Meanwhile in South America - Venezuela vs Guyana

[RETAC21]

On 1/3/2024 at 5:20 PM, Josh said:

I suspect the RN boats also have some kind of buoy comm antenna that allows it to be called to raise its satellite mast. The USN is thought to have such a system. The buoy is anchored to the boat by cable and allows the SSN to receive or even transmit at deeper than periscope depths with a less detectable mast (I would guess a whip antenna of some kind but there are no open source descriptions of operation). There are also acoustic com buoys that helos can deploy in the general area of a sub from the air.

ELF+SSIXS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication_with_submarines

[Josh]

4 minutes ago, RETAC21 said:

ELF+SSIXS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communication_with_submarines

Does the RN have an ELF capable aircraft or would it rely on USN E-6s?

[glenn239]

1 hour ago, X-Files said:

 

Cheeky little English armed rowboat sails down to Guyana, it's mission to A) show the Union Jack, B ) act as a diplomatic reminder to assorted dumbasses and C) upon order, present middle fingers from the crew. Yay, 

Why would Venezuela care about any of that?

[RETAC21]

22 minutes ago, Josh said:

Does the RN have an ELF capable aircraft or would it rely on USN E-6s?

The US and the UK share the comms, IIRC they work mostly as a single force, but SSIXS was in use during the Falklands to much complains from sub captains that needed to submit daily reports.

[Stuart Galbraith]

42 minutes ago, glenn239 said:

Why would Venezuela care about any of that?

Then why did they threaten to mobilizer their armed forces in response? Anyone would think it was a Siebel ferry.

[rmgill]

TNN Alert. 

Multiple news reports are that Venezuela is deploying troops on the border with Guyana. 

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7 hours ago, rmgill said:

TNN Alert. 

Multiple news reports are that Venezuela is deploying troops on the border with Guyana. 

How can that be an alert when I read about it last week in the regular media?

[rmgill]

 

[Perun]

It is not about Venezuela but Argentina

Argentina inks deal to buy 24 F-16 jets from Denmark

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2024/04/16/argentina-inks-deal-to-buy-24-f-16-jets-from-denmark/

[Perun]

3 minutes ago, Perun said:

It is not about Venezuela but Argentina

Argentina inks deal to buy 24 F-16 jets from Denmark

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2024/04/16/argentina-inks-deal-to-buy-24-f-16-jets-from-denmark/

Argentina has finalised a deal to procure surplus Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcon combat aircraft from Denmark, signing a contract on 16 April.

The Danish Ministry of Defence (MoD) announced the milestone, saying the defence ministers of the two countries concluded the contract for the transfer of 24 former Royal Danish Air Force (RDAF) F-16AM/BM jets to the Argentine Air Force (Fuerza Aérea Argentina: FAA) during a signing ceremony at Skrydstrup Air Base in Denmark.

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/defence/latest/argentina-signs-for-f-16-fighters

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16 hours ago, Perun said:

It is not about Venezuela but Argentina

Argentina inks deal to buy 24 F-16 jets from Denmark

https://www.defensenews.com/air/2024/04/16/argentina-inks-deal-to-buy-24-f-16-jets-from-denmark/

Weren't Danish Falcons supposed to go to Ukraine?

[Ssnake]

One does not necessarily exclude the other.

[Perun]

46 minutes ago, ink said:

Weren't Danish Falcons supposed to go to Ukraine?

Money talks louder 😉

[Markus Becker]

4 minutes ago, Perun said:

Money talks louder 😉

Someone from here said it's to stop the Argentineans from buying Chinese jets. 

[Perun]

And what would be sent to Ukraine

[Markus Becker]

Check Bojan's thread. The info on F-16 should be there. 

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1 hour ago, Ssnake said:

One does not necessarily exclude the other.

Denmark has like 30-ish F-16s, right? If the Argies buy 24. What's left for Ukraine? Six airframes that were probably already cannibalised for spares?

[Markus Becker]

3 hours ago, ink said:

Denmark has like 30-ish F-16s, right? If the Argies buy 24. What's left for Ukraine? Six airframes that were probably already cannibalised for spares?

Denmark isn't the only one supplying them. 

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52 minutes ago, Markus Becker said:

Denmark isn't the only one supplying them. 

I know. It's just that I seem to remember quite a big deal being made of Denmark being in the F-16s for Ukraine coalition. But maybe my memory is just playing trick on me.

[James1978]

Denmark originally got 62 F-16A and 16 F-16B. They still have 30 in service, to be replaced by 27 F-35As. The sale to Argentina is for 16 F-16AM and 8 F-16BM. 19 have been pledged to Ukraine, I'm not sure of the A/B breakdown.

The Netherlands have pledged 48. Norway has pledged 5-10. Belgium has pledged an undisclosed number, but not before 2025.

[JWB]

 

[TrustMe]

I've seen this on other sites. It's got to be a joke  

Edited April 19, 2024 by TrustMe

[mandeb48]

4 hours ago, TrustMe said:

I've seen this on other sites. It's got to be a joke  

Argentina was named an US extra NATO ally in the 90s...

It didn't mean much at the time and I don't think it means much now...

Milei is not Argentina's first bootlicking president.

Edited April 19, 2024 by mandeb48

[Argus]

On 1/13/2024 at 5:56 AM, glenn239 said:

Why would Venezuela care about any of that?

Self preservation?

The 'gunboat' is deliberately non-threatening, it's intended to be publicly ignored, but at the same time it IS a statement of intent and a tripwire. You ask why the Venezuelan's should care, why would they not notice a major country saying quite clearly 'we will get involved if you do this.' For them to ignore it, would be bloody stupid.     

[glenn239]

10 hours ago, Argus said:

Self preservation?

The 'gunboat' is deliberately non-threatening, it's intended to be publicly ignored, but at the same time it IS a statement of intent and a tripwire. You ask why the Venezuelan's should care, why would they not notice a major country saying quite clearly 'we will get involved if you do this.' For them to ignore it, would be bloody stupid.     

In the five months since I asked the question, is there any indication that the Venezuelans have even noticed the British warship?  I think they care very  much what the Americans think.  With the British, it'll be about how London can influence Washington, not what the British themselves bring to the table.