July 8 Only if they have not printed the needed, fulfilled ballots to be found at 0300 after election day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17thfabn Posted July 9 Author Share Posted July 9 So far all the Democrats calling for Biden to step aside have been minor political figures as far as I have heard. House Democrats are reported to be meeting today in private to discuss Biden's candidacy. If Biden digs his heals in I don't know what they could do. "Congressional Democrats on Tuesday will gather for a consequential day of closed-door meetings where the focus is expected to be largely on President Joe Biden's viability as a candidate and the path for the party going forward." https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/house-democrats-huddle-closed-doors-amid-debate-bidens/story?id=111760157 "US Congress Democrats to discuss next steps as Biden vows to fight on" https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-congress-democrats-discuss-next-steps-biden-vows-fight-2024-07-09/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted July 9 Share Posted July 9 (edited) If they had any integrity, 25th amendment. Edited July 9 by rmgill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17thfabn Posted July 10 Author Share Posted July 10 Biggest Democrat name as far as I know to call for Biden to step aside. Not a formal statement, just an off the cuff remark from George Stephanopoulos. Doesn't call for Biden to step aside per say, just questions his ability to finish four more years. (George Clooney doesn't count. He is not a major Democrat figure, not really a major actor anymore.) Stephanopoulos apologizes for stating the truth. Stephanopoulos appears to say, “I don’t think he can serve four more years," though the audio of the response is a little difficult to hear. https://www.nbcnews.com/media/george-stephanopoulos-say-biden-dont-think-serve-four-more-years-rcna161054 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17thfabn Posted July 10 Author Share Posted July 10 (edited) If Biden is to be replaced what would be the time line? I think he won't step aside. I believe his inner circle don't want to give up their power. If he is going to step aside what is the time line? I would think he would have to step aside no latter than the beginning of the Democratic Convention which starts August 19th. One positive of Biden staying on is it would be a smack down for the NY Times. It would remind them that the NY Times that they may be the mouth piece of the Democratic Party / Left, but they are not in control of the party. If Biden is to be replaced what would be the time line? I think he won't step aside. I believe his inner circle don't want to give up their power. If he is going to step aside what is the time line? I would think he would have to step aside no latter than the beginning of the Democratic Convention which starts August 19th. One positive of Biden staying on is it would be a smack down for the NY Times. It would remind them that the NY Times may be the mouth piece of the Democratic Party / Left, they are not in control of the party. Edited July 11 by 17thfabn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rmgill Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 16 hours ago, 17thfabn said: If Biden is to be replaced what would be the time line? I think he won't step aside. I believe his inner circle don't want to give up their power. If he is going to step aside what is the time line? I would think he would have to step aside no latter than the beginning of the Democratic Convention which starts August 19th. One positive of Biden staying on is it would be a smack down for the NY Times. It would remind them that the NY Times that they may be the mouth piece of the Democratic Party / Left, but they are not in control of the party. If Biden is to be replaced what would be the time line? I think he won't step aside. I believe his inner circle don't want to give up their power. If he is going to step aside what is the time line? I would think he would have to step aside no latter than the beginning of the Democratic Convention which starts August 19th. One positive of Biden staying on is it would be a smack down for the NY Times. It would remind them that the NY Times may be the mouth piece of the Democratic Party / Left, they are not in control of the party. You can say that again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17thfabn Posted July 11 Author Share Posted July 11 5 hours ago, rmgill said: You can say that again. I swear I am NOT AI. Was having trouble posting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 (edited) 33 minutes ago, 17thfabn said: I swear I am NOT AI. Was having trouble posting. Of course if you were AI, you'd be programmed to say that. 🙂 Edited July 11 by rmgill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted July 11 Share Posted July 11 Deckard; "It doesn't know." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17thfabn Posted July 12 Author Share Posted July 12 (edited) 6 hours ago, rmgill said: Of course if you were AI, you'd be programmed to say that. 🙂 I watched a You tube video on the T34 vs Panzer IV. It was narrated by AI. It was very bad. On top of being bad it kept calling the Panzer IV the Panzer "I V" pronouncing the letters instead of saying 4. If I was AI would I criticize my fellow AI creations? I am tempted to believe that Stewart is AI..... but he denies it. Maybe he is just a Red Bull junkie. Do they have Red Bull in the UK? Edited July 12 by 17thfabn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 According to Philip Dick and Ridley Scott, not just criticize, but "retire." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ssnake Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 It doesn't know what It is, because of memory implants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 Lets be fair, even an AI system would crash trying to justify what happened yesterday. 4 hours ago, 17thfabn said: I watched a You tube video on the T34 vs Panzer IV. It was narrated by AI. It was very bad. On top of being bad it kept calling the Panzer IV the Panzer "I V" pronouncing the letters instead of saying 4. If I was AI would I criticize my fellow AI creations? I am tempted to believe that Stewart is AI..... but he denies it. Maybe he is just a Red Bull junkie. Do they have Red Bull in the UK? Im not AI, im just a figment of my own deranged imagination. In truth, there is nobody in reality that could believe in climate change, protecting the market, Socialism, militarism, peace, war, defending Israel, defending Palestine, lloathing Biden, loathing Trump, defeating Russia, leaving Europe to defend itself. Scott Fitzgerald said that only an artist can believe in wholly contradictory things and still function. Ill leave others to judge whether I actually do function or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 You forgot loathing England and St George. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17thfabn Posted July 12 Author Share Posted July 12 (edited) Biden's recent appearances probably won't move the needle either way. He wasn't a total babbling idiot. He made some major mistakes. He called President Zelensky of Ukraine President Putin (the prince of darkness's representative on Earth). He said he picked Trump to be his Vice President because he had faith in him. He made a few less glaring mistakes. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/11/biden-press-conference-reactions/ Edited July 12 by 17thfabn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mighty_Zuk Posted July 13 Share Posted July 13 On 7/12/2024 at 10:10 AM, Stuart Galbraith said: In truth, there is nobody in reality that could believe in climate change, protecting the market, Socialism, militarism, peace, war, defending Israel, defending Palestine, lloathing Biden, loathing Trump, defeating Russia, leaving Europe to defend itself. Depends how you define "socialism" but I believe to some extent in all of these. It's possible to have seemingly contradictory ideas if they're simply a feature of believing in certain principles, and the evaluation of said principles in a scientific, rather than emotional way. For example defeating Russia and leaving Europe to defend itself. I always saw Trump's Europe-Russia policy as a way to deter hostilities, similar to how a parent might be harsh toward a drug addicted child because if he contains it too much he might ultimately just cause more harm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17thfabn Posted July 16 Author Share Posted July 16 (edited) Trump picks Senator Vance as his Vice Presidential running mate. He doesn't need him to help win Ohio. Vance is one of the younger U.S. Senators. I'm not sure what the strategic thinking was with this pick. The Republican Governor of Ohio, DeWine will pick his replacement if he becomes vice president. I'm not sure when the election to pick his replacement will be held. I am not 100 % sure the Republican party can hold on to this seat. https://apnews.com/article/trump-vice-president-vance-rubio-burgum-rnc-6cc438a8370a21b2631f5a53b06b71d0 Edited July 16 by 17thfabn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalkre Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 Loyalty to Trump above all. Reports have been stating that was the leading criteria for weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalkre Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 On 7/6/2024 at 8:56 AM, rmgill said: I want to see what he thinks. Since he’s such a defender of Biden and Harris. Nope, just standing up for reality... something so many here on TN have been detached from for some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalkre Posted July 16 Share Posted July 16 On 7/10/2024 at 2:59 PM, 17thfabn said: (George Clooney doesn't count. He is not a major Democrat figure, not really a major actor anymore.) Been meaning to respond to this. When Clooney came out with his statement I thought that was possibly a turning point where Biden might finally be forced out. Many of these D pols on the Hill who have actually been willing to come out and say anything ultimately mean nothing. Most Americans don't know who they are and outside their own district no one really gives a damn. But Clooney... and the Disney heiress who announced she was done donating to Ds til Biden departed... they represent the money, and money plays a massive role in winning. After the assassination attempt on Trump all this talk of Biden stepping aside seems to have subsided... but is it permanent or are folks just waiting for some time to pass before bringing it up again? We all thought '20 was a crazy election year... this one is making that election look tame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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