Because Democrat Voter Fraud

[Murph]

Nope, no fraud here...

 

[Rick]

On 11/7/2023 at 1:35 PM, Tim the Tank Nut said:

I can't believe I'm posting on this thread but here goes (told you I wasn't very smart):

In aggregate the conditions around the last election were so different from previous elections that it's no wonder one side is skeptical of the other.

The ease by which ballots became avaialble to people who weren't typically part of the election process is an example of where manipulation is a greater factor than outright fraud.

Given that voter fraud has been considered a regular occurrence in Chicago and Pennsylvania for decades I'm not sure how it's unthinkable now. AS far as direct fraud goes, I'm not sure how one proves or disproves it when it is a secret ballot.  The outright hostility that the D side has for voter ID doesn't make the R side feel warm and fuzzy.  We KNOW that the dead vote "D".  That has been a truism since before the war.  We KNOW that the Unions influenced elections as far back as we could see.

If Dominion had the capacity to program voting machines to do inappropriate tallies does anyone beleive for a second that they don't have the ability to hide the programming?  Our own government was able to adjust elections in Central America for decades, why would I think that we don't know how to do that now?  The entire COVID experience is too fantastic to be anything other than a calculated gamble.  Throughput the runup to the election it was forbidden to consider the possibility that China was involved.  After the election that point didn't age well.

From my chair the last election looks fishy as hell.  I can't definitively prove it but it's like walking through the woods and smeeling something dead.  I can't find the animal's remains, but I can smell it.  Votes were "Found" in numerous precincts where every single vote was for Team D.  How likely is that from a statistical point of view?

What was it that they said in MIB? "Imagine what you'll know tomorrow."

 

For my part it doesn't matter about the fraud.  Our side should have enough of a lead that it can't be changed by fraud.  The closeness of the current election cycle is because Trump can't get over talking about the last election.  If he wants to win it needs to be about the issues of here and now.  The Democrats are like the Borg in both thought and methodology.  They assimilate.  Whether current events breaks their unholy coalition or not remains to be seen...

If nothing else, we do live in interesting times

 

Maybe the best post on this topic.

[Murph]

If they do not cheat, they lose:

 

[Skywalkre]

On 11/7/2023 at 9:08 AM, rmgill said:

And what is being pushed by the anti-american-anti-western crowd is that fraud never happens.

A strawman you all have created.

On 11/7/2023 at 9:08 AM, rmgill said:

Despite that I Identified it personally and saw the gap in the system with my own mother's extant 3 cycles after her death.

I've asked you this before and I'll ask again because you never responded - did you report it to authorities?  If they blew you off did you take it to Fox/OAN/etc.?  Those places would kill for a legit example of fraud that was ignored.

I also ask because there were similar stories after '20... that turned out to be clerical errors on the websites used to check such info.  What you're claiming needs to be looked at to see what it actually is.

[Skywalkre]

On 11/8/2023 at 2:51 AM, Markus Becker said:

And in Arizona it was an equipment malfunction in many polling stations that lasted for many hours. Even though everything had been tested and worked before the election day(when most of the people voting in person are known to be Republicans).

There was no manipulation in this incident as you seem to define it.  The investigation afterwards simply showed mechanical malfunctions.  Said malfunctions only impacted the tabulators used at local polling stations.  Even the day of the election it was repeatedly stated that no one's vote was ever in doubt of being tallied.  If the tabulator didn't work they could be counted at the main election HQ by different machines or by hand.  Again, if you showed up to vote that day and filled out the ballot your vote would be counted.

Some in the MAGA crowd got pissed and supposedly walked away and chose not to vote that election.  That is on them.  There is no obligation from the state to account for people being morons and choosing not to vote.  We don't have mandatory elections here... if you choose not to vote that's ok.  That doesn't make it manipulation, stolen, or anything... it just makes it another election.

I also have to keep touching on this notion you repeated several times in your post - authorities not looking.  Where in the world are you getting that from?

[Skywalkre]

On 11/7/2023 at 11:35 AM, Tim the Tank Nut said:

The ease by which ballots became avaialble to people who weren't typically part of the election process is an example of where manipulation is a greater factor than outright fraud.

Let me start with this.  This discussion in the last week has been the first time I've seen this use of 'manipulation' to describe complaints about the '20 election.  It's a little... off-putting for me.  Folks on here love to highlight when someone else 'moves the goalposts' and this new phrase is doing just that.  Trump has, from the beginning, claimed fraud.  Not 'legal manipulation that just doesn't feel right and shouldn't be allowed'.  He has proposed that results should be thrown out because of this fraud (and let's not forget several of his candidates stating that if they were in charge back in '20 they would not have certified the votes).  Words have meaning... and this issue didn't arise from 'manipulation'.

On 11/7/2023 at 11:35 AM, Tim the Tank Nut said:

Given that voter fraud has been considered a regular occurrence in Chicago and Pennsylvania for decades I'm not sure how it's unthinkable now. AS far as direct fraud goes, I'm not sure how one proves or disproves it when it is a secret ballot.  The outright hostility that the D side has for voter ID doesn't make the R side feel warm and fuzzy.  We KNOW that the dead vote "D".  That has been a truism since before the war.  We KNOW that the Unions influenced elections as far back as we could see.

Let's say all the above is true (there's a rather big difference between things that were and things that are still going on... but we can table that discussion for now).  What does the above have to do or how does it support the notion of fraud in places that don't have that history... like here in AZ?

On 11/7/2023 at 11:35 AM, Tim the Tank Nut said:

If Dominion had the capacity to program voting machines to do inappropriate tallies does anyone beleive for a second that they don't have the ability to hide the programming? 

I'm glad you brought up the Dominion example.  Dominion, to my knowledge, has not been shown to have played any part in anything illegal or their machines shown to be unreliable in the '20 election.  Remember Fox settled with them for $800 million to avoid going to court.  I'm not away of any court challenges supporting Dominion was an issue in '20... yet their name lives on as part of this saga.

I've been on this site long enough to remember all the references to the Left and how they operate like out of the book 1984 in rewriting history... yet in current times it's the MAGA crowd that are acting like something out of 1984.  Lies are held up to be truths even after clearly being shown to be lies.  Truth and reality have no bearing, just on what Trump wants to believe (and his supporters gobble it up).  Dominion (which last I heard will likely go out of business because their name is now tarnished)... stolen election... they're all examples of this.

(And, FWIW, anything that runs off software can be made to do anything you want it to... this isn't limited to just Dominion's machines... just a reality of software in general.)

On 11/7/2023 at 11:35 AM, Tim the Tank Nut said:

From my chair the last election looks fishy as hell.  I can't definitively prove it but it's like walking through the woods and smeeling something dead.  I can't find the animal's remains, but I can smell it.  Votes were "Found" in numerous precincts where every single vote was for Team D.  How likely is that from a statistical point of view?

A lot of these 'fishy' takes are just highly biased and uninformed reporting of how the election process works.  Case in point me having to explain yet again the incident here in AZ back in '22 in a post above here.  There was never any doubt that folks' votes wouldn't have been counted that day (and we knew that the day of that election)... but uninformed MAGA supporters threw a fit and instead of calling them out for being morons that myth still gets tossed around.

Remember, how many court hearings have their been?  A lot... and everything brought up in an effort to support the notion of fraud has been tossed.  You talk about statistics... what are the odds that happens and there is still fraud that occurred?  What are the odds of fraud occurring in my state when authorities spent tens of thousands of hours investigating every possible lead and found nothing?  The MAGA crowd likes to talk about the accusations... not so much the results when those accusations are given scrutiny in a court of law and shown to be BS.

Let's also take a look at some of the supposed red flags people point to.  Not too many posts back someone posted a common example that they believe points to fraud - that Biden got more votes than previous winners.  Think about that... someone thinks that's a red flag...   Meanwhile, that same poster (and others who have mentioned this) don't even blink at the notion that Trump, one of the most unpopular POTUS of all time, also got more votes than any previous winner of an election.  All that does is highlight the biases of the person making the accusation instead of there being an accusation worth looking into (I'm curious what those same people would say if Ds started accusing Trump of fraud using the same argument).

So with nothing to support the notion the notion still lives on... and that has consequences.  Trump refusing to acknowledge what every expert and lawyer was telling him after '20 (that there was no fraud and he lost) leads to 6Jan.  Trump continuing to push the notion and making it a hallmark of his support of a candidate leads to '22 where Rs get their asses handed to them in the midterms.  It leads to countless election workers being harassed and threatened by the MAGA crowd for doing nothing wrong.  It leads to further polarization in this country when large swathes struggle to understand how the MAGA crowd still believes and supports a man pushing a lie all because of his own hubris.  Rs used to be the party of personal responsibility and they've thrown that, along with a lot of other hallmarks of Conservatism, out the window all because one man can't imagine that he was a loser.

I can understand folks being suspicious of '20 the months immediately after the election... but at this point, years later, with no proof whatsoever to support the notion now... it's actually a little infuriating that the notion lives on.

[rmgill]

1 hour ago, Skywalkre said:

A strawman you all have created.

Yes. It's a straw man. We made it all up. Voter fraud never occurs? 

The left is all about following the rules for the things they want. They will NEVER break any rules or follow all of the civil guidelines of society. 

1 hour ago, Skywalkre said:

I've asked you this before and I'll ask again because you never responded - did you report it to authorities?

The wife in question had just lost her husband, it was not a good idea. I'm not law enforcement so I'm not required to do so. I did however note to the election board about my mother's voter registration. That I was persuing and it was intersting to see how long it took. 

 

1 hour ago, Skywalkre said:

  If they blew you off did you take it to Fox/OAN/etc.?  Those places would kill for a legit example of fraud that was ignored.

No I took it to you. You're supposed to take it and run with it. Since you're the official vetter of voter fraud in the US. I mean you act like you are. 

 

1 hour ago, Skywalkre said:

I also ask because there were similar stories after '20... that turned out to be clerical errors on the websites used to check such info.  What you're claiming needs to be looked at to see what it actually is.

Well, if there's clerical errors on your tax return, what happens? Do you think the IRS just says. It's all good. Try such clerical errors on Financial reporting, like SOX reports.  Chain of custody with evidence is quite firm too. Only with voting does it seem to be lax and fraught with "oopsie!"

Edited November 13, 2023 by rmgill

[rmgill]

The point is, I can't grasp how the idea that when you have Democrats leaking personal tax data, effecting audits for political opponents, and other things that are against the law, how and why it's inconceivable that they'd act in a stand alone complex to manipulate the elections. 

There's enough smoke to point to something. Simply asserting that there's no evidence OR not enough evidence to warrant a substantial check when in may of the cases the complaints were dropped for standing not lack of evidence is ridiculous. 

We had RIOTS over an issue that was over blown. Trump was disliked enough by the left for riots on his inauguration day. IT's no out of bounds to suspect voting system irregularities and fudging of registrations, ballot counting methods and accpetance of absentee ballots is not part of a many small fingers on the scales. 

[Tim the Tank Nut]

I'm going to pick one point to address as time is limited:

election workers harassed by MAGA types

 

for those who don't read the news the great majority of "incidents" are generally precipitated by the Left.  There were several issues in the most recent election with some of them getting national air play.

The Left literally shoots our congressional representatives with guns using actual bullets.  It's difficult at best for me to accept the events as I see them as the fault of Trump supporters.  When Trump supporters claimed that the Covid virus came from China we were shouted down and told it was preposterous.  It's only a single data point because I don't have them time to devote to more data points.

Assuming that the Democrat Party operates in good faith is a step too far for me to take.  I've seen and experienced enough to know better.  What really sets the Left off about Trump is that he's willing to act like the Left does ) a downer for me but gotta take what I can get)

more later if I can

[Ivanhoe]

Two words; Jussie Smollett.

 

[Murph]

Well, the fraudster has been identified.  Libtards and Democrats hit hardest.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/12/ruby-breaking-crooked-democrat-filmed-pulling-suitcases-ballots-georgia-identified/

 

[rmgill]

The problem there is it's either fraud, or evidence of such sloppy ballot handling that the ballots are carried around in what look like personal suit cases with no official notation of what things are. Funnily enough, at my new job, if folks did that with computers or hard drives, they'd be fired on the spot because it violates some pretty solid accounting rules for things with financial data attached. 

But no, it's not evidence of fraud. Nor is it evidence of incompetence, it's just business as usual. 

Also, remember when we were all told there was not minimization/censorship of Youtube or Facebook or Twitter? 

[Murph]

Yes.  Nothing to see here, move along.  

And unfortunately in Texas, more fraud (or sheer bloody happenstance):

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/it-happened-again-dallas-county-texas-ess-pollbooks/

[Ivanhoe]

3 hours ago, rmgill said:

The problem there is it's either fraud, or evidence of such sloppy ballot handling that the ballots are carried around in what look like personal suit cases with no official notation of what things are. Funnily enough, at my new job, if folks did that with computers or hard drives, they'd be fired on the spot because it violates some pretty solid accounting rules for things with financial data attached. 

Evidence chain of custody is racist. 

[Markus Becker]

14 hours ago, Skywalkre said:

There was no manipulation in this incident as you seem to define it.  The investigation afterwards simply showed mechanical malfunctions.  Said malfunctions only impacted the tabulators used at local polling stations.  Even the day of the election it was repeatedly stated that no one's vote was ever in doubt of being tallied.  If the tabulator didn't work they could be counted at the main election HQ by different machines or by hand.  Again, if you showed up to vote that day and filled out the ballot your vote would be counted.

Some in the MAGA crowd got pissed and supposedly walked away and chose not to vote that election.  That is on them.  There is no obligation from the state to account for people being morons and choosing not to vote.  We don't have mandatory elections here... if you choose not to vote that's ok.  That doesn't make it manipulation, stolen, or anything... it just makes it another election.

I also have to keep touching on this notion you repeated several times in your post - authorities not looking.  Where in the world are you getting that from?

 

Malfunctions of the kind the pre election tests could not reveal for reasonable reasons. 

That's what the MSM are saying. Considering what they have been saying from the Russia conspiracy to Hunter's laptop it's but their opinion. 

Edited November 14, 2023 by Markus Becker

[EchoFiveMike]

If the media is saying it, you can be fairly certain it's a lie, something they want to be true, but in no way related to actual fact.  S/F....Ken M 

[Murph]

7 hours ago, EchoFiveMike said:

If the media is saying it, you can be fairly certain it's a lie, something they want to be true, but in no way related to actual fact.  S/F....Ken M 

SO true, so very very true.

[Murph]

More fraud:

 

[Murph]

Chain of custody on those ballots totally broken, might as well throw them out.

[Rick]

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/sen-vance-demands-irs-halt-harassment-conservative-orgs-watchdog-reportedly-audited

"One example Vance cites was in 2017 when the agency subjected conservative groups applying for tax-exempt status to heightened scrutiny and significant delays. The IRS admitted to targeting these groups based on their conservative viewpoints beginning in the 2010s, leading to a cleanup of the agency's top leadership, the letter noted." 

[rmgill]

Now we have the FCC working to control every aspect of internet access…

[Murph]

More fraud: This time under oath.

 

[Murph]

 

[Ivanhoe]

https://pjmedia.com/matt-margolis/2023/11/28/virginia-election-official-altered-election-results-in-2020-n4924304

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"In a county where President Joe Biden received 54% of the vote in the 2020 presidential election to former President Donald Trump's 44%, an election official at the time allegedly 'altered election results"' in the state's reporting system, leading to three grand jury indictments last year,” reports Just the News, which obtained the court documents. "In September 2022, former Prince William County general registrar Michele White was indicted by a grand jury on two felony counts alleging corrupt conduct as an election official and making a false statement, and one misdemeanor indictment of willful neglect of duty by an election officer. White’s jury trial is set to begin on Jan. 16, 2024, and go until Jan. 26."

The current general registrar contends that White’s actions did not alter the outcome of any elections. White abruptly resigned from her position in 2021, when the Prince William County elections board asked for her resignation. 

White claims she’s the target of political prosecution.

“Now that we have a Republican governor, who is out campaigning for other Republican governors who claim the election was stolen, I feel that my unexplained resignation and the personal agendas of a few aggrieved staff have created an opportunity for the Governor to use me as a way to show a need for the Election integrity Unit,” White claimed last year. “It’s just a good show.”

 

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“The three indictments were issued by a grand jury,” Virginia Attorney General Jason Miyares' spokeswoman, Victoria LaCivita, said in a statement. “It is utterly false to say they are politically motivated.”

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According to a notice and motion for release of court funds for defense investigation and expert assistance that was filed this past March, White’s lawyer stated that the Attorney General’s office alleges “White altered election results within the state reporting system, VERIS, and that her alterations resulted in the false reporting of the election results from Prince William County.” 

 

[Murph]

So 131% of DC voters voted.  No, No fraud at all.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/12/investigation-finds-131-percent-eligible-voters-registered-washington/

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‘Dirty voter rolls’ slammed, 131% of eligible DC voters registered

Several states and the District of Columbia have been hit by an election watchdog for failing to clean up their voter rolls of the dead and ineligible.

Judicial Watch said it just finished investigating registrations and sent letters to the district, California, and Illinois warning that they are violating the National Voter Registration Act by not cleaning up the rolls.

In the case of Washington, D.C., Judicial Watch said the voting rolls revealed a much higher number than are eligible to vote.

“D.C.’s total registration rate — its total number of registrations divided by the most recent census estimates of its citizen voting-age population — is greater than 131%,” said the review.

But Judicial Watch also gave credit to the district for moving quickly after receiving its letter to begin removing 103,000 names of ineligible voters. California and Illinois have promised to clean up their rolls.

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According to Judicial Watch, they are already getting results on this:

DC Removing 103,000 Ineligible Names from the Voter Rolls in Response to Judicial Watch

(Washington, DC) – Judicial Watch announced today that it sent notice letters to election officials in the District of Columbia, California, and Illinois, notifying them of evident violations of the National Voter Registration Act (NVRA) of 1993, based on their failure to remove inactive voters from their registration rolls. The letters point out that these jurisdictions publicly reported removing few or no ineligible voter registrations under a key provision of the NVRA. The letters threaten federal lawsuits unless the violations are corrected in a timely fashion. In response to Judicial Watch’s inquiries, Washington, DC, officials admitted that they had not complied with the NVRA, promptly removed 65,544 outdated names from the voting rolls, promised to remove 37,962 more, and designated another 73,522 registrations as “inactive.”

The NVRA requires states to “conduct a general program that makes a reasonable effort to remove” from the official voter rolls “the names of ineligible voters” who have died or changed residence. The law requires registrations to be cancelled when voters fail to respond to address confirmation notices and then fail to vote in the next two general federal elections. In 2018, the Supreme Court confirmed that such removals are mandatory (Husted v. A. Philip Randolph Inst., 138 S. Ct. 1833, 1841-42 (2018)).

READ: https://t.co/lAiQxv5qA8 pic.twitter.com/FC2bU2ClLW

— Judicial Watch ⚖️ (@JudicialWatch) December 9, 2023