Perun Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) "Operation Unthinkable was the name given to two related possible future war plans developed by the British Chiefs of Staff Committee against the USSR during 1945. The plans were never implemented. The creation of the plans was ordered by British Prime Minister Winston Churchill in May 1945 and developed by the British Armed Forces' Joint Planning Staff in May 1945 at the end of World War II in Europe. One plan assumed a surprise attack on the Soviet forces stationed in Germany to impose "the will of the United States and British Empire" on the Soviets. "The will" was qualified as "a square deal for Poland", which probably meant enforcing the recently signed Yalta Agreement. The planners decided that without American help, the British would probably fail." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable I want to find more data on equipment and quantity and will post what I found so far. It is interesting scenario for wargaming at least to say. https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Операция_«Немыслимое»#/media/Файл%3AAllied_army_positions_on_10_May_1945.png https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Файл:Allied_army_positions_on_10_May_1945.png Edited February 2 by Perun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted January 6 Author Share Posted January 6 (edited) RAF numbers for 31st August 1945.: https://ww2aircraft.net/forum/threads/raf-strength-august-1945.61978/ Edited January 6 by Perun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted January 6 Author Share Posted January 6 USAAF 1945.: http://www.afhra.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-090608-042.pdf same book but could be downloaded here https://web.archive.org/web/20120127073834/http://www.afhra.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-090608-042.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted January 6 Author Share Posted January 6 (edited) VVS (FA and PVO) 1945.: ВОЕННАЯ ЛИТЕРАТУРА --[ Военная история ]-- Советская авиация в Великой Отечественной войне 1941-1945 гг. в цифрах ВОЕННАЯ ЛИТЕРАТУРА --[ Военная история ]-- Советская авиация в Великой Отечественной войне 1941-1945 гг. в цифрах http://militera.lib.ru/h/sovaviation/index.html Edited January 6 by Perun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted January 6 Author Share Posted January 6 It would be countinued with new data soon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouieD Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 @Perun At the National Archives CAB 120/691 Contingency planning against possible Russian aggression: Operation UNTHINKABLE [papers 22 May - 11 July 1945]; preliminary Anglo-US staff talks on Russian threat in Europe [papers 30 August 1946 - 3 February 1947] 1945 May-1947 Feb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 On 1/15/2024 at 12:34 AM, LouieD said: @Perun At the National Archives CAB 120/691 Contingency planning against possible Russian aggression: Operation UNTHINKABLE [papers 22 May - 11 July 1945]; preliminary Anglo-US staff talks on Russian threat in Europe [papers 30 August 1946 - 3 February 1947] 1945 May-1947 Feb Thanks mate 🙂 As usual your coments are wery welcomed and useful. Do you have pdf version, maybe? I only found picture version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Galbraith Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C378155 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouieD Posted January 19 Share Posted January 19 19 hours ago, Perun said: Thanks mate 🙂 As usual your coments are wery welcomed and useful. Do you have pdf version, maybe? I only found picture version No, hadn't had time to order it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 (edited) USAAF: https://web.archive.org/web/20120127073834/http://www.afhra.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-090608-042.pdf https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=171599 US Army tank strength 1945.: and: https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=130334 and: http://www.niehorster.org/013_usa/44-06-06_Neptune/44_tank-strengths/_tank-strengths.html this last is for 1944., it can be usefull Edited February 1 by Perun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 RAF 1945.: http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/raf-strength-nov44-may45.jpg http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/raf-strength-nov44-may45.jpg https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?t=171599 strength in squadrons British army tank stength: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 Soviet tank strength 1945.: https://publicism.info/history/armored/9.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 comparative technical characteristics of tanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RETAC21 Posted February 1 Share Posted February 1 (edited) 2 hours ago, Perun said: Soviet tank strength 1945.: https://publicism.info/history/armored/9.html These are very squishy numbers, what is war's end? Sept 45 or May? Also, aggregating T-34s and IS without distinction of types is, at least, misleading. EDITED TO ADD: Ok, these numbers come from Zaloga's Osprey volumes. Moving a bit, the Soviet tank inventory in 1947 was: T-34/76: 2000 T-34/85+T-44: 15460 IS-2/3/4: 2780 US Lend lease: 160 M3/M5 Stuart, 585 M4A2 Sherman Everything else (captured German tanks, obsolete stuff): 2855 Production Sep-1945-1947 (deduct them for Operation Unthinkable 1945) IS-3: 1878 IS-4: 52 T-34/85: 5742 T-44: 1053 Edited February 1 by RETAC21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 My premise was that war starts during 1945. as planed in plan "Unthinkable". I have found more sources and all of them agree on low Soviet numbers, both equipment and man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 In theory according TOE a Soviet ID have 9400 men the Guards was in general better but some regulars was also good. In 1945 they have 4500 - 7500 mens in general 5500 in fact a big Brigade ; in April to attack Koenigsberg IDs of the 3th Belorussian Front have 2500 ! - 4000 men they had received very few replacements, IDs used in Berlin Operation was in better conditions https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=79&t=128745&start=30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 (edited) Avarage strength of Soviet infantry division: winter 1941/42 - 5700 winter 1942/43 - 6000 ... In ETO 1945 - 5100 men avarage Средний численный состав стрелковых дивизий 1941—1945 гг. Кампании тыс. чел. Зимняя 1941/42 5,7 Зимняя 1942/43 6,0 Летне-осенняя 1943 5,5 Зимне-весенняя 1944 5,0 Летне-осенняя 1944 6,0 В Европе 1945 5,1 https://paul-atrydes.livejournal.com/54925.html Edited February 1 by Perun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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urbanoid Posted June 15 Share Posted June 15 I prefer the total war version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perun Posted July 3 Author Share Posted July 3 Operation "Unthinkable" https://archive.org/download/JonathanWalkerOperationUnthinkable2013/Jonathan Walker - Operation Unthinkable - 2013.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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