Stuart Galbraith Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 8 hours ago, rmgill said: Given how well Trump has been polling with minorities, I think that your idea that he won’t pick up votes is whistling past the grave yard. Also, how do they replace Biden and not get a fight? 25th amendment? That needs a 2/3rds vote. Also, the delegates are locked in. Also, is it going to be a Michelle and Harris campaign? I don’t think a campaign can set its money aside to another campaign. If not then ALL that money for the campaign will be gone. Will Kamala stand to be set aside? The most likely way is to convince him to drop out. Which currently he isnt, but if Obama had a word in his shelllike, it might just sink in. Just another old man making a death or glory charge at history, and everyone else is going to have to suffer for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DKTanker Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 6 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: The most likely way is to convince him to drop out. Which currently he isnt, but if Obama had a word in his shelllike, it might just sink in. Just another old man making a death or glory charge at history, and everyone else is going to have to suffer for it. The person needing to be convinced is Doctor First Lady Doctor Jill Biden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickM Posted June 29 Share Posted June 29 3 hours ago, DKTanker said: The person needing to be convinced is Doctor First Lady Doctor Jill Biden. Do you still remember those storylines for those ivory tower 'eunuch' magazines after Sleepy Joe got elected? How we got a 'real first lady' and the 'swagger' of Joe on the world stage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17thfabn Posted June 30 Author Share Posted June 30 In the debate Biden made reference to 150 or so historians calling Trump worst president ever. Generally historians lean away from making evaluations of current events. Who are these 150 historians? Looks like a poorly organized study. And again historians generally don't look at such recent events as the Trump & Biden presidency. "A project from professors at the University of Houston and Coastal Carolina University, included 154 usable responses, from 525 respondents invited to participate." "Out of all the U.S. presidents, Trump held the last place while Biden ranked No. 14 on the list. " I find it hard to believe Biden would rank that high out of 45. Again it is unusual for historians to evaluate recent events, and the study looks poorly organized. The worst part of it from Biden's people's point of view is he delivered his shot so poorly. https://www.whas11.com/article/news/nation-world/worst-american-president-rankings-trump-biden/507-ad850895-c631-4a02-88c5-5f3aba1cd5ba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 16 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: The most likely way is to convince him to drop out. Which currently he isnt, but if Obama had a word in his shelllike, it might just sink in. The Obamas have to convince Jill. She’s the regent for the president. 16 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: Just another old man making a death or glory charge at history, and everyone else is going to have to suffer for it. No. He’s just fading away. He isn’t making any charges at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 10 hours ago, 17thfabn said: In the debate Biden made reference to 150 or so historians calling Trump worst president ever. Generally historians lean away from making evaluations of current events. Who are these 150 historians? Looks like a poorly organized study. And again historians generally don't look at such recent events as the Trump & Biden presidency. "A project from professors at the University of Houston and Coastal Carolina University, included 154 usable responses, from 525 respondents invited to participate." "Out of all the U.S. presidents, Trump held the last place while Biden ranked No. 14 on the list. " I find it hard to believe Biden would rank that high out of 45. Again it is unusual for historians to evaluate recent events, and the study looks poorly organized. The worst part of it from Biden's people's point of view is he delivered his shot so poorly. https://www.whas11.com/article/news/nation-world/worst-american-president-rankings-trump-biden/507-ad850895-c631-4a02-88c5-5f3aba1cd5ba Reminds me of this. https://www.psychiatry.org/news-room/goldwater-rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucklucky Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 Leftist journalism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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EchoFiveMike Posted June 30 Share Posted June 30 It's not an error or mistake, it's fucking lies. Radical difference. S/F....Ken M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalkre Posted July 1 Share Posted July 1 Back when Trump was convicted in NY on his felony charges if you went to any site or news organization that was marginally Left-leaning you'd have seen a lot of commentary and reporting along the lines of "he's done! there's no recovering after this!" Lost in all of that were the concerns about how that case was built and whether it'd even hold up in appeal. Then followed record donations to the Trump campaign (closing the deficit they had compared to Biden's campaign) and even a small bump in some polls. The same thing (but swapping the roles) seems to have just happened with this debate. After Biden's poor performance the MAGA crowd and folks leaning R seemed to already start celebrating their win this Nov. Lost in Biden's poor performance was the reality that Trump didn't really do well himself. Then the Biden camp announced the most donations they'd received in a single day following the debate. Some polls showed no change or even a slight bump for Biden. In short... a few days now removed I think the takeaway is nothing really changed. The Biden camp/Ds are already sending out fundraising emails/requests after today's SCOTUS ruling (which per reports were already prepped regardless of what SCOTUS ruled) so it'll be interesting to see when we get the most detailed campaign finance reports in a month if the Biden camp is clearly back out in the lead. All in all... the race nobody wants keeps chugging along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 11 hours ago, Skywalkre said: Back when Trump was convicted in NY on his felony charges if you went to any site or news organization that was marginally Left-leaning you'd have seen a lot of commentary and reporting along the lines of "he's done! there's no recovering after this!" Lost in all of that were the concerns about how that case was built and whether it'd even hold up in appeal. Then followed record donations to the Trump campaign (closing the deficit they had compared to Biden's campaign) and even a small bump in some polls. Do you grasp the gulf between the railroading of Trump in New York and Biden’s own performance when he had rules for the debate specifically crafted by his staff, by a media network biased in his favor and in a venue of his own choosing? 11 hours ago, Skywalkre said: In short... a few days now removed I think the takeaway is nothing really changed. Given the split in the calls for Biden to step down, the staff leaking that its not them, the Biden family blaming the staff and news reports now from many angles about 3rd party views on Biden from G7 leaders and others. Sure, nothing has changed. When the campaign reaches the DNC convention we will see how well this ages. 11 hours ago, Skywalkre said: The Biden camp/Ds are already sending out fundraising emails/requests after today's SCOTUS ruling (which per reports were already prepped regardless of what SCOTUS ruled) Quick, look at the other thing!!! That evil corrupt supreme court! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 (edited) Just think the Dems could go with the backup... I'm going to go out on a limb and opine that I think she uses that shibboleth a bit much. Edited July 2 by rmgill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunday Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 We are witnessing the development of a big gaslighting operation, in the open, and in a most blatant manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17thfabn Posted July 2 Author Share Posted July 2 9 hours ago, rmgill said: Just think the Dems could go with the backup... I'm going to go out on a limb and opine that I think she uses that shibboleth a bit much. And in the unlikely event that President Biden decides to step aside as the Democrats Nominee, the Democrats can be UNBURDENED of Willie Brown's girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalkre Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 On 7/2/2024 at 7:38 AM, 17thfabn said: And in the unlikely event that President Biden decides to step aside as the Democrats Nominee, the Democrats can be UNBURDENED of Willie Brown's girl. If Biden steps aside (per D rules that decision is entirely his... and so far he's holding fast) Kamala is the likely replacement for a couple reasons. First, if Biden steps aside the nominee would come from the convention and would have to win over the delegates present. Those delegates are apparently picked/vetted by the Biden campaign so they'll already be favorable to Kamala. Second, there's just the nature of the D establishment. Remember, voters didn't want Biden from the get-go... but no one with a reasonable political future would risk going against the establishment to challenge him. Conventions tend to be establishment heavy, and Kamala is technically the next in line. IF this were to happen (and so far I'm not hearing any hint of Biden backing off) we'd have a Harris-Trump showdown... and I'm not sure that's a better option for the Ds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 (edited) 3 hours ago, Skywalkre said: If Biden steps aside (per D rules that decision is entirely his... and so far he's holding fast) Kamala is the likely replacement for a couple reasons. If Biden steps aside late, expect all manner of legal issues with the resultant candidacy. 3 hours ago, Skywalkre said: IF this were to happen (and so far I'm not hearing any hint of Biden backing off) we'd have a Harris-Trump showdown... and I'm not sure that's a better option for the Ds. Are you not unburdened? Edited July 6 by rmgill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DKTanker Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 I'm old enough to remember Joe Biden making a pledge that if elected president in 2020 he'd serve just the one term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17thfabn Posted July 6 Author Share Posted July 6 2 hours ago, DKTanker said: I'm old enough to remember Joe Biden making a pledge that if elected president in 2020 he'd serve just the one term. I don't remember that. I do remember his saying he would be a bridge to the future. Apparently he thinks his bridge will take 8 years to build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn239 Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 14 hours ago, Skywalkre said: IF this were to happen (and so far I'm not hearing any hint of Biden backing off) we'd have a Harris-Trump showdown... and I'm not sure that's a better option for the Ds. That's because Harris is not a quality candidate and she would not likely withstand the pressure of a federal campaign without showing serious flaws. The other option the Dems have would be to stick with Biden on condition that Harris is removed from the ticket and replaced with a real VP candidate. This has the advantage of not blowing the party up in the middle of an election, and not risking a coup against Biden, and then he runs as an independent anways as a final "FU" salute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 Hey Skywalkre, what were Harris’ qualifications again and why was she chosen as running mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivanhoe Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 hours ago, rmgill said: Hey Skywalkre, what were Harris’ qualifications again and why was she chosen as running mate? Don't ask Skywalkre, ask Willie Brown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmgill Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 I want to see what he thinks. Since he’s such a defender of Biden and Harris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murph Posted July 7 Share Posted July 7 HAHAHAHA! THIS: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17thfabn Posted July 8 Author Share Posted July 8 On 7/6/2024 at 8:38 AM, glenn239 said: The other option the Dems have would be to stick with Biden on condition that Harris is removed from the ticket and replaced with a real VP candidate. This has the advantage of not blowing the party up in the middle of an election, and not risking a coup against Biden, and then he runs as an independent anways as a final "FU" salute. There is almost ZERO % chance that Biden would replace Harris as his running mate if he continues his candidacy. Replacing Harris would most definitely blow up the Democratic party. The most loyal demographic to the Democratic party is black females. I've wondered how the Indian American community feels about Harris being a "black woman." It is little mentioned that Harris is 1/2 Indian from her mother's side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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