urbanoid Posted June 28 Posted June 28 If it's anyone else but Biden, my guess would be Gavin Newsom.
Stuart Galbraith Posted June 28 Posted June 28 11 minutes ago, Der Zeitgeist said: ROTFL. I saw his face this morning. I didnt need to watch the rest of it. Its all over, the West is doomed. But first, this note from our sponsor.
Burncycle360 Posted June 28 Posted June 28 This was planned obsolescence, you can tell because the major media outlets were just fine with gaslighting us for the past 4 years that he was "sharp and energetic" but immediately, simultaneously and in lockstep after this debacle they all transitioned to "protect his legacy but we should move on" mode. The purpose of this debate was to serve as a catalyst to begin this process. Now the party will be able to pick the candidate of their choosing without a proper primary process under the guise of it being too close to election
rmgill Posted June 28 Posted June 28 (edited) Biden is less hale than my grand mother was at 80 the year she died of cancer and could hit an 80 in golf. She didn’t need help down stairs. Edited June 28 by rmgill
DKTanker Posted June 28 Posted June 28 Speaking of golf, Trump missed a prime opportunity to get in a dig without mentioning himself. He should have pointed out that Biden’s handicap claim was 8 or even 12 years old. And that’s precisely the point, that was then, this is now.
Stuart Galbraith Posted June 28 Posted June 28 33 minutes ago, rmgill said: Biden is less hale than my grand mother was at 80 the year she died of cancer and could hit an 80 in golf. She didn’t need help down stairs. Would Crazy Golf be an option? I mean, they are both crazy, sooooo...
Der Zeitgeist Posted June 28 Posted June 28 Mit dem Angriff Newsoms wird das alles in Ordnung kommen.
Stuart Galbraith Posted June 28 Posted June 28 (edited) If the Democrats really ARE going to do a handbrake turn and endorse someone else, and they wont, because they are wedded to the incapable old duffer, but if they did, It would be Anthony Blinken. Whether he would want it of course is another matter. Edited June 28 by Stuart Galbraith
Der Zeitgeist Posted June 28 Posted June 28 1 minute ago, Stuart Galbraith said: If the Democrats really ARE going to do a handbrake turn and endores someone else, and they wont, because they are wedded to the incapable old duffer, but if they did, It would be Anthony Blinken. Whether he would want it of course is another matter. What's Al Gore doing these days? 😁
Stuart Galbraith Posted June 28 Posted June 28 Ah yes, the previous before last next President of the United States.
sunday Posted June 28 Posted June 28 https://rumble.com/v5496lb-one-of-the-best-videos-on-the-internet-is-a-meltdown-at-msnbc-over-bidens-d.html
glenn239 Posted June 28 Posted June 28 2 hours ago, Burncycle360 said: The purpose of this debate was to serve as a catalyst to begin this process. What debate? I thought it was supposed to be on CNN last night at 9pm, but when I tuned in they were running Weekend At Bernie's.
Stuart Galbraith Posted June 28 Posted June 28 21 minutes ago, seahawk said: Trump destroyed the old man. No, i think he was destroyed before he walked on stage. He just tripped over Trump whom happened to be in the way.
Stuart Galbraith Posted June 28 Posted June 28 Ryan, you know full well if Trump was on stage with Obama, he would get stomped. Against a halfway competent opponent, he would have been stomped. Biden isnt even halfway competent. Ergo, he will probably be replaced. It may turn out to be the worst thing for Trump, because now the Democrats are going to have to scrabble for someone (anyone but Hilary!) to replace Biden. Bad for Biden, probably worse for Trump. I was listening to an interesting podcast with Rory Stewart and Alastair Campbell, and they contended there may have been a a move among the Democrats to get this debate early, to show Biden up, and get rid of him. After watching the more excrutiating parts, Im inclined to think it might be true.
Skywalkre Posted June 28 Posted June 28 7 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said: I was listening to an interesting podcast with Rory Stewart and Alastair Campbell, and they contended there may have been a a move among the Democrats to get this debate early, to show Biden up, and get rid of him. After watching the more excrutiating parts, Im inclined to think it might be true. We really need to stop looking at everything that happens as if it's part of some overly convoluted conspiracy being run from the shadows. This is especially important to remember when we have actual conspiracies making their way to trial, involving Trump and his supporters from back in '20, and they tend to be far less... competent than folks envision them being. From the very beginning this push for an early debate was a calculated risk by the Biden team to breathe life into a campaign that up until this point was exciting nobody against a fairly weak opponent. That risk backfired. Miscalculations happen in life, sports, and here in politics. Now the question is - how much damage was done? I'll be curious to see what long term polls reflect. The mistake many on here are making is that while Biden looked bad that doesn't mean Trump looked good. Trump was still Trump - a malignant narcissist pulling shit out of his ass on a regular basis. Initial post-debate polling, coupled to discussion on social media, reaffirmed that folks are freaking out that these two are there options. If there's damage here I see it as possibly Biden suppressing his own voter base (which was already hanging on by a thread) instead of Trump picking up anyone (the result is effectively the same, though). I've talked on here for months how I could see this election dropping back down to '90s levels of voter turnout. Last night Biden did his part to make that more likely.
rmgill Posted June 28 Posted June 28 Given how well Trump has been polling with minorities, I think that your idea that he won’t pick up votes is whistling past the grave yard. Also, how do they replace Biden and not get a fight? 25th amendment? That needs a 2/3rds vote. Also, the delegates are locked in. Also, is it going to be a Michelle and Harris campaign? I don’t think a campaign can set its money aside to another campaign. If not then ALL that money for the campaign will be gone. Will Kamala stand to be set aside?
rmgill Posted June 28 Posted June 28 Also, we have been told for 3 ish years Biden is fit and hale. We’ve seen assertions on this very forum that he was fine. So how’d he look? The media is in panic mode because they have also had their involvement demonstrated. CNN especially.
17thfabn Posted June 29 Author Posted June 29 2 hours ago, Skywalkre said: The mistake many on here are making is that while Biden looked bad that doesn't mean Trump looked good. Trump was still Trump - a malignant narcissist pulling shit out of his ass on a regular basis. The rules actually helped Trump be less...... Trump. Turning their mikes off after two minutes kept him from talking over Biden and looking obnoxious. You really couldn't call what happened last night a debate. The moderators asked questions, and the two candidates talked about what they wanted for two minutes. Often as not having little to do with the questions. It looked to me like Trump had been coached to be less over the top. And he actually listened to his coaching! He was still a little obnoxious, but much less than normal.
futon Posted June 29 Posted June 29 Trump knows how to not be over the top, plenty of videos out there, but no one watches those. Things like press conferences with foriegn leaders that seldem get over a 100 views on YT. So now when it's something with lots of viewers, they see Trump being more reserved for the first time and so they thing it is indeed for the first time. Biden will inevitably have brain shutdowns or bad stutters on the debate stage. The only thing worse then doing "debating" is being incapable of "debating". Trump side just needs to let Biden's condition happen on its own. An early debate though may give democrat side time to offer up someone else. Maybe the Republican side can expect that. Blinken was grilled by Cruz on foreign policy during a hearing, so a debate basis has been vocalized.
rmgill Posted June 29 Posted June 29 15 hours ago, glenn239 said: What debate? I thought it was supposed to be on CNN last night at 9pm, but when I tuned in they were running Weekend At Bernie's. No, you were watching El Cid’s conclusion.
Rick Posted June 29 Posted June 29 6 hours ago, 17thfabn said: The rules actually helped Trump be less...... Trump. Turning their mikes off after two minutes kept him from talking over Biden and looking obnoxious. You really couldn't call what happened last night a debate. The moderators asked questions, and the two candidates talked about what they wanted for two minutes. Often as not having little to do with the questions. It looked to me like Trump had been coached to be less over the top. And he actually listened to his coaching! He was still a little obnoxious, but much less than normal. I don't see this as being obnoxious as much as I see it as an appropriate attitude to begin the process of draining the "swamp", ie, the morally and financially entity and mind-set that is destroying the responsible citizens and organizations of our country.
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