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12 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

Unfortunately over here (can't speak for what it's like in the UK, but almost everything I come across points to the US/Canada/UK being similar in nearly everything) college is still clearly the path to take if you want to make the most money in life, even with the added debt burdens in recent decades.

There are two issues with that.  First, most young people know this so enter college... but not all of them finish.  The major university here in town, ASU, has less than half of its students graduating in six years once they start school.  Those that don't are still stuck with the debt burden of attending for however long they did but coupled to employment that is likely far less than if they had finished their degrees.

Second, despite what folks here on TN often say, the majority of degrees awarded every year in the US are the right ones that you would think would lead to work.  Except... even in fields like STEM a third of graduates never find work relevant to their degree.  Yes, some of those folks probably still make good money in other fields but the indication seems clear that even if you get the right degree you're not guaranteed to make it.  The conclusion, surprisingly, is that we're awarding far more degrees than the job market can handle.  Rather depressing considering the alternative is less pay over one's lifetime compared to those, on average, who did get their degree.

I have not read this book due to not having an interest in it, but it may be a useful read for you https://www.amazon.com/College-Scam-Universities-Bankrupting-Brainwashing/dp/1735503738

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Badenoch hits back at Labour critic: ‘If a white person had those views they’d probably be in prison’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/11/15/kemi-badenoch-interview-free-speech/

 

UK increasingly anti freedom state

Hamas are Islamists – the police investigated me for saying just that

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/15/hamas-are-islamists-police-investigated-ian-austin/

 

Compare and contrast:

‘Incompetent’ Essex Police set up terror-style incident group for single Allison Pearson tweet

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/15/essex-police-gold-group-hate-crime-allison-pearson/

Police refused to investigate academic who said Starmer works for ‘genocidal Jewish supremacists’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/15/essex-police-allison-pearson-antisemitism-israel/

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over the last few years you could tune into cspan and watch often empty chambers and proceedings among other things, hearings into the democratic administrations to censor speech and pressure social media companies to selectively suppress what was construed by government law enforcement, such as ABC agencies - DOJ, FBI. you see the way that most of congress is absent on many of these kinds of things

 

there was an attempt by the biden administration to install a kind of ministry of truth, or a department of misinformation. it was withdrawn only because there were congressional hearings into what was going on. often the media portrayed these hearings as republican attempts to spread misinformation itself in the process. a lot of the people i talked with about it were not aware of it other than a sort of quick narrative spun by the media about the biden administration attempting to stop misinformation but being blocked by republicans

 

not too long ago the idea was to have the ability to disagree and have open discourse and the freedom to disagree. this is no longer the regime now

 

i have watched the switch where debate is bad or is considered oppressive or patriarchal and that is the end of that

 

https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/24/politics/dhs-disinformation-board-shut-down/index.html

 

for the record i do believe any party should have the power to determine what is true or not with the color of the authority of the law to do it. neither the democrats, and neither the republicans, right or left - that is quite onerous either way. and it is quite tone def in the way that anyone attempting to do that does not realize what it looks like- someone would literally look like a character out of dystopian novel but don't see what they look like doing it

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It is sad when the UK, Ireland, Canada, and Australia appear in the same kind of list of warnings to tourists where only countries like Indonesia or Saudi Arabia would have appear in a very recent past.

https://gab.com/thebstravelers/posts/113497604262961129

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Traveling soon? Heads up, folks! 🧳🌍

Not every place may be as laid-back about what you say or post from your couch in your living room. What seems like a casual comment or joke could get you into serious trouble if you're not careful. 😬 Here’s what you really need to know:

👉 Indonesia 🇮🇩: The laws around speech can be pretty strict. Recently, one traveler was arrested for a comment on social media about Jesus needing a haircut. Yep, FIVE YEARS in prison for what some people thought was just a cheeky little remark. 🙄
👉 The UK 🇬🇧 & Ireland 🇮🇪: With laws that control what you can say or post, even an innocent remark might get you in trouble. Like, you could find yourself in front of Scotland Yard just for stating something that most people might agree with. 😬
👉 Saudi Arabia 🇸🇦: Got thoughts on the government, religion, or how people live? You might want to keep those to yourself. Criticizing anything could land you in some serious hot water. 🔥💧
👉 Australia & Scotland 🇦🇺🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿: Watch your words. Seriously. You could end up in court for a remark or a social media post that rubs the wrong person the wrong way. 🚔⛓️🧑‍⚖️
👉 Canada 🇨🇦: They're working on laws that could monitor what you say about, you guessed it, the cross-border movement of people. So maybe skip sharing your critical opinions on social media. 🚨🏃‍♂️

⚖ Bottom line: Not every country is down with you speaking your mind. Whether you’re soaking up the sun in Bali or snapping pics in Riyadh, just remember to keep it cool—and save your spicy takes for when you're back in a place where you can say what you really think without getting thrown in the clink. 😎

Travel smart, stay free, and stay out of jail. 🌴✌️

 

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and you see how it gets there. it starts happening slowly but surely and then find what is all around you

 

speech is not per se a violent act to be actionable. you might say something which is not accepted, popular, PC whatever you would call it

 

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On 11/16/2024 at 4:25 AM, lucklucky said:

Badenoch hits back at Labour critic: ‘If a white person had those views they’d probably be in prison’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/11/15/kemi-badenoch-interview-free-speech/

 

UK increasingly anti freedom state

Hamas are Islamists – the police investigated me for saying just that

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/15/hamas-are-islamists-police-investigated-ian-austin/

 

Compare and contrast:

‘Incompetent’ Essex Police set up terror-style incident group for single Allison Pearson tweet

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/15/essex-police-gold-group-hate-crime-allison-pearson/

Police refused to investigate academic who said Starmer works for ‘genocidal Jewish supremacists’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/11/15/essex-police-allison-pearson-antisemitism-israel/

You know, you really want to stop imbibing the Telegraph as if it was the only source in the UK.Its likely the newspaper of Lawrence Fox, and conspiracy theorists with drawing pins and lots of string. Its read by the people that think the Times is too left wing, if you can imagine such a thing.

There is a lot the British police do right, and a lot they do wrong. But when they do wrong its usually careerism and incompetence, or both. The idea they are enfranchising Islamism because they are somehow sympathetic, which would appear to be what the telegraph is suggesting, is ridiculous.

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5 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

The idea they are enfranchising Islamism because they are somehow sympathetic, which would appear to be what the telegraph is suggesting, is ridiculous.

This is hate speech. You should be reported to your local islamic council for  correction. 

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6 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

You know, you really want to stop imbibing the Telegraph as if it was the only source in the UK.Its likely the newspaper of Lawrence Fox, and conspiracy theorists with drawing pins and lots of string. Its read by the people that think the Times is too left wing, if you can imagine such a thing.

There is a lot the British police do right, and a lot they do wrong. But when they do wrong its usually careerism and incompetence, or both. The idea they are enfranchising Islamism because they are somehow sympathetic, which would appear to be what the telegraph is suggesting, is ridiculous.

Maybe you should notice who the police visits for tweets and what is being said and done publicly in Islamic "protests".

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Whom they visit for tweets in the middle of a public insurrection. Sorry, if you are expecting me to have sympathy for a bunch of meatheads and hessians trying to invoke race riots like latterday Streichers, then I have zero sympathy. I dont go advocating violence againt the forces of rule and order, and I have zero tolerance to anyone that does.

Now the Gazans, again, i have zero sympathy for them. you are entirely right to say there is preferential treatment. Now whether that is because local Chief Constables are antisemites, I doubt it. I also doubt they give a flying frig about gaza, anymore than I do. I do however think they have their eyes on the next stripe up. Its called careerism, and nobody wants to be the man who sparks a riot because its hardly likely to look good on the cv.

Now people can go spamming Torygraph articles all they like, but it doesnt make the Government or the police pro islamic. it just means they want a nice easy life. A shit attitude, but radically different from the reasons that paper claims.

 

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If they allow the local Mufti's to control things because they're lazy about equal enforcement of law then they're still failing in their Peelian duties and are effectively sympathetic. Especually when they evidently DO control the speech of the Native Brits. 



 

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And I entirely agree about them failing their duties. The only point I disagree with is the reason why, and channelling the alt right hate from the Telegraph is not going to clarify the situation. You guys long to see a 'leftist police department failing' story. Except the same thing happens time and again, wherever the constabulary is. Its not a left right problem, its a police competence issue. IMHO at any rate.

I said once again, if you challenge the state by rioting, the state comes back swinging. Did it in 1816, did it in the 1830's, did it in the 1980's. Its what they do. Personally, I dont believe the vast majority of the time they do any such thing. But in  the middle of a riot, people instigating it by inventing facts? Sod them. Id happily pelt them in the stocks myself. If thats your barometer of free speech, then your compass is way off.

 

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If you're abused by the state becuase they're specifically out to get you OR if you're abused by the state because you're just randomly there and they don't care but you're in their way for some reason, why does it matter? 

Lazy OR Leftist it doesn't matter. You're sliding into an authoritarian state mode where the foreigner is treated better than the native. 

Eventually something's going to break. Are you going to get an Islamic state? When that happens it'll be too Late. Or will Brits decide enough is enough and you get a nationalist swing that will make your head spin. 

As to inventing facts. The government did that too. It specifically called out protests that weren't happening which engendered an Islamist response that was also violent. Are THOSE folks going to be put in stocks? Or are you JUST out for putting those you don't align with in stocks. 

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Once again, you look at it from the perspective of being an American. We do things differently here. You dont have to like it or approve, but when you are knee deep in blood the next time Elon posts utter shite on his platform, reflect that not copying everything your country does appears to have its compensations.

I also post this. This girl was one of the victims of the Rotheram Grooming Gangs, and she absolutely will not be silenced, despite the police trying to shut her up because they don't want to start a riot. And let me be quite clear, good for her.

The point is, the police may occasionally be incompetent, and may abuse their authority. But the narrative that you cannot tell truth to power in Britain is not true. Imagine taking her to court and the shitstorm that would cause.

https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/1857928002014761201?t=XFLKSU80cmwgxnxKhpcFCg&s=19

But tell lies to power? Stir up riots with falsehoods? Not interested, cry me a river.

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Let's remember. You were ok with a religious person silently praying.

Try that with the muslim call to prayer in the Islamic neighborhoods. 

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3 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Once again, you look at it from the perspective of being an American. We do things differently here. You dont have to like it or approve, but when you are knee deep in blood the next time Elon posts utter shite on his platform, reflect that not copying everything your country does appears to have its compensations.

I also post this. This girl was one of the victims of the Rotheram Grooming Gangs, and she absolutely will not be silenced, despite the police trying to shut her up because they don't want to start a riot. And let me be quite clear, good for her.

The point is, the police may occasionally be incompetent, and may abuse their authority. But the narrative that you cannot tell truth to power in Britain is not true. Imagine taking her to court and the shitstorm that would cause.

https://x.com/SamanthaTaghoy/status/1857928002014761201?t=XFLKSU80cmwgxnxKhpcFCg&s=19

But tell lies to power? Stir up riots with falsehoods? Not interested, cry me a river.

And who gets to say what's a lie?

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4 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Once again, you look at it from the perspective of being an American. We do things differently here. You dont have to like it or approve, but when you are knee deep in blood the next time Elon posts utter shite on his platform, reflect that not copying everything your country does appears to have its compensations.

I've not been knee deep in blood because Elon posted utter shite. 

I don't ahve to look at it from a US perspective, I can look at it from an English/Age of Reason/Scottish Enlightenment perspective and call your perspective itself utter shite. 

WE, Americans AND British, AND Canadians AND Australians AND New Zealanders all have a common heritage of a greater degree of freedom of expression, religion and of thought. There were folks who sought to destroy that and you lot IN THE UK, had civil wars over this. WE cut off the head of OUR then Monarch (I say OUR because we have a collective historical ancestry).

 

4 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

I also post this. This girl was one of the victims of the Rotheram Grooming Gangs, and she absolutely will not be silenced, despite the police trying to shut her up because they don't want to start a riot. And let me be quite clear, good for her.

That this gets called out is notable. That there are folks trying to shut her up, even the police tells you you have a problem. 
 

4 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

The point is, the police may occasionally be incompetent, and may abuse their authority. But the narrative that you cannot tell truth to power in Britain is not true.

Sure, you can tell the truth to power IF it's allowed. If it's not allowed, you can't. 

 

4 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

But tell lies to power? Stir up riots with falsehoods? Not interested, cry me a river.

No10 LITERALLY did that. 

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They're are coming for every corner of the Western internet that has free and unchecked speech. 

 

https://www.pcgamer.com/software/platforms/steam-is-an-unsafe-place-for-teens-and-young-adults-us-senator-warns-gabe-newell-of-more-intense-scrutiny-from-the-government-if-valve-doesnt-take-action-against-extremist-content/

 

But they never come for this kind of speech

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you have the current president insinuating not just descriptively but prescriptively, it wasn't just an observation, it looks as though he intended to action it with his comments

 

in the 2020 cycle he ran on open borders- deliberately suggesting that the border patrol was going to be nixed

 

i had a conversation whether he was actually serious about that or it was just campaign virtue signalling. i chalked it up just to that. one, i could not believe he was really that short sighted, and two, he was not that woke previously when in the senate

 

then you see almost immediately he begins putting into effect what he is describing below. while he does not abolish the border patrol, rather he institutes catch and release as about the strongest measure giving the appearance that are still in fact controls in place for plausible deniability. meanwhile the first red eye flights across the country begin. if he thought what he was doing was the right thing or the lawful thing, he was doing it clandestinely for some reason instead of in full view in the interest of transparency. and so if you are of the white european stock you are kind of put into an awkward position- what are you going to do, object to a policy which nearly automatically puts you in the bucket of being a 'racist' or 'white supremacist;' suddenly all the great replacement conspiracy theories start looking like they aren't harebrained maga delusions

 

and to make clear i am an independent, but i tend to be libertarian leaning on social matters, and more conservative on economic policy; 'right wing' or 'left wing'  are not my style when either of them become obnoxious extremes

 

 

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10 hours ago, R011 said:

And who gets to say what's a lie?

Some things are self evident I would think. If someone was going around proclaiming the protocols of the elders of zion were in fact true, and blood sacrifice is a thing, thats clearly a falsehood. One designed to cause dissent, and probably violence to minorities.

Just because the invective is directed againstmuslims, doesnt make it any more tolerable.

Sure, there is a lot of grey area which comes down on opinion. I do think though if you are putting out stuff you heard from a guy down the pub claiming its true, and it turns out its shadowed by an Indian media company, which then proclaims it to the British public as truth, and that causes people to riot, then you really only have yourself to blame.

Such is the nature of the world in which we now live. You are directly responible for the effect your words have. This isnt like standing on a soapbox and saying all politicians are corrupt, and getting listened to by 20 to 30 people. Now you have a global audience and global consequences, and I still dont think folks here really quite appreciate the kind of reach some of the less throughful members of society now have.

TBH, there isnt anything thoughtful or incisive about this, The life of Brian was saying it 45 years ago...

 

Posted
15 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

Some things are self evident I would think.

Not an answer.  Who decides?

Posted
51 minutes ago, R011 said:

Not an answer.  Who decides?

Not foolish people, I hope.

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