crazyinsane105 Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, Yama said: Gaza was never part of Egypt, so I don't think there was ever a prospect of 'giving it back'. Egypt had control over it in ‘67 before Israel took it away. Egypt was probably relieved to have gotten back all their territory after 73 and not be stuck with the burden of Gaza. 12 minutes ago, Josh said: What Arab country would that be? Egypt? Jordan? Syria? There is no Arab country capable and willing of such, plus they were caught by the same surprise Israel was. I will grant you Hezbollah missed the best military opportunity it will ever have, though I would argue they too are hardly able to open an offensive overnight either. And what would they have gained other than giving Israel the blankest check possible to do to Lebanon what they are doing to Gaza? I've no idea what happens now. If Hamas is deliberately trying to drag Iran into this with them, then they are burning one of their most important suppliers in the process. I think they consider this to be an existential fight. They would be stupid to mount this effort unless they conscious of it being their last stand. I agree that no other Arab country would do anything as none of them had the necessary forces mobilized anyways. Just saying if there were a few divisions of troops and tanks on Israel’s border, it would make life for Israel much more difficult Hezbullah seems to be sitting this one out as well
lucklucky Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, seahawk said: Get over your "evil left" thinking. Religious extremism does not know left or right. And yes, some leftist would be happy to see the "oppressor" being killed, but at least in Europe you find very few saying this after the videos of the murdering. Really The Marxist European left do not know what Hamas does !? Or Heezbolah, or any Islamic regime? And why do you think all people outside the West are evil? When lots of evil some of them did was with Euro Marxist support.
RETAC21 Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 3 hours ago, urbanoid said: There should be no occupation of Gaza, it's unsustainable and a political nightmare, for either Israel or the US. Quite the contrary, there's no alternative to occupying Gaza and cleaning house there, taking responsibility for the territory, but in the same vein as the occupation of Germany in 1945:
Mike1158 Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 Sadly that has not worked thus far. Wen martyrdom is considered a great thing killing loses it's threat.
crazyinsane105 Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, Mike1158 said: Sadly that has not worked thus far. Wen martyrdom is considered a great thing killing loses it's threat. Nailed it. That’s the issue…
lucklucky Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, RETAC21 said: Quite the contrary, there's no alternative to occupying Gaza and cleaning house there, taking responsibility for the territory, but in the same vein as the occupation of Germany in 1945: It is the obvious answer. 6 minutes ago, Mike1158 said: Sadly that has not worked thus far. Wen martyrdom is considered a great thing killing loses it's threat. That was never done. One simple example i am not aware that Allies were supplying energy, water, food to Nazi Germany in war. A sign how disfunctional the world is, Israel was supplying water, food, medical supplies, energy until days ago while Hamas was arming itself to murder Israelis and not only Israelis. Edited October 9, 2023 by lucklucky
Burncycle360 Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 Bury in pigskin and reassess their willingness to martyr themselves.
crazyinsane105 Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-prime-minister-advises-israelis-131234162.html So apparently, this is the way to seek out Hamas pretending to be IDF soldiers. Which begs the question…has the IDF not regained control of territories outside of Gaza on the third day??
RETAC21 Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 13 minutes ago, Mike1158 said: Sadly that has not worked thus far. Wen martyrdom is considered a great thing killing loses it's threat. Despite what it appears, most people would rather not be martyred themselves, though they tend to be Ok if others do. WB which is occupied suffers much less martyrs than Gaza, so there are benefits, despite the price.
EchoFiveMike Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 Historical illiterates and women wringing their soft hands....all this has been done before and shall be done again. The Concentration Camps of the Anglo-Boer War (warhistoryonline.com) You don't get it. This is the path of moderation. S/F....Ken M
sunday Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, EchoFiveMike said: Historical illiterates and women wringing their soft hands....all this has been done before and shall be done again. The Concentration Camps of the Anglo-Boer War (warhistoryonline.com) You don't get it. This is the path of moderation. S/F....Ken M Or https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine–American_War
rmgill Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 1 hour ago, seahawk said: Only in the West. Not so much... There are pro-Hamas rallies in parts of the US and Canada.
lucklucky Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 Quote The Israel Defense Forces says combat helicopters are carrying out new strikes in Lebanon. The IDF does not immediately provide further details. The strikes come after a number of gunmen infiltrated into northern Israel from Lebanon earlier. IDF troops killed several of them, the military said. Islamic Jihad claims northern border attack The Gaza Strip-based Palestinian Islamic Jihad terror group claims responsibility for the armed infiltration on the Lebanon border earlier today. The terror group makes the announcement on its Telegram channel, calling the attack part of the ongoing war between Israel and terror groups in Gaza.
seahawk Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 37 minutes ago, lucklucky said: Really The Marxist European left do not know what Hamas does !? Or Heezbolah, or any Islamic regime? And why do you think all people outside the West are evil? When lots of evil some of them did was with Euro Marxist support. It does not matter what people are, it only matters what people willing to finance Hamas are. There are evil people in the West as well, as can be seen by some leftist support for Hamas and even open celebrations.
Skywalkre Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 27 minutes ago, crazyinsane105 said: Which begs the question…has the IDF not regained control of territories outside of Gaza on the third day?? I'm confused about this as well. Before going to bed last night I was hearing reports that they had... but this morning it sounds like instead they may have only secured the the border with Gaza but have pockets in their own territory that are still not under control. Also worrisome was a report given by an IDF spokesman last night stating that their estimates were 1k infiltrators had made their way into the country and they had only killed 400 up to that point. The combatfootage subreddit has a plethora of videos from this and one thing that keeps popping up is police engaging with just sidearms. I remember going back decades images of Israel where it seemed almost everyone had a rifle, especially authorities. Have Israeli security forces downgraded over the years? Were those pics only of on-duty military?
Rob Veenendaal Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 12 minutes ago, Skywalkre said: it sounds like instead they may have only secured the the border with Gaza but have pockets in their own territory that are still not under control Seemingly there are still tunnels in use. I have some experience there. They can be camouflaged in such a way that it makes them very hard to detect. May be use of dogs or infra red satellite images might help.
Strannik Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 According to this Israel is looking to widen this conflict
Skywalkre Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 Just now, Rob Veenendaal said: Seemingly there are still tunnels in use. I have some experience there. They can be camouflaged in such a way that it makes them very hard to detect. May be use of dogs or infra red satellite images might help. That would square one report I saw... where they stated the border was secured but infiltrators are still coming across. Maybe they're just talking of the above-ground installations that were lost on the opening day? I understand operations are ongoing and to some degree operational security dictates we won't get the full picture... but reports still feel like this whole affair started hours ago rather than days given how unclear they are.
crazyinsane105 Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, Rob Veenendaal said: Seemingly there are still tunnels in use. I have some experience there. They can be camouflaged in such a way that it makes them very hard to detect. May be use of dogs or infra red satellite images might help. Tunneling issue into Israel was solved a while ago through seismic detectors though…
Rob Veenendaal Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 1 minute ago, crazyinsane105 said: Tunneling issue into Israel was solved a while ago through seismic detectors though… Tunnels are reported to be there despite seismic system.....
RETAC21 Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 5 minutes ago, crazyinsane105 said: Tunneling issue into Israel was solved a while ago through seismic detectors though… Build a decoy tunnel and a real one at the same time, one will survive.
BansheeOne Posted October 9, 2023 Author Posted October 9, 2023 Quote Rockets cause injuries near Jerusalem, as south tallies dead and IDF strikes back Rockets target communities across southern and central Israel, injuring child near capital; regional council, police identify some of the dead; Air Force launches wave of airstrikes By EMANUEL FABIAN and TOI STAFF Today, 9:34 pm Fresh rocket strikes pounded Israeli communities on Monday, causing casualties, as southern towns tallied their dead, the Israel Defense Forces launched counterstrikes against the Hamas terror group in Gaza, and Hamas threatened to start executing hostages it had captured from Israel. Rocket sirens wailed in over a dozen Israeli communities, including the cities of Jerusalem, Tel Aviv, Sderot, Ashdod, Ashkelon, Rishon Lezion, and Beersheba. Southern border towns were also relentlessly targeted. The violence came a day after Israel formally declared a state of war, as the death toll from the massive Hamas attack rose above 900, according to Hebrew media reports, and was expected to rise further, with the fate of over a hundred people abducted and taken into the Gaza Strip still unclear. [...] Meanwhile, Hamas threatened to begin executing hostages in response to Israeli strikes in Gaza carried out without warnings, the spokesperson for Hamas’s Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades said, according to Gaza’s Shehab news outlet. “From this hour, any targeting of our people in the safety of their homes, without warning, will be met with the execution of civilian hostages, which will be broadcast with video and audio,” said the spokesperson, who goes by the nom de guerre Abu Obeida. A defense official reportedly told Knesset members in a briefing earlier in the day that Israel was not dropping dummy bombs on roofs of buildings set to be targeted, meant to warn civilians to flee. [...] The IDF said it launched massive airstrikes during the day, including many targeting a coastal neighborhood of Gaza City, targeting dozens of sites. It called the area, dubbed al-Furqan after a mosque in the area, a “nest of terror” used by Hamas to launch attacks against Israel. Dozens of fighter jets participated in the strikes, the IDF said. Clashes between Palestinian terrorists and Israeli forces were reported near Kibbutz Karmia, close to the northern border with the Gaza Strip, the Hof Ashkelon Regional Council said. Local authorities said Israeli troops apparently came under fire, prompting reinforcements to be called in. [...] The death toll in the Gaza Strip has risen to 687, including 140 children, the health ministry in the Palestinian enclave said. Another 2,900 people were injured since Saturday’s surprise dawn attack. [...] Tensions also soared on Israel’s northern border with Lebanon, with mortar fire setting off sirens in Israeli communities, Hezbollah issuing a threat, terrorists infiltrating, the IDF launching counterstrikes, and residents told to take cover. https://www.timesofisrael.com/rockets-cause-injuries-near-jerusalem-as-south-tallies-dead-and-idf-strikes-back/
lucklucky Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 10 minutes ago, Strannik said: According to this Israel is looking to widen this conflict Israel was attacked from Lebanon but obviously that do not matter to you.
Stuart Galbraith Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 57 minutes ago, crazyinsane105 said: https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-prime-minister-advises-israelis-131234162.html So apparently, this is the way to seek out Hamas pretending to be IDF soldiers. Which begs the question…has the IDF not regained control of territories outside of Gaza on the third day?? They thought they had, but still going on in some areas apparently. I read of one occasion when an old woman and carer were rescued by a Palestinian occupying their house. Conceivably there may be more of that going on.
Rob Veenendaal Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 12 minutes ago, crazyinsane105 said: Tunneling issue into Israel was solved a while ago through seismic detectors though… Regarding the seismic detectors: That is usually based on detecting sounds like hammering. Don't know what the material they have to get through, but taking in account that a lot of Gaze city has underground tunnels, it is probably some soft limestone. An electric chainsaw will cut through that like through butter and near soundless. Normal chains wear out fast in limestone, but there are special hardened ones.
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