Authoritarian and Totalitarian Democracies

[rmgill]

I do love that you're reverting to type to essentially say nothing can be done. You should say the same thing about Russia. 
 

Which of the British Forum members have already converted? 

Edited October 4 by rmgill

[Murph]

It will not be long.  The Caliphate of the UK.  Followed by the French Caliphate, etc.  Europe is a lost cause at this point.

[seahawk]

And still people from Europe can easily enter the USA, can migrate to the USA and the US tax payer is paying for European defence. #sad

[Stuart Galbraith]

22 hours ago, rmgill said:

I do love that you're reverting to type to essentially say nothing can be done. You should say the same thing about Russia. 
 

Which of the British Forum members have already converted? 

The difference of course is that one is talking about the movement of millions, if not over time, billions of people. Something thats been ongoing for thousands of years and not been stopped except byy the black death. By contrast Russia is a problem generated by one man, and could be solved in minutes if someone had a big pair of jangly balls.

It is if course entirely like you to conflate two utterly dissimilar events and pretend they are the same thing.

19 hours ago, Murph said:

It will not be long.  The Caliphate of the UK.  Followed by the French Caliphate, etc.  Europe is a lost cause at this point.

Oh dear, someone got a Fox News Enema this morning.

[Murph]

I don't have cable TV so I never get to see Fox News.  But, Stuart, I can read, and see what is happening in the UK, apparently your are so wedded to Starmer and the libs that you are willing to let your own country die.  

[rmgill]

1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

The difference of course is that one is talking about the movement of millions, if not over time, billions of people. Something thats been ongoing for thousands of years and not been stopped except byy the black death.

Japan doesn't have the same level. 

1 hour ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

By contrast Russia is a problem generated by one man, and could be solved in minutes if someone had a big pair of jangly balls.

It is if course entirely like you to conflate two utterly dissimilar events and pretend they are the same thing.

So Russia just needs to move more litlte green men into Ukraine and then have an election to vote for Russian Federashioship? 

Or we could just say that Invasions have  been happening for millions of years, they're just movements of people. How are you going to stop that? 

After all if you can't stop unarmed mass immigration into the UK, why do you think you can stop an armed invasion? 

[lucklucky]

 

[lucklucky]

Zohran Mamdani

"We will prove that there is no problem to large for government to solve and no concern too small for it to care about."

Where i have read this before?

Benito Mussolini.
"Tutto nello Stato, niente al di fuori dello Stato, nulla contro lo Stato"

Edited November 7 by lucklucky

[Stargrunt6]

 

 

[lucklucky]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/11/07/wiltshire-pub-reform-video-order-st-georges-cross/

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A Lib Dem council demanded a pub remove the St George’s Cross painted on its white exterior an hour after it was featured in a Reform UK promotional vide

 

[Stargrunt6]

 

 

[Ivanhoe]

Your digital currency has been frozen until your social credit score improves, citizen.

 

[lucklucky]

Lowest Majesty Police continues show its tyrannical bent attacking Democracy . Whole thing from Samizdata.net

Note that the taxpayers pay cost of this attack not the police. And no police will be disciplined so the objective of the police of legal terrorizing British people was fulfilled.

Bold red mine.

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Now investigate Hertfordshire Police for their attempt to subvert democracy

“Parents ‘vindicated’ after police admit unlawful arrest over WhatsApp row”, the Guardian reports. The subheading is “Hertfordshire police agree to pay £20,000 to Rosalind Levine and Maxie Allen, who were held for 11 hours after complaining about daughter’s school”.

I posted about this couple’s experience last April: Boiling frogs in Salem and Hertfordshire.

https://www.samizdata.net/2025/04/boiling-frogs-in-salem-and-hertfordshire/

One aspect of the story that the Free Speech Union’s Frederick Attenborough highlighted at the time was that Hertfordshire Police didn’t just put the frighteners on Rosalind Levine and Maxie Allen, they also threatened – in writing – their local county councillor, Michelle Vince, that if she continued to advocate on their behalf she too might find herself “liable to being recorded as a suspect in a harassment investigation”. And they told Michelle Vince to pass on that warning to the local MP, Sir Oliver Dowden.

As Sir Oliver said in the Times, “Police risk ‘curtailing democracy’ by stopping MPs doing their job”.

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/police-yvette-cooper-school-whatsapp-group-arrest-b87g2mh6j

Today’s Guardian article continues,

Allen claimed he and Levine were not abusive and were never told which communications were criminal, saying it was “completely Kafkaesque”.

A Hertfordshire police spokesperson said: “Whilst there are no issues of misconduct involving any officer in relation to this matter, Hertfordshire Constabulary has accepted liability solely on the basis that the legal test around necessity of arrest was not met in this instance.

“Therefore Mr Haddow-Allen and Ms Levine were wrongfully arrested and detained in January 2025. It would be inappropriate to make further comment at this stage.”

You wish. Further comment is both appropriate and necessary. There bloody well are issues of misconduct involving at least one officer in relation to this matter: whichever officer tried to frighten off both a local councillor and an MP from representing their constituents.

 

https://www.samizdata.net/2025/11/now-investigate-hertfordshire-police-for-their-attempt-to-subvert-democracy/

[lucklucky]

Saying God Bless You  is an arrestable offense in UK if causes distress says a police women.

Christian preacher arrested 16 times by the Low Majesty Police, never convicted.

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Despite his remarkable tally of arrests, none of the charges or cases brought against him have stuck, and a jury unanimously threw out the latest case of racial and religious harassment against him in just 90 minutes (which included their lunchtime break).

Those proceedings followed an allegation that he was guilty of harassing Muslims by saying the words: 'Pray for the Jews and pray for the Palestinians' in relation to the Gaza conflict.

On a separate occasion, he was arrested after it was alleged that his 'God bless you' comment had offended Muslims at a pro-Palestinian march.

In a remarkable clip which he recorded and posted on TikTok, he can be heard speaking to a female police officer who confirms repeatedly that saying 'God Bless You' is indeed a crime 'If it causes distress', and observes that 'if that person was a Muslim' they might be distressed.

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15312711/Thought-police-arrest-Christian-preacher-saying-God-bless-you-Muslim-Palestine-protesters.html

[Stuart Galbraith]

On 11/22/2025 at 4:07 PM, lucklucky said:

Lowest Majesty Police continues show its tyrannical bent attacking Democracy . Whole thing from Samizdata.net

Note that the taxpayers pay cost of this attack not the police. And no police will be disciplined so the objective of the police of legal terrorizing British people was fulfilled.

Bold red mine.

https://www.samizdata.net/2025/11/now-investigate-hertfordshire-police-for-their-attempt-to-subvert-democracy/

Utterly unjustified, I quite agree with you.

[Stuart Galbraith]

11 hours ago, lucklucky said:

Saying God Bless You  is an arrestable offense in UK if causes distress says a police women.

Christian preacher arrested 16 times by the Low Majesty Police, never convicted.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15312711/Thought-police-arrest-Christian-preacher-saying-God-bless-you-Muslim-Palestine-protesters.html

I think the key point is this,

'Despite his remarkable tally of arrests, none of the charges or cases brought against him have stuck, and a jury unanimously threw out the latest case of racial and religious harassment against him in just 90 minutes (which included their lunchtime break).'

Although yes, I dont overlook the 20 grand in lawyers fees he racked up. Although if the Conservatives hadnt buggered up the legal aid budget, even that wouldnt have been a problem.

[R011]

He should be able to sue police and prosecution, both organizations and individual cops and prosecutors, for malicious prosecution and false arrest.

[Stuart Galbraith]

Yep. Because clearly its the police misfiring here, not the judiciary, not even the Government. Its just another example of the police making their own policies wholly absent from wider society is telling them to do. 

If anything, this shows how the police and crime commissioners have been a complete waste of time and money. Its clearly not the failure of the people concerned, not when you read the record of the guy who is the present incumbent.

'The Wiltshire Police Commissioner is Philip Wilkinson. He is responsible for overseeing Wiltshire Police, holding the Chief Constable to account, and working to make communities safer. He was elected in August 2021 and previously had a 32-year career in the army.

Background:

Served for 32 years in the army, including in roles within the Royal Artillery, Commandos, Special Forces, and the Royal Ulster Constabulary. 

Experience:

Has international experience in areas like Rwanda, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Palestine, including working on counter-terrorist program'

 

In short, the police are going off the reservation doing stupid things like this, despite the management system that in theory controls them clearly intelligent enough to keep them on track.

[lucklucky]

Another one.

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Police ‘can’t decide’ if anti-abortion campaigner should be charged for praying

Police and prosecutors are “frozen with indecision” over whether to charge a woman for silently praying near an abortion clinic.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/11/30/police-no-decide-anti-abortion-campaigner-charged/

[Stuart Galbraith]

Campaigner, or grifter? This is from the year previously.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gze361j7xo

A woman arrested after praying outside an abortion clinic has received a payout from police.

Isabel Vaughan-Spruce from Worcestershire was accused of breaching a Public Spaces Protection Order (PSPO) outside the clinic in Kings Norton, Birmingham, but the charges were dropped last year.

She said her aim was to be "a peaceful and prayerful presence for women in crisis pregnancies".

She received £13,000 from West Midlands Police, which said it settled her civil claim "without any admission of liability", adding the city council brought in the PSPO to deter protesters.

 

For that kind of payout, I might be tempted to give it a go myself.

 

Edited December 1 by Stuart Galbraith

[rmgill]

So any government fines paid is them being grifters.
Fines for parking tickets. Grifter.
Fines for no tv licenses. Grifter. 
Fines for having no business license for your local table to market pub? Grifters. 

Edited December 1 by rmgill

[Stuart Galbraith]

No, she RECEIVED £13000 for wrongful arrest. She didnt pay that.

[R011]

Thirteen thousand pounds is hardly a deterrent to further police misconduct.

[rmgill]

7 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

No, she RECEIVED £13000 for wrongful arrest. She didnt pay that.

My point is that groups receiving money as punishment for others, are they grifters? Your local township, does it issue fines? If yes then they are grifters. 

[lucklucky]

An IT consultant was arrested by police in Britain after he posted a picture online of himself posing with a gun in the US.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/11/28/it-consultant-arrested-after-posing-with-gun-on-linkedin/