New(ish) Japanese VTOL Carrier on sea trials

[TrustMe]

 

 

[TonyE]

"Kaga.......naval aviation......"

YES💪💯

[sunday]

Banzai!

Banzai!

Banzai!

[urbanoid]

Ok, Izumo should be renamed Akagi now, same with the class. Make the next ones Soryu and Hiryu.

ETA: Oops, there's already Soryu submarine, a lead of her class.

Edited November 15, 2023 by urbanoid

[Tim Sielbeck]

Shokaku and Zuikaku!

[Stuart Galbraith]

Not interested until we get Yamato and Shinano reboots.

Nice looking ship, I'm guessing she is roughly same displacement  as an Lph?

 

[urbanoid]

Since battleships don't make sense anymore, Yamato should be the name of the class of future arsenal ships of IJN. Or maybe ballistic missile submarines.  

[shep854]

Kido Butai sails again!! 

[lucklucky]

Don't see a sky jump.

[futon]

lol, (^-^)

Even though Kaga got the square front first, Izumo was first in having F-35Bs, via USMC, test land/take-off from it. 

 

[futon]

3 hours ago, lucklucky said:

Don't see a sky jump.

There will be no sky-jump as part of modifications to the Izumo-class. It became known that the flat square front was to be the design in September 2020 in that year's defense budget request. I havn't noticed any serious considerations for the sky jump which would help give the F-35B a little more range. The imagery from the manga Ibuki has led some to think that a sky jump would be planned. 

[futon]

6 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Not interested until we get Yamato and Shinano reboots.

Nice looking ship, I'm guessing she is roughly same displacement  as an Lph?

 

Kaga is small for the role. Max operational load (as in not some sort of dry ferry mode) probably would be just 8 F-35Bs with 2 helicopters. But its faster than the typical 20 knots of LHDs/LPHs. So while small, its still meaningful in being able to position a handful of fighters out into the middle of the pacific directly south of Japan so as to be able to contest with carriers 001 and 002's J-15s.

[Stuart Galbraith]

That sounds just about the same carriage as the Invincible class (maybe a few more helicopters). Which for their size gave excellent value, and the F35B is considerably more than the Harrier ever was, lord love it.

[futon]

Well, either Izumo or Kaga, will head over to the US east coast next year for similar testing/training that HMS Prince of Wales got. I'd imagine it should use that opportunity to make various stops along the way. So if it departs west, then it can make various stops from India to the ME and Europe, various joint trainings alng the way. All for a hull that carries 8 fighters, lol.. I'll grant its interesting how it can fit in a coalition naval force, the US with the big multi-role capable carriers, the big UK carriers as well but ahort on escorts, the Japanese little ones but more destroyers escorts to offer.. I sort of was hoping for at least two more carriers, bigger, at a 40 to 50,000 ton range. But I guess it makes since to use limited funds for various missiles on an ASAP plan. 

There are two arsenal-ish ships in the pipeline, originally reported to have 200 VLS but later changed to 128 but more destroyer like.. at 12 to 14,000 ton range I guess.. sort of Type 55 size. Wonder what names those get.. Nagato and Mutsu perhaps? Mutsu not so inspurational though. I can't imagine it earning Yamato. So for two more bigger carriers, Shokaku and Zuikaku seems fitting. If it comes to it. Of course. Also, the whole thing depends on ME oil, lol, have to scale in accordance to whats available. 

Yeah, its something.. Izumo and Kaga.. it's a function that results of what can do. 

[sunday]

6 minutes ago, futon said:

There are two arsenal-ish ships in the pipeline, originally reported to have 200 VLS but later changed to 128 but more destroyer like.. at 12 to 14,000 ton range I guess.. sort of Type 55 size.

Bit like those big KDX-III Korean destroyers?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sejong_the_Great-class_destroyer

[futon]

2 hours ago, sunday said:

Bit like those big KDX-III Korean destroyers?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sejong_the_Great-class_destroyer

Yes in how they'll have long range ground missiles. But size is bigger. Those are 170 meters long. Type 55s are 180 meters. The two Japanese ones planned are given as 190 meters long. So they're quite big. PLAN has 10 Type 55s accounted for at the moment though, and likely to make more. yet.

[kokovi]

 

3 hours ago, futon said:

Yes in how they'll have long range ground missiles. But size is bigger. Those are 170 meters long. Type 55s are 180 meters. The two Japanese ones planned are given as 190 meters long. So they're quite big. PLAN has 10 Type 55s accounted for at the moment though, and likely to make more. yet.

I have audited shipyards in Asia and I am convinced that Japan and Korea combined could easily win a production race for hulls against the rest of the world incl. China, if they really wanted to. The size and productivity of those facilities is in a league of its own.

[RETAC21]

10 hours ago, futon said:

Well, either Izumo or Kaga, will head over to the US east coast next year for similar testing/training that HMS Prince of Wales got. I'd imagine it should use that opportunity to make various stops along the way. So if it departs west, then it can make various stops from India to the ME and Europe, various joint trainings alng the way. All for a hull that carries 8 fighters, lol.. I'll grant its interesting how it can fit in a coalition naval force, the US with the big multi-role capable carriers, the big UK carriers as well but ahort on escorts, the Japanese little ones but more destroyers escorts to offer.. I sort of was hoping for at least two more carriers, bigger, at a 40 to 50,000 ton range. But I guess it makes since to use limited funds for various missiles on an ASAP plan. 

There are two arsenal-ish ships in the pipeline, originally reported to have 200 VLS but later changed to 128 but more destroyer like.. at 12 to 14,000 ton range I guess.. sort of Type 55 size. Wonder what names those get.. Nagato and Mutsu perhaps? Mutsu not so inspurational though. I can't imagine it earning Yamato. So for two more bigger carriers, Shokaku and Zuikaku seems fitting. If it comes to it. Of course. Also, the whole thing depends on ME oil, lol, have to scale in accordance to whats available. 

Yeah, its something.. Izumo and Kaga.. it's a function that results of what can do. 

Izumo is already at it

 

[sunday]

7 hours ago, kokovi said:

 

I have audited shipyards in Asia and I am convinced that Japan and Korea combined could easily win a production race for hulls against the rest of the world incl. China, if they really wanted to. The size and productivity of those facilities is in a league of its own.

This video could be illustrative

 

[futon]

JS Kaga's had its turn with testing F-35Bs, although unlike Izumo, it went to San Diego for the tests. Was in October last year.