Because Democrat Voter Fraud

[rmgill]

5 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

Murph, of all people you really shouldn't lean on "open your eyes" as evidence considering the things you've missed and posted about on here over the last few weeks.

You're going to lecture the retired cop who's put actual criminals in prison about evidence? What's next? You going to lecture the Master Gunners how to the various tables and tell E5M how to dope for wind? 

 

Edited September 13, 2023 by rmgill

[EchoFiveMike]

"It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It"- Upton Sinclair

No point in wasting the time.  All these deceptive shitlib vermin simply lie and claim their bullshit redefinition of the meaning of a word makes it "legal."  Let's just skip all the word games and get to the decisive action.  Only thing that ever matters.  S/F....Ken M

 

[Murph]

Reeeee!  Reeee!  The Narrative, we must obey the narrative!  Reeeee!  

[rmgill]

I saw a meme that resonated on this topic. 

The left is basing all of it's conclusions stories from fact checkers who assert that men can breast feed. 

[sunday]

17 minutes ago, rmgill said:

I saw a meme that resonated on this topic. 

The left is basing all of it's conclusions stories from fact checkers who assert that men can breast feed. 

Still more believable than claiming Arizona has the best electoral system ever

[Murph]

Well, I guess the "Reeeeeeee" crowd will also call this false since they do not like the source:

 

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/09/connecticut-democrat-primary-election-scandal-police-launch-investigation/

[Skywalkre]

On 9/12/2023 at 4:01 PM, Skywalkre said:

So with that being said... where's the solid evidence?  A quick search of this page on wiki shows Fed official convictions going back a while.  Looking over the number going back through Clinton's tenure (about as far bask as I remember anything) you have 27 Rs and 19 Ds being convicted.

A problem with the Rs is they've become a party of Karens.  Just because everything doesn't go your way doesn't mean Fed agencies have turned against you and are out to get you.  That's a rather remarkable thing to claim and frankly I have yet to see any evidence.  Pundits I trust who are in and around these Fed agencies every day rebuke it as a pretty ridiculous accusation.

To further add to this (since no one commented on it... heaven forbid folks are actually able to defend and make an argument about something they post)...

Was talking to a good friend this weekend who has worked with various Fed agencies for several years running.  I ran this whole notion of said agencies being D controlled and out to get Rs.  She laughed at the idea.  Like me, she remembers how historically in our lifetime (she's around the same age) these agencies had strong R leaning and her experience with these agencies seemed to corroborate that.

She then argued that she's more worried about the opposite - that these agencies seem to be full of MAGA Rs and she's worried about what that means.  She figured that this is just a natural transition since, per polling, most Rs are now in the MAGA crowd and the impression was Rs were always a decent part of these organizations.  On top of that many of the agencies she's worked with have natural progression of ex-military into their ranks and the R makeup of the military was always high, and as such many of them are in the MAGA crowd.  She was worried about this because she shares the same sentiments as Romney in that she's concerned these folks don't believe in the Constitution anymore.

[Skywalkre]

On 9/12/2023 at 9:12 PM, rmgill said:

You're going to lecture the retired cop who's put actual criminals in prison about evidence? What's next? You going to lecture the Master Gunners how to the various tables and tell E5M how to dope for wind? 

 

Bullshit is bullshit.  Credentials don't give someone an excuse to post bullshit without being called out on it.  Murph's credentials make what he's posted and been called out on even more embarrassing.  He's had every opportunity to try and explain or argue a point like a mature adult but he's always either gone quiet or fallen back on childish insults like a few posts above this.  Keep the brain-shut-off-meme-BS to Facebook.  Frankly TN was a better place when he took a break after the '20 election.

Edited September 19, 2023 by Skywalkre

[glenn239]

5 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

....She laughed at the idea.....

....  She was worried about this because she shares the same sentiments as Romney in that she's concerned these folks don't believe in the Constitution anymore.

Thanks for that summary, it's pretty interesting.  I really, really like it when posters have this type of, almost, journalistic interview opportunity and take action to sound interesting people to gain insight into their opinions and post it here.  10 out of 10.

In terms of your Fed friend, tell her pick a lane and then get back to us.  Either she "laughs" at the idea that the Feds are vulnerable to political influence, or she is "worried" about it.  But the idea that she laughs at Left political influence and is worried about Right influence, that's pretty much self-serving bullshit I think.  It's either they are or are not subject to this problem.

[FALightFighter]

6 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

... She was worried about this because she shares the same sentiments as Romney in that she's concerned these folks don't believe in the Constitution anymore.

As opposed the the Democrats that haven't cared about the Constitution since Roosevelt(?), Wilson(?). Can anyone point to a Democrat leader that has deliberately and intentionally supported the Constitution? They publically state that they view it as an impediment to their agenda, and ignore it at their whim.

[Murph]

The Democrats have found the perfect way to get their slaves back.  And it is working.  People are eagerly re-segregating, and demanding more bread and circuses.  Democrats=Slave Owners.  They have hated this country ever since they were forced to give up their slaves, and have spent every waking hour since 1865 trying to re-enslave them.

[rmgill]

7 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

Bullshit is bullshit.  Credentials don't give someone an excuse to post bullshit without being called out on it.  Murph's credentials make what he's posted and been called out on even more embarrassing. 

It's not just credentials but actual experience. You're demanding that he understand about evidence? 

I've given you citations of how there are gaps in the Election system here. Actual evidence I've seen and that one can verify. You've pointed as evidence to claims by politicians as veracity of lack of evidence. 

Biden Claimed he had no knowledge of his son's business dealings. Was that evidence? 

Evidence of security of the Georgia Election system would be a verification of the number of absentee ballots that were checked and found to NOT be fallacious or false. You've posted that data right? 

[rmgill]

7 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

Was talking to a good friend this weekend who has worked with various Fed agencies for several years running.  I ran this whole notion of said agencies being D controlled and out to get Rs.  She laughed at the idea.  Like me, she remembers how historically in our lifetime (she's around the same age) these agencies had strong R leaning and her experience with these agencies seemed to corroborate that.

You can laugh at this. But you can't ignore that the IRS has routinely released data on people it was not supposed to do so. And you can look at the spate of incidents of agencies going after Obama's political opponents. From OSHA to the FEC. 

I know you don't WANT to admit such things and that you may be physically unable to do so, but you can easily look at how the FBI is more interested in going after parents at PTA meetings who are irate about a rape at a school as warranting their time than they are other existential threats. 

Note, this is how evidence actually works. You cite something that can be verified in the media and was exposed in detail. The IRS scandal with emails that were "LOST" after material was released was a classic example of how the government agents who are supposedly quite wary of violating release of information laws can do so with impunity if they're going after the right. Never mind such a release is a felony and likely to end one's career and cause you to lose your pension. No worries, just claim the records and emails were lost on hard-drives that were subpoenaed and the data was all deleted. 

7 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

She then argued that she's more worried about the opposite - that these agencies seem to be full of MAGA Rs and she's worried about what that means. 

Of course. Just like the MEDIA is full of MAGA R's. They're ALL MAGA R's. The MAGA Rs are the largest threat to world pace because they DON'T want war with Russia right this minute. 

I'll just note that the feds I know are quite unhappy with things like the Obama Administration's DOJ specifically violating principles like providing evidence to the defense. 

 

Edited September 19, 2023 by rmgill

[Murph]

20 hours ago, rmgill said:

You can laugh at this. But you can't ignore that the IRS has routinely released data on people it was not supposed to do so. And you can look at the spate of incidents of agencies going after Obama's political opponents. From OSHA to the FEC. 

I know you don't WANT to admit such things and that you may be physically unable to do so, but you can easily look at how the FBI is more interested in going after parents at PTA meetings who are irate about a rape at a school as warranting their time than they are other existential threats. 

Note, this is how evidence actually works. You cite something that can be verified in the media and was exposed in detail. The IRS scandal with emails that were "LOST" after material was released was a classic example of how the government agents who are supposedly quite wary of violating release of information laws can do so with impunity if they're going after the right. Never mind such a release is a felony and likely to end one's career and cause you to lose your pension. No worries, just claim the records and emails were lost on hard-drives that were subpoenaed and the data was all deleted. 

Of course. Just like the MEDIA is full of MAGA R's. They're ALL MAGA R's. The MAGA Rs are the largest threat to world pace because they DON'T want war with Russia right this minute. 

I'll just note that the feds I know are quite unhappy with things like the Obama Administration's DOJ specifically violating principles like providing evidence to the defense. 

 

Brilliant post, he will of course stick to the Narrative, he cannot see the truth, no matter how obvious it is.

[rmgill]

Or sky we can look at the DoJ going after a US rocket company for not having enough refugee employees when the company is BARRED from non US citizens for ITAR reasons. I am SURE this has nothing to do with woke policies. 
 

or we can look at the current  border situation. What us that due to? 
 

Or I can point to Sackett v EPA which is STILL WINDING THROUGH THE COURTS. I should be able to go through this board on the Obama era posts and find someone telling me the system was working the way it should so don’t worry about it. 

[rmgill]

Or for evidence of Woke, let me point you to Sam Brinton, formerly of the DoE.  

Or the Surgeon General.

Or the justification/qualifications for picking VP Harris. 

[Ivanhoe]

On 9/19/2023 at 9:25 AM, rmgill said:

Of course. Just like the MEDIA is full of MAGA R's. They're ALL MAGA R's. The MAGA Rs are the largest threat to world pace because they DON'T want war with Russia right this minute. 

 

I figure we are soon to see the reprise of the GWB rule of American politics; conservatives/populists are simultaneously both morons and incredibling cunning when they are manipulating organizations both at home and abroad.

 

[Josh]

Several juries will decide Trump's fate and the GOP House will decide Biden's. Presumably if they find anything they can get enough votes to impeach, because currently, they couldn't even get enough votes for the inquiry. I know, I know, RINOs! Everyone is against you! If it weren't for those liberal jews who vote the wrong way!

[Skywalkre]

3 hours ago, Ivanhoe said:

I figure we are soon to see the reprise of the GWB rule of American politics; conservatives/populists are simultaneously both morons and incredibling cunning when they are manipulating organizations both at home and abroad.

That basically sums up how many of you view Ds.  Both simultaneously morons (how many threads do we have here on TN pointing this out?) and yet so incredibly cunning to have pulled off a stolen election without a shred of evidence after years of a large % of Rs looking for some.

Edited September 21, 2023 by Skywalkre

[Skywalkre]

On 9/19/2023 at 7:25 AM, rmgill said:

You can laugh at this. But you can't ignore that the IRS has routinely released data on people it was not supposed to do so. And you can look at the spate of incidents of agencies going after Obama's political opponents. From OSHA to the FEC. 

I know you don't WANT to admit such things and that you may be physically unable to do so, but you can easily look at how the FBI is more interested in going after parents at PTA meetings who are irate about a rape at a school as warranting their time than they are other existential threats.

The government, many positions (like the IRS) filled with employees that basically can't be fired short of an act of God, has terrible employees fucking up?  I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you.  I'm not laughing at it... you can go through my post history over the years to see I've been a proponent of implementing policies that make it easier to get rid of the dead weight.

Let's take a step back, though.  This all started when several folks made the bold claim that these agencies are solidly in D control and all we had to do was open our eyes to see it.  That's... an incredibly weak argument.  I mean... it's not an argument at all.

We live in an era of 24/7 news with everyone from a teenager up carrying a smartphone that can record and send video the moment something happens.  Everything is tracked... and outlets/FB groups pick up on everything they want to push to their demographic/echo chamber ready to exploit and exaggerate said stories in a heartbeat.  This leads to the question - is there actually something going on, such as Ds secretly taking over government agencies and using them to wage war on Rs, or is it just filtering what folks want to see to shape reality?

Take that IRS story from years ago.  That's something thrown out as proof... yet multiple government reports at the time showed the IRS was cracking down on all types of groups, not just conservative, and the lawsuits launched in regards to this supposed issue by said conservative groups stuttered until Trump took office and forced the government to settle.  That's not proof of wrongdoing... that's a political move to appease your base.

Just like 'stolen elections' I'm not saying this couldn't happen... but just like the 'stolen election' nonsense no proof has really been provided.  When I 'open my eyes' I often find much of what several posters on here talk about/link to has far more nuance or their angle is just plain wrong.

[Skywalkre]

On 9/19/2023 at 6:21 AM, FALightFighter said:

As opposed the the Democrats that haven't cared about the Constitution since Roosevelt(?), Wilson(?). Can anyone point to a Democrat leader that has deliberately and intentionally supported the Constitution? They publically state that they view it as an impediment to their agenda, and ignore it at their whim.

I'm not seeing this.  Let's take Ds and the Constitution.  Tim the Tank Nut had that post recently about the D Gov of NM.  He kept mentioning something about it 'being a test run'.  I get the reference... but I don't get that there's any reason to believe that's what was going on.  Talking to actual Ds and listening to pundits and D political leaders I keep hearing the same message - they're focusing on winning so they can pass legislation and get sympathetic judges appointed.  That's how our system works.

I grew up believing the same thing you talk about... the Ds didn't believe in the Constitution.  As I've gotten older I think that was a bit... disingenuous on behalf of them.  Many of them simply have differing approaches to interpreting it.  We disagree with those interpretations... but they're allowed to have them (and said interpretations have shaped this country from the beginning).

Let's not also forget the lesson from '22.  No matter what you think about Ds and how they view the Constitution the reality is a lot of voters were motivated to come out and vote against Trump and his candidates because they felt they were a threat to democracy.  I never thought that day would come in my lifetime... that a substantial number of Americans voted against Rs because of that reason... but it's true.  Trump and the MAGA crowd aren't doing anything to change that going into '24 and that same message will likely be another rallying cry for the Ds.  That's entirely on Trump for still pushing the notion of a stolen election and for supporting candidates back in '22 (and likely again in '24) who claimed they would overturn or ignore the vote despite any evidence of wrongdoing.

 

[Skywalkre]

On 9/19/2023 at 7:11 AM, rmgill said:

Evidence of security of the Georgia Election system would be a verification of the number of absentee ballots that were checked and found to NOT be fallacious or false. You've posted that data right? 

Once again, your state governor (an R) has stated he is more than willing to listen to anyone who can come forward and under oath present evidence of a stolen election.  No one has.  That same state government (as has mine in AZ) has investigated various claims and found nothing.  Cases presented in court have been thrown out for being laughable or turned up nothing in the end.

Whatever metric you think will finally prove it is irrelevant (and I imagine you'll just keep changing that metric even if what you wanted was done and it found nothing). 

[rmgill]

3 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

The government, many positions (like the IRS) filled with employees that basically can't be fired short of an act of God, has terrible employees fucking up?  I'm shocked, SHOCKED I tell you.  I'm not laughing at it... you can go through my post history over the years to see I've been a proponent of implementing policies that make it easier to get rid of the dead weight.

Yes. And it's not just staff, it's leadership directing this. Who do you think didn't agressively persue the records leak at the IRS? 

If it was JUST staff fuckups that's one thing. It wasn't just staff. It was leadership who condoned the leaks and the action. 

I'm SHOCKED tosee that you don't really see this as a problem. 
 

3 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

Let's take a step back, though.  This all started when several folks made the bold claim that these agencies are solidly in D control and all we had to do was open our eyes to see it.  That's... an incredibly weak argument.  I mean... it's not an argument at all.

It is an argument. And it's supported by the fact that the agencies were going after Obama's opponents. We had this CLEARLY demonstrated by several instances. Using the Federal Government as an arm to punish folks who stand out isn't appropriate. PERIOD. 
 

3 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

We live in an era of 24/7 news with everyone from a teenager up carrying a smartphone that can record and send video the moment something happens.  Everything is tracked...

THEN HOW ARE IRS AGENTS RELEASING PRIVATE DOCUMENTATION AS A POLITICAL RETRIBUTION NOT BEING PUNISHED? 

3 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

and outlets/FB groups pick up on everything they want to push to their demographic/echo chamber ready to exploit and exaggerate said stories in a heartbeat. 

RIGHT. And we had the Federal Government agencies from the CDC to the FBI conducting a broad scale campaign to violate the 1st amendment and violate citizens constitutional rights by effecting censorship. 

That's been a clear behavior set. Seems to be opponents of the Biden administration or Federal Policy in general. That's ok too? But everything is tracked. so, it should be easy to find people who are key candidates for conviction under 18 § 241 and 18 § 242. 

3 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

This leads to the question - is there actually something going on, such as Ds secretly taking over government agencies and using them to wage war on Rs, or is it just filtering what folks want to see to shape reality?

Secretly? No, not secretly. 

 

3 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

Take that IRS story from years ago.  That's something thrown out as proof... yet multiple government reports at the time showed the IRS was cracking down on all types of groups, not just conservative, and the lawsuits launched in regards to this supposed issue by said conservative groups stuttered until Trump took office and forced the government to settle.  That's not proof of wrongdoing... that's a political move to appease your base.

Ok, so who was convicted for the leaked personal tax data? 

Who was convicted for deleting data that was under subpoena? 

Who's getting convicted for conspiracy to deprive citizens of civil rights under color of law by the FBI's censorship arm? 

 

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/242
Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.

 

[Rick]

rmgill has the most accurate posts on what and how the U.S. Federal government is operating. Well done sir!

[rmgill]

4 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

Once again, your state governor (an R) has stated he is more than willing to listen to anyone who can come forward and under oath present evidence of a stolen election.  No one has. 

 

Lack of evidence is not evidence of absence. Again. If there's not enough of an audit trail on materials moving through a system or a broken chain you WILL NOT HAVE EVIDENCE that things went missing.

It's like demanding an audit trail of money taken out of a register where there's no inventory of the goods sold or the register receipts aren't printed. How do you know if an employee is slipping 5s and 10s out of the register if you can't track what's taken in for every transaction?  You have no way to do so short of standing there and double line accounting every transaction in real time or video'ing the register the whole time. 

What could only be done in Ga was tighten up the process after the fact. Which the state appears to have done. We shall see. I still don't trust how things are done in Fulton County. But then the entire government there isn't exactly very above board. DeKalb isn't any better. 

Edited September 21, 2023 by rmgill