Strannik Posted October 7, 2023 Posted October 7, 2023 42 minutes ago, BAMF said: You are not consistent. You are okay with Russian ethnic cleansing in the Ukraine. Deleting Gaza is objectively a positive policy move for Israel. False. I don't advocate ethnic cleansing.
lucklucky Posted October 7, 2023 Posted October 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Strannik said: False. I don't advocate ethnic cleansing. Your words do not show that and not only ethnic also religious, you support groups that have that in their charter.
Strannik Posted October 7, 2023 Posted October 7, 2023 38 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said: Marxism is not religeon - it is economic theory. To some degree, useful (as any theory) as it is internally consistent, but this consistency is bought by the price of excluding all non-economic factors from the model. As results, attempts to use Marxism outside of lection hall in real life with all its complexity is leading to trouble (or, at least, the need to twist and turn theory to match reality). Still, internal consistency is making it attractive. You are not going to make a dent here - the lingvo shows recalcitrance of the brain.
Mighty_Zuk Posted October 7, 2023 Posted October 7, 2023 21 minutes ago, Strannik said: Israeli politician is calling for genocide He is a member of Likud, therefore an extremist that the democratic protest movement seeks to remove from power, along with Netanyahu and co. They are incompetent. They can't even prevent such preventable massacres. Over 200 murder cases throughout the year that they couldn't get a handle of, about twice as many as last year. It's time professionals take charge. Then we'll show them how a real professional genocide is made.
crazyinsane105 Posted October 7, 2023 Posted October 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Roman Alymov said: Since when it is "Russian style"? One of our Kubinka team members served his conscription term as TG on static position somewhere on Golan hights hilltop (after being kicked out of TC school for joling with security officer - something he, as Russian Jew, was unable to resist temptation to do, but it is another story). Anyway, according to him (and his father who have repeatedly visited his position) it was all surrounded by minefields, with only one access road. More likely, Gaza border was not guarded in a way Syria border is, as Gaza Arabs do not have army. I just meant mimicking what is done in Ukraine. But good point on no minefields along Gaza As for mines along Gaza, I believe issue is that Palestinians may simply dig underneath them though. Would be difficult to stop tunnels dug underneath if there is a minefield on top of it. 1 hour ago, Mighty_Zuk said: I assume it'd go the other way around. Israel might expand the current security zone into Gaza to lay minefields.
lucklucky Posted October 7, 2023 Posted October 7, 2023 Peace Rave festival in border with Gaza was also attacked by Hamas. One of the woman murdered was said to be a German national. It is probable other non Israelis were also murdered and kidnapped. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2023/10/so-much-for-peace.php
Mike1158 Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 Some of the news contributors seemed to suh=ggest that Russia was behind the distraction, pardon me, attack. It has certainly bigged up US media attention and will cost the US yet more dosh to calm both sides down. Cerainly helps Russia, does it not?
glenn239 Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 25 minutes ago, Mike1158 said: Some of the news contributors seemed to suh=ggest that Russia was behind the distraction, pardon me, attack. It has certainly bigged up US media attention and will cost the US yet more dosh to calm both sides down. Cerainly helps Russia, does it not? Russia I doubt. OTOH, I find it difficult to suppose that Iran had no idea this attack was coming.
crazyinsane105 Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, glenn239 said: Russia I doubt. OTOH, I find it difficult to suppose that Iran had no idea this attack was coming. Iranians for sure helped coordinate and orchestrate this. No way they wouldn’t be aware Russian government can care less about this. Edited October 8, 2023 by crazyinsane105
crazyinsane105 Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 Death toll for Israel now at 300. This is even before stepping foot into neighboring territory captured by Palestinians. Nobody knows for sure how many soldiers killed in the bases overrun, but these were divisional headquarters of Gaza response units. So it explains complete lackluster response by the Israelis for the first day.
lucklucky Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 Quote Direct Translation via Google Translate. Edited. Text and video taken from the V Kontakte page of “Military Chronicle” channel. The main focus is on mobile groups. Dump trucks, pickups and even mopeds are used for transportation. The attack began early in the morning, when almost all the Israeli army soldiers were asleep and were in the barracks or on leave at home. According to preliminary data, the border guards were killed by sniper fire and did not have time to raise the alarm. Heavy Israeli armored vehicles captured at border crossings are not yet used for combat, but armored vehicles with machine guns, automatic grenade launchers and other weapons are already being actively used by Palestinians against Israeli police units. The latter cannot yet adequately respond and are not able to stop the threat. Massive shelling of Qassam missiles is gradually being transferred from civilian and military targets to infrastructure. The Rutenberg power plant in Ashkelon is reported to have been hit. Strikes by Israeli drones, aircraft and helicopters are so far ineffective: the Palestinians are actively using MANPADS both from residential buildings and from ambushes prepared in advance. Without lengthy preparation and detailed intelligence, it is almost impossible to plan, much less carry out, such an attack. What kind of special forces can Israel send to fight Hamas? The Israeli army has begun to use aircraft and drones to destroy Hamas mobile groups, but has not yet achieved serious success. What is happening in Israel at the moment? Palestinian infantry actively uses MANPADS and fires at aerial targets, making the mission more difficult. To neutralize the threat, Israel sent several special forces at once, but their number may be increased. What divisions does Israel have? The first to join the work against Hamas were YAMAM fighters - special police forces, an analogue of the American SWAT and the Russian SOBR. They are responsible for limited anti-terrorism operations. It is expected that fighters from “Saeret Maktal” and “Duvdevan” will arrive in the special operation zone in a few hours to reinforce them. These units operate within the structure of the General Staff of the Israel Defense Forces and are a functional analogue of the special forces of the GRU General Staff in Russia. Additionally, units from other districts and branches of the military may be involved in the operation: “Saeret Golani” (reconnaissance squad of the Golani infantry brigade), “Saeret Tsankhanim” (reconnaissance squad of the paratrooper brigade), “Saeret Nahal” (reconnaissance squad of the Nahal infantry brigade) ), as well as “Saeret Givati” (reconnaissance squad of the “Givati” infantry brigade). In parallel, the deployment of the Psagot battalion is expected. Its employees are responsible for communications and electronic warfare in the combat zone. Also, to suppress Hamas activity, anti-partisan special forces “Saeret Egoz” and “Saeret Maglan”, whose main specialization is combating equipment and ground operations, can be deployed. Also in the near future we can expect the deployment of the “Egoz” (“Nut”) battalion, responsible for the destruction of the enemy in the occupied territories. ✔What territory does Hamas currently control? By the evening of October 7, Hamas had advanced 35-40 km from the GAZA Strip. At the moment, the Palestinians control about 1.5 thousand square meters. km of Israeli territory - from Kerem Shalom in the west to the outskirts of Sderot, Netivot and Ashkelon in the north and northeast. Hamas controls the territory of the Eshkol district council, as well as the roads leading towards the Israeli Hatzerim airbase, where Israeli F-35I Adir fighters are based, and the entrances to the Tzehelim military base. ✔What objects can Hamas attack: analysis of the Military Chronicle There are several key objects in the immediate vicinity of the occupied territories. Some of them have already been captured, others have been evacuated. What objects are we talking about? The first target that Hamas forces managed to capture was the Hatzerim airbase. It was from there that the Israelis hurriedly took out F-16 fighters. Just 15 km from it, as the Palestinian infantry moves east, is the city of Beersheba, behind which is the Nevatim airbase. Lockheed Martin F-35I (Adir) fighters have been stationed there since November last year. Ramon air base is located directly in the direction of Hamas's western flank, 75 km from Gaza. Israeli F-16I Sufa fighters were based there. Palmachim Air Base is located between Ashkelon and Tel Aviv. It was one of the first strikes by Qassam missiles. The 161st UAV Squadron of the Israeli Air Force and several dozen Elbit Hermes 450 attack drones are located there. Almost in the same place, between Gedera and Rehovot, there is the Tel Nof airbase. The 133rd and 106th squadrons of the Israeli Air Force with F-15 fighters are based there. The Sdot Micha military base is located 15 km west of Jerusalem. There is one of the most classified facilities in the country: a missile unit with Jericho-3 ballistic missiles. If the operation of these facilities is paralyzed and expensive equipment is destroyed, Israel can significantly reduce the number of airstrikes, which at the moment are the only effective response to Hamas.
crazyinsane105 Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 The fact Hamas has come this close to overrunning an airbase is just astounding.
lucklucky Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 There is a silver lining about this. The trust Israelis put in their Intelligence corps is broken. Now they will have to get to basics and not just believe the crap that came from them. I would not even be surprised that this operation wasn't known before by the Intel structure and by USA intel since the upper echelons of any western army are full mode in political manipulation.
lucklucky Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) Or maybe not or taking one for the team Edited October 8, 2023 by lucklucky
lucklucky Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 27 minutes ago, crazyinsane105 said: The fact Hamas has come this close to overrunning an airbase is just astounding. Don't forget Israel is a small country
Mighty_Zuk Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 6 hours ago, crazyinsane105 said: As for mines along Gaza, I believe issue is that Palestinians may simply dig underneath them though. Would be difficult to stop tunnels dug underneath if there is a minefield on top of it. I assume Hamas might have some plans but generally speaking tunnels close to the fence are no longer a viable option en masse. The border fence is equipped with underground seismic sensors and the IDF has capabilities to demolish such tunnels from a distance.
Mighty_Zuk Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 1 hour ago, lucklucky said: There is a silver lining about this. The trust Israelis put in their Intelligence corps is broken. Now they will have to get to basics and not just believe the crap that came from them. This was not an intelligence failure. I have explained it before. It was a manpower issue. You may hear of some calls among Israelis about "traitors" but that's just the typical Netanyahu's division tactics.
lucklucky Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, Mighty_Zuk said: This was not an intelligence failure. I have explained it before. It was a manpower issue. You may hear of some calls among Israelis about "traitors" but that's just the typical Netanyahu's division tactics. Don't be ridiculous.
AttilaA Posted October 8, 2023 Posted October 8, 2023 (edited) Many of these “Nafo fellas” are hypocrite racist pos charlatans. https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1710745091147526469?s=46 Edited October 8, 2023 by AttilaA
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