Because Democrat Voter Fraud

[Stefan Fredriksson]

7 hours ago, glenn239 said:

You first said he was trolling, now you say he's unconvincing.

No. Those are your words.

[Murph]

IN their own words:

 

 

[glenn239]

14 hours ago, Stefan Fredriksson said:

No. Those are your words.

To me looks quite obvious Murph is just trolling you on this.

Those are your words.

[Stefan Fredriksson]

15 hours ago, glenn239 said:

To me looks quite obvious Murph is just trolling you on this.

Those are your words.

Yes. So? I have not changed my mind, even though you tried to put words in my mouth. I'll leave at that. Enjoy. 🙃

[sunday]

We need a billy goat.

[Ivanhoe]

 

[Ivanhoe]

 

[Murph]

Kim Ogg got forced into filing otherwise the AG would have stepped in.  She is a Soros DA.  

[Murph]

How does this happen?  

 

 

[Skywalkre]

On 8/14/2024 at 6:58 AM, Ivanhoe said:

 

I love posts like this that state something, in this case claiming "rigging the 2022 midterm election against Republican candidates", and then just after a minute into the vid they post it contradicts the statement.  Holy shit, people, listen to the clip you're attaching to your claims so you don't look like a mouthbreather.  🤣

[Skywalkre]

32 minutes ago, Murph said:

How does this happen?  

 

 

Literally a few seconds of searching the web will give you the answer...

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Registered voters outnumber people of voting age in Michigan because of a state law that requires clerks to keep inactive voters – defined as those who haven’t voted for six years or changed their addresses to out-of-state ones – on the rolls for up to two federal election cycles after being identified as inactive, said Corwin Smidt, an associate professor of political science at Michigan State University. More than 610,000 inactive voters are scheduled for removal by 2027, according to the state's voter information center.

“That discrepancy is required by state law,” Smidt said.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2024/06/26/105-percent-michigan-residents-registered-vote/74192009007/

[Murph]

Yes,, but in Democrat States the dead vote reliably democrat each and every election.

[Skywalkre]

17 hours ago, Murph said:

Yes,, but in Democrat States the dead vote reliably democrat each and every election.

Which is still illegal, and if there was proof of that in recent years all you 'stolen election' true believers would have something that would stand up in court... but that proof isn't there.

[Skywalkre]

And here's some stories you missed... because fraud by Rs isn't important?  I'm still not sure, you haven't really explained why you only care about it if Ds do it...

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Former Colorado clerk Tina Peters, one-time hero to election deniers, convicted in computer breach

DENVER (AP) — Former Colorado clerk Tina Peters, the first local election official to be charged with a security breach after the 2020 election as unfounded conspiracy theories swirled, was found guilty by a jury on most charges Monday.

Peters, a one-time hero to election deniers, was accused of using someone else’s security badge to give an expert affiliated with My Pillow chief executive Mike Lindell access to the Mesa County election system and deceiving other officials about that person’s identity.

Lindell is a prominent promoter of false claims that voting machines were manipulated to steal the election from Donald Trump. His online broadcasting site has been showing a livestream of Peters’ trial and sending out daily email updates, sometimes asking for prayers for Peters and including statements from her.

Prosecutors said Peters was seeking fame and became “fixated” on voting problems after becoming involved with those who had questioned the accuracy of the 2020 presidential election results.

The breach Peters was charged of orchestrating heightened concerns over potential insider threats, in which rogue election workers sympathetic to partisan lies could use their access and knowledge to launch an attack from within.

Peters was convicted of three counts of attempting to influence a public servant, one count of conspiracy to commit criminal impersonation, first-degree official misconduct, violation of duty and failing to comply with the secretary of state.

https://apnews.com/article/tina-peters-election-computer-breach-8a171657321dd595dfd2dd81e0a0a848

[Skywalkre]

And another!

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First guilty plea in AZ fake elector case comes from GOP activist Lorraine Pellegrino

The first of Arizona’s 11 fake electors has pleaded guilty of attempting to undermine the will of voters in the state in 2020 to keep former President Donald Trump in office, even though voters in Arizona — and nationwide — rejected him and instead chose Joe Biden. 

Conservative activist Lorraine Pellegrino, who previously served as the president of Ahwatukee Republican Women, entered a guilty plea to a misdemeanor charge of filing a false instrument, according to Richie Taylor, a spokesman for the Arizona Attorney General’s Office.

All of the defendants in the case, including the 11 fake electors, were charged with nine felonies, including fraud, conspiracy and forgery. In December of 2020, just a month after the election, Pellegrino was one of the group of Republicans who signed a certificate falsely claiming that Trump won the state. President Joe Biden won Arizona by 10,457 votes.

https://azmirror.com/briefs/first-guilty-plea-in-az-fake-elector-case-comes-from-gop-activist-lorraine-pellegrino/

[Murph]

Some times people plead since it is too expensive to fight City Hall.  I suspect most if not all of these will be overturned on appeal.

[EchoFiveMike]

One side is generally trying to hide shit, the other side is generally trying to reveal shit.  Make your judgements accordingly.  S/F...Ken M

[rmgill]

If a system has the abilty to eject auditors, who have no real authority and there are no controls on the data integrity, how precisely do you assert that a system has no one with their fingers on the scales. 

Apply the same rules for vote counting to audits for finances or other details and you'd be up on SOX, FEC, or FTC violations.

We literally have to account for individual hard drives in an unbroken chain in my data center role at the bank I work for now. We CANNOT lose a single hard drive.  A hard drive that is not brand new, in the wrap is NOT usable in the system it MUST be thrown out if there is ANY question as to chain of custody. 

Ballots that are handed into drop boxes, en masse, and with poor/no chain of custody, how the hell is that supposed to work and have any integrity? 

[rmgill]

6 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

Which is still illegal, and if there was proof of that in recent years all you 'stolen election' true believers would have something that would stand up in court... but that proof isn't there.

How much proof of Identity theft do we have? 

Now, how much ACTUAL identity theft is going on with SSIDs by illegals? 

Does the lack of evidence mean evidence of absence. 
 

[Murph]

I worked a case where hundreds of social security numbers were being used in South Texas, I could not get any of the Federal agencies to help.  I had another one where this poor little girls social was being used in FIVE different states and the IRS was demanding SHE pay all the taxes.  I never could get the IRS to help.  

[Ivanhoe]

https://news.yahoo.com/news/her-name-signature-petition-cornel-000155529.html
 

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PHOENIX (AP) — When Denisha Mitchell was asked why she filled out paperwork to serve as an Arizona elector for the independent presidential candidate Cornel West, her first response was “What?!” Her second: What's an elector?

“I was shocked and surprised by it all. I didn't even know what an elector was," Mitchell told The Associated Press on Friday. "The crazy thing is it was all forged. None of it was my handwriting. It was definitely not my signature. My email was wrong, my address was wrong."

 

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But as the presidential election enters a critical three-month period, there are efforts around the country to subvert the integrity of the ballot, many of them coming from a collection of conservative activists and Republican-aligned operatives pushing West's candidacy.

Republicans and their allies have worked to get West on the ballot in Arizona, Wisconsin, Virginia, North Carolina, Nebraska, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Maine.

 

An amusing hypothesis. But wait, there's more;

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Her former employer, a signature gathering contractor called Wells Marketing, a mysterious Missouri limited liability company, is leading the effort to get West on the ballot in Arizona. The company did not respond to a message seeking comment at a phone number listed for it.

 

[Skywalkre]

On 8/16/2024 at 1:56 PM, EchoFiveMike said:

One side is generally trying to hide shit, the other side is generally trying to reveal shit.  Make your judgements accordingly.  S/F...Ken M

Not even remotely accurate.

On the R side you have 40-70% who have lost their shit and think 2020 was stolen.  Just... baffling going four years on considering the complete lack of evidence.  They're not trying to reveal anything, they're now making it up or living in fantasy land.  Note the only widespread prosecution of concerted efforts to overturn 2020 are against Trump and his associates.

The rest of the Rs have reasonable ideas on making elections stronger and you'd likely get a similar % of Ds who support the ideas.

However, D leadership, and a sizeable element of their base, are opposed to anything that could remotely be perceived as infringing on someone's ability to cast a vote no matter how far-fetched.  This isn't them trying to hide anything.  It's simply Ds sticking up for the rights they're most concerned about regarding their base.  Let's keep in mind it was less than two decades before I was born that major elements of their base were finally guaranteed full rights as citizens.

The Rs are no different, just over different rights.  Many Rs will fight tooth and nail to prevent anything that could be perceived as remotely infringing on their 2A rights no matter how reasonable the measures are.  Pushing back against some voting reform measures is the same thing for the Ds.

[glenn239]

10 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

 

On the R side you have 40-70% who have lost their shit and think 2020 was stolen.  Just... baffling going four years on considering the complete lack of evidence.  

Enough of this nonsense please.  You are perfectly aware that security for mail in ballots was relaxed - using Covid as a pretext -  to the point in many states where it became possible to commit voter fraud on a scale large enough to swing close states.  So knock it off with the tone deaf bullshit that there was insufficient evidence to prove it happened.  The 2020 election is over.  You're either for a 2024 election in which the security is tight enough that no state can be swung by mail in ballot fraud, or, IMO, you are part of the problem.

[rmgill]

12 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

Not even remotely accurate.

On the R side you have 40-70% who have lost their shit and think 2020 was stolen.  Just... baffling going four years on considering the complete lack of evidence.  They're not trying to reveal anything, they're now making it up or living in fantasy land.  Note the only widespread prosecution of concerted efforts to overturn 2020 are against Trump and his associates.

Nonsense. The left has fought against basic systems to ensure security. I saw this in spades from the DNC and the preferred governor in Georgia, Stacy Abrams. You've yet to satisfactorily address that giant beam in the DNC's eye. From IDs to clearing voter rolls of ineligible people. It's the same with the border rules. Or for that matter criminal justice. 

 

12 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

The rest of the Rs have reasonable ideas on making elections stronger and you'd likely get a similar % of Ds who support the ideas.

And then the D's block them in courts. 

For example. Stacy didn't want voter information to exactly match what was on the ballot/rolls. What you mispelled your name, no issue. Why would that matter?

 

12 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

However, D leadership, and a sizeable element of their base, are opposed to anything that could remotely be perceived as infringing on someone's ability to cast a vote no matter how far-fetched.  

What other legal process do you know of where such things can be skated past? If your info doesn't match on a federal form for firearms transactions does that count as a felony? In some cases yes. What if your ATF Form 4 is wrong? Rejected. A friend had a Form 4 transfer rejected because the Attorney filling out the transfer paperwork on the Dealer side, put down Mark vs Markus.

Such inconsistencies in the restrictions on the right to keep and bear arms, Is that something the DNC will want to address? IS it racist to require an ID to buy a gun or buy alcohol? 

Can you do anything without a government issued ID? Go buy a gun. Go try it. Tell em it's racist for you to be expected to have a Gov't issued ID that's free. 

Your party's rules and policies are are inconsistent dude. 

12 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

The Rs are no different, just over different rights.  Many Rs will fight tooth and nail to prevent anything that could be perceived as remotely infringing on their 2A rights no matter how reasonable the measures are.  Pushing back against some voting reform measures is the same thing for the Ds.

We're a HELL of a lot further past any of the restrictions on voting than we are on 2A issues. WAY beyond the pale. 

What's the NFA'34 comparison to Voting rights? What's the GCA '68 version? What's the AWB version? What's the cross borders and felony in some states version. If I vote out of state from New York with an absetntee Ballot, am I committing a felony? If I carry my legally held firearm in Georgia to New York city I WILL go to jail and prison if caught. What's the comparable here? There isn't one. Looking over my shoulder at a book case, I see nearly 2 inches of books of state and federal gun laws from the ATF's circulars when I was a Type 3 FFL. AT Green Book (ATF Federal firearms laws), the Blue book (state laws) and the Red Book (explosives). That doesn't even address silly knife laws. 

Can I go buy a firearm for someone else in Any State? No, it's a felony. It's a straw purchase. Can I go turn in someone else's Form 4473 that they filled in at home? Can I turn in hundreds en masse? No. Can I have missing information or incorrect information? No. 

We have a bunch of taxes on firearms and the like. Democrats have proposed high taxes on ammo. Poll taxes are illegal. So again, the comparison falls flatter than Wyle E Coyote. 

Try again. Your comparison isn't even bloody close. 

Edited August 20, 2024 by rmgill

[Murph]

1 hour ago, glenn239 said:

Enough of this nonsense please.  You are perfectly aware that security for mail in ballots was relaxed - using Covid as a pretext -  to the point in many states where it became possible to commit voter fraud on a scale large enough to swing close states.  So knock it off with the tone deaf bullshit that there was insufficient evidence to prove it happened.  The 2020 election is over.  You're either for a 2024 election in which the security is tight enough that no state can be swung by mail in ballot fraud, or, IMO, you are part of the problem.

Ignore him, he has been told the narrative, and has to spout it regardless of the facts.