Iron Swords vs. Al-Aqsa Deluge - Israel/Palestinians (again)

[glenn239]

3 hours ago, Rick said:

Appears there were and will be many horrible aspects of this war that Hamas began and continued that they did not consider. Or care. 

Hamas didn't bomb an aid convoy, Israel did.  

Edited April 6, 2024 by glenn239

[Ivanhoe]

1 hour ago, glenn239 said:

Hamas didn't bomb an aid convoy, Israel did.  

Israel didn't boobytrap corpses and the badly injured, Hamas did.

Israel didn't gang-rape dozens of innocent women, Hamas did.

Israel didn't throw grenades into bomb shelters, Hamas did.

The irony of the global situation revisting Matthew 7:3-5 is tragically humorous.

 

[Markus Becker]

1 hour ago, glenn239 said:

Hamas didn't bomb an aid convoy, Israel did.  

That is a statement so utterly absurd it makes a parody of itself. What did the Romans ever to for us level ironic. 

[Perun]

12 minutes ago, Ivanhoe said:

Israel didn't boobytrap corpses and the badly injured, Hamas did.

Israel didn't gang-rape dozens of innocent women, Hamas did.

Israel didn't throw grenades into bomb shelters, Hamas did.

The irony of the global situation revisting Matthew 7:3-5 is tragically humorous.

 

Really? Are you really quoting the New Testament? If you really knew the New Testament, you wouldn't be hypocritical and accuse only hamas.

[Perun]

2 minutes ago, Markus Becker said:

That is a statement so utterly absurd it makes a parody of itself.

Why is it so? 

[Mighty_Zuk]

2 hours ago, glenn239 said:

Bullshit.  You can request to join NATO.

How is that related to anything?

If anything this mindset of appeasing terrorists and caving in to radical islam is most prevalent in NATO members.

1 hour ago, glenn239 said:

Hamas didn't bomb an aid convoy, Israel did.  

That is objectively false. Although the aid convoy was struck by Israeli munitions, ultimately anything that occurred in Gaza since October 7th is entirely Hamas's fault.

Hamas is directly responsible for the murder of 1,400 Israelis and 30,000 Palestinians, so statistically for the IDF to be responsible for 7 of those deaths is nearly impossible.

 

[seahawk]

Since Mai 1948 Zionists are responsible for everything that happens in Palestine.

[Mighty_Zuk]

12 minutes ago, seahawk said:

Since Mai 1948 Zionists are responsible for everything that happens in Palestine.

Why Palestine? We also control you and every world government.

[Perun]

Israel made and financed Hamas so it is responsible for their actions. 

 

Edited April 6, 2024 by Perun

[Markus Becker]

1 hour ago, Perun said:

Why is it so? 

For starters: All the many atrocities committed by HamAss even before October 7th. 

More in depth: HamAss is intentionally violating each and and law of war, the IDF mis-IDed the aid convoy. That's at worst negligence. 

[Mighty_Zuk]

11 minutes ago, Perun said:

Israel made and financed Hamas so it is responsible for their actions. 

 

Therefore the Palestinians have no agency therefore they are lesser people? Wow I knew you were racist against Palestinians but not this much.

 

IDF retrieved the body of Elad Katzir. He was found buried in Khan Younis so assumed to be executed by the Islamic Jihad, and he was likely found based on precise intel. He was shown a few months ago in PIJ's videos.

Shin Bet sent experts in locating hostages to Gaza where they accompany combat units.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-commandos-retrieve-body-of-hostage-elad-katzir-murdered-in-islamic-jihad-captivity/

[Perun]

The public has been repulsed by the actions of the Israeli government in Gaza, incoming Taoiseach Simon Harris has said.

Mr Harris said that Ireland stands ready to recognise the Palestinian state while calling for a two-state solution.

In his keynote speech at the Fine Gael Ard Fheis in Galway, the Fine Gael leader said the ongoing humanitarian crisis in Gaza has worsened “before our eyes” and Ireland cannot stay silent on the actions of Israel.

“We condemn the massacre carried out by Hamas in October and again call for the release of all hostages,” Mr Harris said.

“But we cannot stay silent on the actions of Israel either. Reason has been replaced by revenge and by the bombing, maiming and death of children.” 

Mr Harris criticised the Israeli government for the lack of aid being allowed to enter Gaza, describing it as a famine.

“Anyone who can countenance deliberate starvation has lost their humanity,” he said.

“Prime minister Netanyahu, the Irish people could not be clearer. We are repulsed by your actions. Ceasefire now and let the aid flow safely.”

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41368807.html

 

[Perun]

Israeli military flights should be banned from UK airspace, the Scottish Greens have demanded, as they continued to press for a ban on arm sales to Israel.

There have been growing numbers of voices calling for the UK to end arms sales to Israel following the killing of three British citizens in an airstrike in Gaza.

They were among the seven World Central Kitchen (WCK) aid workers who were killed in an attack by the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) on Monday.

But Scottish Greens are also demanding action to stop Israeli military planes using UK air space.

With party co-leader Lorna Slater insisted the Greens will "not stand back and be complicit in slaughter" she insisted that more should be done.

Ms Slater, speaking at the Scottish Green spring conference in Edinburgh, said that pressure from Greens and others meant that "Israeli military flights are now banned from using the publicly owned Prestwick airport".

But she added: "One airport is not enough.

"The Scottish Greens are calling for Israeli military flights to be banned from all UK airspace, and an immediate halt to all UK arms sales to Israel."

https://www.forces.net/politics/ban-israeli-military-flights-uk-airspace-demand-scottish-greens

[TrustMe]

The Green party is a non-entity in UK politics.

[Ssnake]

Useless appeals to authority, because the authorities appealed to are useless.

[glenn239]

3 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

How is that related to anything?

You said Israel has no choices.  But Israel does have a choice.  They can ask to join NATO. 

 

[glenn239]

3 hours ago, Perun said:

Israel made and financed Hamas so it is responsible for their actions. 

Israel took out the guards, surrounded the jail and left the inmates in charge.  Now they whine that the worst of the inmates run the prison.

This situation will not be resolved until an outside coalition resolves it.  One way or the other.

Edited April 6, 2024 by glenn239

[Mighty_Zuk]

3 minutes ago, glenn239 said:

You said Israel has no choices.  But Israel does have a choice.  They can ask to join NATO. 

If you say that NATO IS willing to fight someone like Hamas despite the usage of human shields, then NATO members have no right to lecture Israel on morality.

[Mighty_Zuk]

2 minutes ago, glenn239 said:

Israel took out the guards, surrounded the jail and left the inmates in charge.  Now they whine that the worst of the inmates run the prison.

This situation will not be resolved until an outside coalition resolves it.  One way or the other.

No you got that wrong. The US created Hamas, and Israel controls the US. Important distinction.

[Pavel Novak]

12 hours ago, glenn239 said:

You said Israel has no choices.  But Israel does have a choice.  They can ask to join NATO. 

 

But that would be further NATO escalation towards Russia! Or something like that I was told.

[Mistral]

I have to say that the inability of IDF to defeat hamas in 6 months is a masterstroke.  Who ever thought of it deserves a ton of medals.  
Since they do not own the area they are not responsible for the civies.  If they all die of starvation it’s the fault of hamas.

I thought the Turkish solution to the problem would not be feasible due to lack of land depth, and the German solution is not feasible in the woke era we are in.

They need to no cave in to pressure for a few more months.

[Mighty_Zuk]

13 minutes ago, Mistral said:

I have to say that the inability of IDF to defeat hamas in 6 months is a masterstroke.  Who ever thought of it deserves a ton of medals.  
Since they do not own the area they are not responsible for the civies.  If they all die of starvation it’s the fault of hamas.

I thought the Turkish solution to the problem would not be feasible due to lack of land depth, and the German solution is not feasible in the woke era we are in.

They need to no cave in to pressure for a few more months.

IDF wanted to finish this months ago, if it weren't for the US pressure to delay the Rafah op until after elections.

[Mighty_Zuk]

Reports of IDF withdrawing all but one infantry brigade in Gaza

https://x.com/manniefabian/status/1776894050072748358

[Rick]

15 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

No you got that wrong. The US created Hamas, and Israel controls the US. Important distinction.

How did the U.S. create Hamas?

[Mighty_Zuk]

9 minutes ago, Rick said:

How did the U.S. create Hamas?

Ahh of course none will question how we control the US.