Authoritarian and Totalitarian Democracies

[Ivanhoe]

Not with a bang but a whimper.

[Stuart Galbraith]

17 hours ago, Tim Sielbeck said:

Just as you don't grasp how Americans think.

Because certain people in England were acting the a-holes which was an affront to "our guys'," then, English sensibilities.  You seem to forget that it was your former countrymen's treatment of their English  colonists in America that created Americans.

After 25 years here, I have a fairly good handle at it. What I dont recognise is how they started thinking these last 7.

I dont forget it. But my relatives were American colonists as well, they just came there via Germany. Clearly it wasnt just England that was capable of acting intolerantly to their relgious sects, as Im sure you will remember.

 

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

17 hours ago, lucklucky said:

Year 2040.  Dystopian Totalitarian Democratic London

Mr. Stuart born 2009 is 31 years old  asks Mr. Galbraith born 2008, 32 years old. 

Stuart: Hey G. can you buy me a pack of cigarretes?

Galbraith: Too risky S. money is all digital, government tracks every transation and i am only allowed to buy 1 cigarrette per day, they have digital signature to sense my DNA.   Why don't you smoke pot instead? Government even give it you free.

 

 

 

 

I dont smoke.

As I explained before, its the control wing of the Conservative party trying to act all butch, to hide the butt hurt they are on a slippery slide to probable electoral oblivion. They did all kinds of weird things like this back in the mid 1990's. None of them came to pass because we had an election and the Government changed.

I really dont think outsiders quite grasp how much changes when a British Government changes. Presumably because other nations have to make deals, so a middle ground of extremists policies can carry on, because nobody can politically agree somehow to get rid of them. In he UK it doesnt work like that, because of the first past the post system. One right wing Government comes in with a large majority and mismanages stuff, bop, suddenly a left wing Government gets in with a large majority. And then it eventually mismanages things and we get a right wing Government with a large majority. Then they mismanage, and then....

Between the two, can you think of two diametrially opposed political groups that can somehow agree on systemic and complete demolishment of the democratic system? I cannot personally. Yes, Its a poor system we have, but at least it generally stops iliberal reforms (any reforms really!) because another regime eventually gets in and demolishes the worst excesses. Maybe one day it wont work like that, but thus far it generally has. Its the only thing to commend it.

If people cant grasp this about Britain, then you simply wont understand why its resisted all attempts to have enforced on it a fascist utopia, or Communist orthodoxy. Extremes dont last here.

 

Edited October 6, 2023 by Stuart Galbraith

[rmgill]

On 10/4/2023 at 5:54 PM, lucklucky said:

I already put one from Canada, it will not be difficult from other countries since the Liberal Democracy is being murdered being replaced by Totalitarian Democracy 

Its not Totalitarian. 
 

Its Democratic Totalitarianism. 
 

[rmgill]

On 10/6/2023 at 3:46 AM, Stuart Galbraith said:

Clearly it wasnt just England that was capable of acting intolerantly to their relgious sects, as Im sure you will remember.

Hail captain obvious!
 

Why do you think Pennsylvania is full of Mennonites, Anish,  Moravians as well as Quakers? 

[rmgill]

On 10/6/2023 at 3:58 AM, Stuart Galbraith said:

 

If people cant grasp this about Britain, then you simply wont understand why its resisted all attempts to have enforced on it a fascist utopia, or Communist orthodoxy. Extremes dont last here.

 

So you are wiser than Orwell? 

[Tim Sielbeck]

On 10/6/2023 at 2:46 AM, Stuart Galbraith said:

After 25 years here, I have a fairly good handle at it. What I dont recognise is how they started thinking these last 7.

Are you daft?  I've been at it over 60 years and I still don't understand us all the time.  And I live here surrounded by us.

[lucklucky]

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Former CIA Director and retired Gen. Michael Hayden seemed to call for the death of Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-AL) Monday night.

Quoting a Twitter post that asked, "Should Tommy Tuberville be removed from his committee? Yes or No?" Hayden wrote, "How about the human race?"

 

[lucklucky]

 

[lucklucky]

Argentina

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At the behest of Peronist President Alberto Fernandez, prosecutors have charged Milei and his party, La Liberdad Avanza, with "inciting public fear," a crime that faces a penalty of up to six years in prison if convicted. How have these classical economists supposedly wronged the public? Fernandez cited Milei's assertion that the "peso is the currency issued by the Argentine politician, and therefore it is not worth crap," and his party's warning that Argentines should not save in pesos.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/argentina-prosecutes-presidential-front-runner-javier-milei-for-teaching-basic-economics

[lucklucky]

 

[lucklucky]

 

J.K. Rowling willing to go to jail if with Labour in power at next elections in Democratic Totalitarian UK  will be forced by law to say the political left correct pronouns.

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It’s worth noting that in the UK, the act of deliberately misgendering someone is already considered a hate crime if it’s done with hostility towards the individual’s transgender identity.

But the Labour Party wants to go a step further by categorizing such acts as “aggravated offenses.”

This is a legal term often used for crimes fueled by racial or religious hatred, and it carries heavier penalties, including longer jail sentences.

The proposed changes have sparked a controversy, dividing opinions on how best to balance concerns for the rights and dignity of transgender individuals with the freedom of speech.

Critics, including Rowling, argue that these policies would result in “compelled speech,” forcing people to use specific pronouns even if it goes against their personal beliefs.

 

https://thefederalistpapers.org/opinion/jk-rowling-sticks-woke-crowd-says-willing-go-jail-using-wrong-pronouns

Edited October 20, 2023 by lucklucky

[Stuart Galbraith]

It will not go anywhere in my humble opinion, largely because Labour have more than enough problems sorting out the economy.

I remember before the Tories got in in 2010, they commited to restarting Fox hunting. And they didnt, partly because they couldnt find anyone that wanted to touch it with a bargepole, and partly because they were so busy sorting out the economy, they had real issues with finding time for it. And ultimately, they didnt.

Is labour really going to get votes out of this shit? Probably not. So you will find a few loud mouths shouting off about it, and when the immensity of the task emerges, you wont hear another word about it.

 

[Rick]

16 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

It will not go anywhere in my humble opinion, largely because Labour have more than enough problems sorting out the economy.

I remember before the Tories got in in 2010, they commited to restarting Fox hunting. And they didnt, partly because they couldnt find anyone that wanted to touch it with a bargepole, and partly because they were so busy sorting out the economy, they had real issues with finding time for it. And ultimately, they didnt.

Is labour really going to get votes out of this shit? Probably not. So you will find a few loud mouths shouting off about it, and when the immensity of the task emerges, you wont hear another word about it.

 

That's not the problem. The problem is this B.S. lie to begin with and the liers who originate,  propagate, and compel the majority of folks to go along with it in your country and mine.  

[Stuart Galbraith]

There are always bullshit mongers about one thing or another. And new technology makes it incredibly  easy to drop ideas, stupid or otherwise, in the ears of our politicians.

My view is, you cannot make a case for having a free society without having a forum for all ideas. You don't have to accept them, or make them policy however.

[Rick]

22 minutes ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

There are always bullshit mongers about one thing or another. And new technology makes it incredibly  easy to drop ideas, stupid or otherwise, in the ears of our politicians.

My view is, you cannot make a case for having a free society without having a forum for all ideas. You don't have to accept them, or make them policy however.

Agree.

[lucklucky]

Is UK  even Democratic when laws are abused for some an not applied for others?

 

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Ten months ago, a woman called Isabel Vaughan-Spruce was arrested for silently praying outside an abortion clinic.

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This video, which I found via Dr Eli David, shows a crowd of Muslims marching down a street in London. Someone shouts (into a microphone judging from the sound) the following words, “We’ll find some Jews here! We want the Zionists! We want their blood!” Meanwhile a policeman walks beside them, saying nothing.

https://www.samizdata.net/2023/10/arrestable-and-non-arrestable-offences-during-religious-protests/

Edited October 25, 2023 by lucklucky

[TrustMe]

1 hour ago, lucklucky said:

Is UK  even Democratic when laws are abused for some an not applied for others?

 

https://www.samizdata.net/2023/10/arrestable-and-non-arrestable-offences-during-religious-protests/

Nowadays, the Police in the UK are very smart, smart but also very lazy. In the above case of the demonstration the MO is the Police will use CCTV to capture the guy being abusive to Jews . Then after they have find his home they will arrest him at their at there leisure.

Gone are the days of the police actually policing things, they go for the "lets just arrest them at home as it's safer for the police" route.

 

This is an exampke of police in the UK https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67148168

Edited October 25, 2023 by TrustMe

[lucklucky]

If they was true then a couple thousand Hamas supporters would have been jailed.

[Stuart Galbraith]

The Jails are full of people already.

I will say this, we do, generally speaking, have some confidence in MI5 and GCHQ. Ive no doubt the technology exists to take a picture of someone and ID them from a database, then request trawl their telephone data. In a court trial I saw the ability to trawl mobile phone data, and it was extraordinary, like something out of Person of Interest.

I dont like them out on the streets either. OTOH, I can see a value leaving them in circulation and marking all their fellow extremists which can have a close watch kept on them. You put them in prison, they probably end up more radicalized anyway.

[sunday]

8 hours ago, lucklucky said:

If they was true then a couple thousand Hamas supporters would have been jailed.

It is safer to arrest Catholic little old ladies. Also, you will not be called an Islamophobe for that.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Well little old Catholic old ladies call for things that damage the state, like returning Gibraltar or wacky stuff like that. You cant trust 'em.

 

[sunday]

Canada enters the club

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Two Calgary men charged for conversation on transit en route to 1 Million March 4 Children

Two men are charged under a Calgary Transit Bylaw for allegedly making an unknown passenger uncomfortable with their conversation. 

The men allegedly “interfered with the comfort of an unknown transit user” while on their way to Calgary’s 1 Million March 4 Children protest on Saturday. 

They are scheduled to appear in court late November, represented by The Democracy Fund (TDF), a Canadian civil liberties nonprofit. 

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According to the city’s bylaw, passengers must not “interfere with the comfort, convenience, or quiet use and enjoyment of the transit system of any reasonable person.”

The two individuals report “having had a private conversation on the C-train with a like-minded passenger” while traveling to the march in a nearly empty train car. 

However, it appears the conversation was overheard and reported. The men were detained when they got off the train. 

One was handcuffed while police confirmed his identity and they were both issued a ticket and summons to court. 

TDF wrote to the City of Calgary for “disclosure about the alleged offences,” but has not yet received a reply. 

 

[lucklucky]

In Germany conservatives that conserve nothing

CSU District Leader Warns of Property Confiscation in Migrant Housing Crisis in Germany

Starnberg, Germany, is currently at the center of negotiations between property owners and CSU District Leader concerning housing for asylum seekers. The District Leader has issued a stern warning: if property owners do not cooperate, the county may resort to property confiscation, as reported by Junge Freiheit.

(...)

Notably, the CDU General Secretary of North Rhine-Westphalia, Paul Ziemiak, recently revealed that in his Iserlohn constituency, private residences are already being confiscated for migrant accommodation...

https://www.voiceofeurope.com/csu-district-leader-warns-of-property-confiscation-in-migrant-housing-crisis-in-germany/

 

 

[lucklucky]