Authoritarian and Totalitarian Democracies

[Ivanhoe]

Whoops, wrong thread. I blame Big Government.

 

 

[lucklucky]

 

 

[lucklucky]

 

So books written years ago must be burned...because some future law will make them hate speech...

In more detail and it is much worse with MSM hiding the most totalitarian aspects.  https://www.racket.news/p/note-to-readers-in-search-of-the

Note to Readers: In Search of the Great Canadian Terror

Canada's Online Harms Act is packed with futuristic horrors, but with a few notable exceptions, politicians and media have tried to keep the worst parts hidden

 

[sunday]

Yep

 

[R011]

As even noted on the post above, old hate speech is only prosecutable of it can be removed and has not been.

[sunday]

Oh, then it is perfect!

[urbanoid]

1 hour ago, sunday said:

Oh, then it is perfect!

Yes, you only have to check all your posts on every platform all the way back and delete anything that might be interpreted as 'hate speech'. 

[sunday]

37 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

Yes, you only have to check all your posts on every platform all the way back and delete anything that might be interpreted as 'hate speech'. 

And not once, but every time the definition of hate speech changes!

[urbanoid]

8 minutes ago, sunday said:

And not once, but every time the definition of hate speech changes!

Maybe delete everything then and spend the rest of your life not talking, except to apologize for your patriarchal heterosexual white privilege. Just do it smartly, so nothing in your apology can be interpreted as hate speech.

[sunday]

28 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

Maybe delete everything then and spend the rest of your life not talking, except to apologize for your patriarchal heterosexual white privilege. Just do it smartly, so nothing in your apology can be interpreted as hate speech.

Getting out of Canada seems easier.

[urbanoid]

Yeah, the issue is with Canada. For now. 

[sunday]

43 minutes ago, urbanoid said:

Yeah, the issue is with Canada. For now. 

Exactly.

Forewarned is forearmed or, in Latin, Praemonitus, praemunitus.

[lucklucky]

16 hours ago, R011 said:

As even noted on the post above, old hate speech is only prosecutable of it can be removed and has not been.

I see your tolerance to totalitarianism. You have to burn the old book you wrote because it is now hate speech...

[urbanoid]

14 minutes ago, lucklucky said:

I see your tolerance to totalitarianism. You have to burn the old book you wrote because it is now hate speech...

And if your bookshelf is 'too white'... well, that should be looked into as well, just in case. 

[R011]

5 hours ago, lucklucky said:

I see your tolerance to totalitarianism. You have to burn the old book you wrote because it is now hate speech...

Was there a part of"online" you misunderstood?

I'm not clay it's a well written law but the claims of totalitarianism are way overblown.  Also, as I've noted in another thread, the next government can and likely will change it.

[rmgill]

I keep waiting on the "next government".  But Justin Castro seems to stay around. 

[Ivanhoe]

Acorn probably didn't fall far from the tree.

 

[R011]

1 hour ago, rmgill said:

I keep waiting on the "next government".  But Justin Castro seems to stay around. 

The next election is October 2025.  Liberals are polling badly, like third party bad.  Yeah, things could turn around, but it looks like they've had their turn.

[bojan]

9 hours ago, R011 said:

Was there a part of"online" you misunderstood?

So something written 20 years ago on net* could be used as  proof of "hate crime"? That an total violation of "no retroactive applications of crime laws" if any.

*Let's say, what someone wrote on TN after 9/11...

[urbanoid]

'Hate speech' laws are cringe in the first place. 

[R011]

9 hours ago, bojan said:

So something written 20 years ago on net* could be used as  proof of "hate crime"? That an total violation of "no retroactive applications of crime laws" if any.

*Let's say, what someone wrote on TN after 9/11...

Perhaps, if it's still on line and the person who posted it could remove it.  If the law is passed as it is, and charges get laid, then courts will decide if an old post that's not readily available to the public is actually actionable.  I also very much doubt that they'll spring for a huge and costly Stasi-style bureaucracy to examine the incredible amount of data that's out there - and the left will soon find they're as vulnerable as the right to being targetted for old posts.

[R011]

Criminal Code of Canada definition of hate speech:

https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/cj-jp/victim/rd16-rr16/p1.html

- advocating or promoting genocide against an identifiable group (subsection 318(1));
- inciting hatred against an identifiable group in a public place that is likely to lead to a breach of the peace (subsection 319(1)) “Identifiable group”Footnote8 is a defined term in the Criminal Code (subsection 318(4));
- wilfully promoting hatred against an identifiable group other than in private conversation (subsection 319(2));
- wilfully promoting antisemitism by denying, condoning, or downplaying the Holocaust (subsection 319(2.1)); This is a new hate propaganda offence that has recently (June 23, 2022) been added to the Criminal Code.Footnote9

[sunday]

5 minutes ago, R011 said:

Criminal Code of Canada definition of hate speech:

https://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/rp-pr/cj-jp/victim/rd16-rr16/p1.html

- advocating or promoting genocide against an identifiable group (subsection 318(1));
- inciting hatred against an identifiable group in a public place that is likely to lead to a breach of the peace (subsection 319(1)) “Identifiable group”Footnote8 is a defined term in the Criminal Code (subsection 318(4));
- wilfully promoting hatred against an identifiable group other than in private conversation (subsection 319(2));
- wilfully promoting antisemitism by denying, condoning, or downplaying the Holocaust (subsection 319(2.1)); This is a new hate propaganda offence that has recently (June 23, 2022) been added to the Criminal Code.Footnote9

Has anyone been arrested for the arson of Catholic churches due to that false accusation of murdering native children?

Edited May 13, 2024 by sunday

[lucklucky]

18 hours ago, R011 said:

Was there a part of"online" you misunderstood?

I'm not clay it's a well written law but the claims of totalitarianism are way overblown.  Also, as I've noted in another thread, the next government can and likely will change it.

The dystopian power of a totalitarian culture, same thing written on web or in paper, one can be a crime but the other don't is that what you defending?

Next government or not is irrelevant. A mainstream Canadian party in Government defends extremist ideas.

[lucklucky]

19 minutes ago, R011 said:

Perhaps, if it's still on line and the person who posted it could remove it.  If the law is passed as it is, and charges get laid, then courts will decide if an old post that's not readily available to the public is actually actionable.  I also very much doubt that they'll spring for a huge and costly Stasi-style bureaucracy to examine the incredible amount of data that's out there - and the left will soon find they're as vulnerable as the right to being targetted for old posts.

You seem to be disingenuous, these are typical targeting laws that are designed to be applied to only people that upsets the power that be. This is a law made for lawfare. If you are in your corner they will not go after you, but if you upset the regime they will got to all laws in the books to target you.