Authoritarian and Totalitarian Democracies

[lucklucky]

2 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Sure, go and throw a few Socialists in. Stalin? Molotov? Mikoyan? Beria? Castro, jesus christ, can you imagine what Castro would do if he had a facebook account? He couldnt use twitter, he would fly right past the character limit. Ultimately though, I struggle to think of a Socialist today that has the bandwidth or mindset to be more than nauseating. Who you have in mind, Jeremy Corbin? Maduro? Can you think of them successfully invoking violence in a Western capital? I cant.

Im unfair and dishonest because Im happy to see a mysogynist, sexual predator, misinformation peddler deplatformed. Yeah, see, its always the same with you guys on here. You go and elevate worthless causes as if they were spectacular martyrs to some kind of principle. Brand doesnt have principles, I think we already established that.

 

 

So how many Marxist University courses you will close down in UK Universities Dear Truth Minister? 100, 1000?

 Will you send the Army to enforce it?

Communist Manifesto an example and symbol of class hatred will be censored and prosecution will be followed to anyone that publishes and talks about it?  

Edited September 30, 2023 by lucklucky

[R011]

6 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Lord Haw Haw. Would you allow him a platform today? What about Julius Streicher? Goebbels, Tojo? What about Osama Bin Laden, would you platform him too, say his hatred of the west is entirely justified, and we should listen to his views? What about Paedophiles, should we listen to their case?

 

Yes to all so long as they aren't explicitly inciting violence, breaking the law, or convicted of serious crimes.  Oh, and as long as we aren't in the middle of an existential war with them - it isn't 1943 anymore.

[rmgill]

7 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

TBH, Id prefer people would self censor. I rarely ever post 'I would like this person to be dead' or 'This person should get cancer' or even 'This entire class of people deserve machine gunning'. Not by and large does anyone else on this site do that either. But I do think we come very, very close to that precipice, far more than we ever used to, back in the days when people were still using Blackberries.

Did you pay an ounce of attention during covid when it came to the wishes for people to be arrested for not wearingmasks? Or for not getting the jab? OR for going out of their homes? Did you not pay attention to the media during this? 

You have your Lord Haw Haw's now. They're in the BEEB and the rest of the MSM already. 
 

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

54 minutes ago, lucklucky said:

 

So how many Marxist University courses you will close down in UK Universities Dear Truth Minister? 100, 1000?

 Will you send the Army to enforce it?

Communist Manifesto an example and symbol of class hatred will be censored and prosecution will be followed to anyone that publishes and talks about it?  

The kind of people that can afford to go to UK universities these days are seldom interested in Marxism, so I'm not sure why you believe this is a problem. The Cambridge 5 was 90 years ago, most people now assume it was a boy band.

Show me where I've endorsed a communist manifesto. Once again you are erecting a dispute where there simply isn't one.

Right back at you. Someone sets up a 21st century Nazi party that advocates death to Jews, lynching of Black's, deportation of all people of Mexican Blood. Do you accept it as an authentic representation  of honest views, or recognise its going to bring violence into politics, radicalize debate, result in innocent deaths and civil disturbances. If you see its going to cause that, why allow it to exist at all? I doubt the US would tolerate an Al Qaeda party sitting in the Senate.

If you say 'yes', then you have to remember in 1945 we banned the Nazi party in Germany for all those reasons, and banned the Baath party in Iraq for similar reasons. In short, America would appear determined to rule other people's according to my principles, but not your own country.

 

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

5 minutes ago, rmgill said:

Did you pay an ounce of attention during covid when it came to the wishes for people to be arrested for not wearingmasks? Or for not getting the jab? OR for going out of their homes? Did you not pay attention to the media during this? 

You have your Lord Haw Haw's now. They're in the BEEB and the rest of the MSM already. 
 

 

Why ask me? I respected the rules. So did the Queen. I wasn't the one holding boozy parties like it didn't apply to me.

No, it's Fox news, I could tell by the wailing of damned souls in the background of their reports.

[rmgill]

And the BBC and all the other liberal media who were fine parroting the lockdown mantras and wishing the non-compliant to be dead or sick. 

The difference here Stuart, is that I don't trust anyone to try to enforce speech rules because I know the power isn't something you can trust to anyone. 

[lucklucky]

4 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

how me where I've endorsed a communist manifesto. Once again you are erecting a dispute where there simply isn't one.

Simples, you did not included it your things to censor. Since you want cancellation for Brand, close TV stations but strangely not the ideology of a  recent candidate from Labour to Prime Minister that is responsible for hatred  that caused millions of deaths.

[Stuart Galbraith]

9 hours ago, rmgill said:

And the BBC and all the other liberal media who were fine parroting the lockdown mantras and wishing the non-compliant to be dead or sick. 

The difference here Stuart, is that I don't trust anyone to try to enforce speech rules because I know the power isn't something you can trust to anyone. 

No Ryan, the difference between you and me is that you dont trust ANYONE. Unless you accept that society works by everyone else leaning on everyone else, then you dont have society is all. Imagine if you ran a military unit like that, how well do you think it would work?

7 hours ago, lucklucky said:

Simples, you did not included it your things to censor. Since you want cancellation for Brand, close TV stations but strangely not the ideology of a  recent candidate from Labour to Prime Minister that is responsible for hatred  that caused millions of deaths.

Well there is quite a lot I could put on my list of things to censor. Pederasty, dont like that. Necrophillia, dont like that. What is that where women have sex with horses? Dont know, but I certainly dont like that. Mass murder, not much of a fan of that. Funnily enough, I dont feel I have to highlight every single thing I dont like. By your act of omission I could classify you as guilty of everything from being a Greta Thunberg groupie to a group gimp at the weekends.

Feel comfortable with that insane logic? I guess not.

[rmgill]

7 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

No Ryan, the difference between you and me is that you dont trust ANYONE. Unless you accept that society works by everyone else leaning on everyone else, then you dont have society is all. Imagine if you ran a military unit like that, how well do you think it would work?

What reason can you give to trust censors to be fair? Our founding fathers didn’t. What has changed? 

7 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Well there is quite a lot I could put on my list of things to censor. Pederasty, dont like that. Necrophillia, dont like that. What is that where women have sex with horses?
 

we are talking about political censorship and you bloody well know it. You don’t get to justify political censorship of a dude with a pug or a mean facebook post by pointing to child pornography. 
 

Thats dishonest and you bloody well know it. 

7 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Dont know, but I certainly dont like that. Mass murder, not much of a fan of that.
 

Lots of mass murder is portrayed on tv. Is that censored? 

7 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Funnily enough, I dont feel I have to highlight every single thing I dont like. By your act of omission I could classify you as guilty of everything from being a Greta Thunberg groupie to a group gimp at the weekends.

 

7 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Feel comfortable with that insane logic? I guess not.

I could simply report you as being trans phobic to the British police and they’d probably arrest you…

[lucklucky]

You still not stated if you would punish people that cite the Communist Manifesto and other acts of class hatred.

Meanwhile Totalitarian Democracy continues to grow.

 

[R011]

It's been Canadian government policy since the seventies to require that broadcasters must include a percentage of Canadian content because otherwise we'd be drowned out by the US.  The new regulations are intended to extend cultural protection to online services mainly be charging companies like X a fee. Musk's objection therefore to support Canadian content makers.  Musk's objection is more likely roted in money and hurt feelings than any concern over free speech.

[Stuart Galbraith]

4 hours ago, lucklucky said:

You still not stated if you would punish people that cite the Communist Manifesto and other acts of class hatred.

Meanwhile Totalitarian Democracy continues to grow.

 

Ok then rear gunner Joe, then hold me in contempt of the Senate. 🙃

Ive actually been very clear, multiple times, im on the side of freedom. Explain to me how the Communist manifesto, if you can still find one these says, is on the side of freedom?

I dont get you Americans fetishization of Communism. Do you wake up in a cold sweat worrying about being eaten by a TRex, or being killed by Romans soldiers, or blood eagled by Vikings? Communism is dead. Even the Chicoms arent really commies anymore. They have too many Jacuzzi's and Mercedes to make that label plausibly stick.

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

2 hours ago, R011 said:

It's been Canadian government policy since the seventies to require that broadcasters must include a percentage of Canadian content because otherwise we'd be drowned out by the US.  The new regulations are intended to extend cultural protection to online services mainly be charging companies like X a fee. Musk's objection therefore to support Canadian content makers.  Musk's objection is more likely roted in money and hurt feelings than any concern over free speech.

Same as always.

[Harold Jones]

10 hours ago, R011 said:

It's been Canadian government policy since the seventies to require that broadcasters must include a percentage of Canadian content because otherwise we'd be drowned out by the US...

Without which Bob and Doug Mckenzie would never have introduced Middle American teenagers to the Great White North.

 

[Tim Sielbeck]

10 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Ok then rear gunner Joe, then hold me in contempt of the Senate. 🙃

Ive actually been very clear, multiple times, im on the side of freedom.

Except when you been very clear your not.

[lucklucky]

11 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Ok then rear gunner Joe, then hold me in contempt of the Senate. 🙃

Ive actually been very clear, multiple times, im on the side of freedom. Explain to me how the Communist manifesto, if you can still find one these says, is on the side of freedom?

I dont get you Americans fetishization of Communism. Do you wake up in a cold sweat worrying about being eaten by a TRex, or being killed by Romans soldiers, or blood eagled by Vikings? Communism is dead. Even the Chicoms arent really commies anymore. They have too many Jacuzzi's and Mercedes to make that label plausibly stick.

 

No you are not.

Oh for you 1984 newspeak is a manual not a warning. So you choose to misrepresent what you and i wrote before.

Americans?!   are you going insane? Since when i am an American?

 

Edited October 2, 2023 by lucklucky

[rmgill]

19 hours ago, R011 said:

It's been Canadian government policy since the seventies to require that broadcasters must include a percentage of Canadian content because otherwise we'd be drowned out by the US.  The new regulations are intended to extend cultural protection to online services mainly be charging companies like X a fee. Musk's objection therefore to support Canadian content makers.  Musk's objection is more likely roted in money and hurt feelings than any concern over free speech.

So include SCTV announcements at the top and bottom of the hour? 
 

https://giphy.com/gifs/cbc-sctv-bob-and-doug-mckenzie-3oEjHQOeg3YhQ8REZ2

[rmgill]

17 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

I dont get you Americans fetishization of Communism.

Who had unions ready to strike if the British Went to war against The USSR’s ally Germany? You did. 
 

fetishizing? I guess you want Egypt back? 

17 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Do you wake up in a cold sweat worrying about being eaten by a TRex, or being killed by Romans soldiers, or blood eagled by Vikings? Communism is dead.
 

Socialism is alive and well in the left today. This green stuff and DEI bullcrap is dripping with it. 

[rmgill]

9 hours ago, Harold Jones said:

Without which Bob and Doug Mckenzie would never have introduced Middle American teenagers to the Great White North.

 

Kids in the Hall was great too. Now we have Letterkenny. 
 

 

[Stuart Galbraith]

13 hours ago, Tim Sielbeck said:

Except when you been very clear your not.

Them im afraid just like Ryan, you are listening to your own tune, and not actually trying to understand what im saying. Look at heart is a simple inability for Americans to grasp a simple theory.

For Americans, everyone must be free, all the time, forever, to do absolutely everything they want, without any responsiblity or reference to their fellow man. Except even you have witholds. If you, for example, decided to say 'I want to shoot the President', you would get the Secret Service investigating you, maybe even hauling you in if they thought you were serious enough. You could say ' Im going to climb over the fence at xyz nuclear facility'. And then you would get the FBI investigating you. You could say 'I believe black men are inferior' or even 'all mexicans are racists and drug dealers'. Yes, you could get away with that. But ultimately, why would you want to? How does a freedom to do something like that actually enhance your existence and make a stable society?

For us, freedom is something that comes with responsibility. You can say whatever you like, right up to the point when you collide with the basic truth, you are not allowed to encourage hatred towards others. You are not allowed to threaten others. And whilst I would admit its gone rather further than I would like (well its Tories, they always tighten the screws), there is nothing a more enlightened home secretary wouldnt swiftly change. For our Home secretary carries the burden of a lot of the responsibility for things in your country would be decided by the Federal Court.

The British perspective is different, because we are different. We dont have a constitution. We have powers negotiated with the crown and its representivies over hundreds of years. We have negotiated it down from absolute authority to sometime authority. You Americans look at our political system in horror and regard it as a mess. Well it is. I make no claims for its excellence on any level, an area once again where we are completely different from Americans. But the idea there is no freedom in it is incorrect. It was not so long ago there were dozens of people protesting outside No10 over Brexit. They were there for months, till they made a hell of a mess and got told to sling their hook. The last time anyone protested at Capitol Hill, you can well remember how it turned out, and you ended up putting up a fence around the peoples house.

So yes, I do believe in freedom, of the British kind. And if that is completely incomprehensible to an American, im sorry about that, but you guys wanted to be independent and you will just have to deal with it the best you can.

 

Edited October 3, 2023 by Stuart Galbraith

[Stuart Galbraith]

12 hours ago, lucklucky said:

No you are not.

Oh for you 1984 newspeak is a manual not a warning. So you choose to misrepresent what you and i wrote before.

Americans?!   are you going insane? Since when i am an American?

 

Once again, you clearly dont know me. You slap the old tar brush on me, labelling me as a Communist. The Russians slap their tar brush on me regarding me as a fascist. Do you know who else had that happened to? George Orwell.

Well regardless, you happily seem to imbibe their values. And I have no problem with that, its their country and a fine one. The issue I have is the idea of American exceptionalism, that everything works flawlessly, and everywhere else is inherently inferior. There is a lot wrong with my country, but at least it knows how to pass a budget every year.

[Stuart Galbraith]

6 hours ago, rmgill said:

Who had unions ready to strike if the British Went to war against The USSR’s ally Germany? You did. 
 

fetishizing? I guess you want Egypt back? 

Socialism is alive and well in the left today. This green stuff and DEI bullcrap is dripping with it. 

Hold on a second here, I seem to recall YOUR unions had the freedom to strike against Henry Ford during the war, and Roosevelt rang him up and told him that if he didnt settle with them, he would take his company away from him. Is that your idea of freedom? Can you imagine Churchil doing that to Rover? I cant.

No thanks, Ive never had a thing about pyramids. Egyptian cotton shirts are ok I guess.

There you go again. Conflating Socialism with Communism. The Bolsheviks loved to do that to try and normalize their political aberation. Do you know that Socialism actually predates Marxism? That ALL the Socialists that Marx associated with in the early days broke ties with him because they thought he was a bit of a twat? That British Socialsts in the Labour party broke ties with Soviet Russia, because they saw, long before all the other Europeans did, what a threat it was?

No of course you dont know that, despite telling you all these things many times before. Socialism survives, Communism, specifically Marxism Leninism, does not, even in Cuba. Even Maoism is dead.

And still you guys, just like 6 year olds, keep looking under the bed as if its going to come out one night and eat you whole. Why? Why this cultural hangup? Where is the fear about Indian attacks and Al Qaeda? The fear of the Confederates sweeping north to take Washington? And still you hang up about this one period of your history thats now over, and you refuse to let it go.

 

Edited October 3, 2023 by Stuart Galbraith

[Murph]

ATF is full of crap again.   WTF is a belt fed rifle?  I have never heard of a belt fed rifle.  Strawman for ATF Fast and Furious part 2?  

 

[rmgill]

A semiauto rifle with a belt feed. ie a semi FN Minimi/M249S. 
 

https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-gear-gun-supplies/modern-sporting-rifles/fn-m249s-semi-auto-rifle/p/1477799

Edited October 3, 2023 by rmgill

[bojan]

Firearms equivalent of decaf coffee or non-alcoholic cocktail. 

Not even close to a real thing, worst thing is that some people with zero military experience will probably declare that "it is totally inferior to M4 with 4x on top in every role".

Edited October 3, 2023 by bojan