War in Ukraine, assorted opinions

[Stefan Kotsch]

"Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Zakharova said that "the key role in the incident at Makhachkala airport was played by the Kyiv regime."

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https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1718970947611291739?s=20

"An anti-Semitic rally was held in Karachay-Cherkessia with a demand to expel Jews from the republic. “We don’t want to live next door to Jews,” the protesters said. "

https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1719032352096010333?s=20

Edited October 30, 2023 by Stefan Kotsch

[crazyinsane105]

52 minutes ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

"Russian Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Zakharova said that "the key role in the incident at Makhachkala airport was played by the Kyiv regime."

🤔

https://x.com/nexta_tv/status/1718970947611291739?s=20

Turns out it was a Telegram channel with around 65 thousand subscribers.

It urged folks to go to the airport and basically yell and harass individuals who were coming from Tel Aviv.

But when over a thousand folks showed up and the airport descended into chaos, the channel started to frantically ask people to calm down and go home.

More or less, was a flash mob inspired by a social media channel. 
 

Update: Russian authorities are blaming the person behind the Telegram channel to be based in Ukraine, and an exiled Russian who is a dissident of Putin. No idea how accurate that is but it’s what is being reported 

Edited October 30, 2023 by crazyinsane105

[Stefan Kotsch]

Islam in Russia is a ticking time bomb. As exemple, Putin only tolerates Kadyrov, who actually has a free hand, to calm the region. Whether Putin can control him if things come to an extreme is a good question

[crazyinsane105]

27 minutes ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

Islam in Russia is a ticking time bomb. As exemple, Putin only tolerates Kadyrov, who actually has a free hand, to calm the region. Whether Putin can control him if things come to an extreme is a good question

I wouldn’t lump all Muslims in Russia into one category…

Kadyrov is the ruler of Chechnya. Back when Chechen Islamist warlords invaded neighboring provinces, people in Dagestan did not side with them to break away from the Russian province. Rather, they sided with Russian military and fought against them. 
 

You also have a sizable number of Tatars in Tatarstan and Muslims from Buriyat (misspelling that), and probably other regions in Russia as well. With the exception of Chechnya, Muslims in other parts of Russia aren’t all that gung ho about picking up arms against the Russian state.

Even if Chechnya does become an issue later on, it’s unlikely the West will side with the Islamists. We sorta learned that lesson a long time that siding with religious Islamic nutcases is generally NOT a good idea.

[Stefan Kotsch]

5 minutes ago, crazyinsane105 said:

Even if Chechnya does become an issue later on, it’s unlikely the West will side with the Islamists.

I wouldn't expect anything else.

[Strannik]

1 hour ago, crazyinsane105 said:

Turns out it was a Telegram channel with around 65 thousand subscribers.

It urged folks to go to the airport and basically yell and harass individuals who were coming from Tel Aviv.

But when over a thousand folks showed up and the airport descended into chaos, the channel started to frantically ask people to calm down and go home.

More or less, was a flash mob inspired by a social media channel. 
 

Update: Russian authorities are blaming the person behind the Telegram channel to be based in Ukraine, and an exiled Russian who is a dissident of Putin. No idea how accurate that is but it’s what is being reported 

It's been corroborated by anti-Putin BBC affiliated journo.  Good enough?

[bojan]

1 hour ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

Islam in Russia in general is a ticking time bomb.

Corrected it for you.

Edited October 30, 2023 by bojan

[Strannik]

3 minutes ago, bojan said:

Corrected it for you.

Unexpected of you.  Oh, well.

[Stefan Kotsch]

7 minutes ago, bojan said:

1 hour ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

Islam in Russia in general is a ticking time bomb.

Corrected it for you.

That's the way it is. (but which European country has a Kadyrov?)

[Roman Alymov]

1 hour ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

That's the way it is. (but which European country has a Kadyrov?)

That is indication you fundamentally misunderstand who is Kadyrov and why not having local versions of Kadyrov is not solution, but problem for European countries with growing Muslim population.

By the way below is the fresh statement from Kadyrov, following Security Council meeting in Kremlin with discussion of events in Makhachkala, it is giving the clue on what Europe is lacking in their local Muslim communities:

"As always, our president is right. Russia is fighting for real freedom, countering fascists and Satanists acting in the interests of the West.

Fraternal Dagestan has always been famous for the wisdom of the elders, the deep religious knowledge of the Alim scholars. In order not to become victims of manipulation, youth  should consult with such knowledgeable people, listen to their opinion. And then they destroyed their own airport, hotels. They caused damage to themselves, to their republic. I am sure that at that moment there were appeals among authoritative Dagestanis explaining the senselessness of such an action and manipulation by the West, but they were not heard. And what is the result?

If there is such zeal and desire to deal with the enemy, I only welcome! But it needs to be directed in the right direction - to Ukraine. There are the same forces, real Satanists, fascists and servants of Iblis, who support the killing of Palestinians.
I appeal to young people: think before you do something like this. Don't turn into an unreasonable crowd. Spontaneous actions do not lead to good. Consult with your elders.

I thank Vladimir Vladimirovich for his clear, balanced and wise position on this issue. I am proud that I am on the team of our president and have the honor to contribute to the support of my own! Akhmatovites are ready to fulfill any order of the Supreme Commander-in-Chief anywhere in the world, be it Ukraine or Palestine." ( https://t.me/RKadyrov_95/4071 )

[Stefan Kotsch]

1 hour ago, Roman Alymov said:

Russia is fighting for real freedom, 

Please define freedom.

 

[Ssnake]

"not freedom".

[Roman Alymov]

By the way, about Islam, Kadyrov and Islam: prayer in Akhmat btn before departure to frontline

https://t.me/Army_Russia/42019

[Roman Alymov]

15 hours ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

Please define freedom.

You want me to tell what is freedom to Kadyrov?  

   To practical illustrations of what is freedom : some of This Great Forum members have expressed concerns about being "listed" for saying this or that. And this Members were not from Russia.

    Currently there are some families from the West who are moving to Russia to find the freedom to be able to tell their children that there are only two genres, that sodomy is sin etc. 

[Stefan Kotsch]

14 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

15 hours ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

Please define freedom.

You want me to tell what is freedom to Kadyrov?

You always avoid expressing your own opinion. The question was addressed to you.

[JWB]

 

[Roman Alymov]

On 10/31/2023 at 6:12 PM, Stefan Kotsch said:

You always avoid expressing your own opinion. The question was addressed to you.

I do avoid expressing my own opinion for strong reason: I am not some sort of person of influence, and knowlege of that is giving me understanding that wasting my time to state opinion of my own above what is easily understandable from my posts is useless. In this particular instance, one think is to quote Kadyrov (who, with all his misgivings, is important political player) and another thing is wasting time typing my own. Let's imagine i have wasted some time writing on "what is freedom" in my understanding. Taking into consideration i am not sort of philosophy specialist or writer on that topic, this text will be full of points to argue - and taking into acount you, with all my respect, are also unlikely to be Kanzler Scholz writing incognito for This Great Forum, result will be useless debate between two individual citizens on topic that is hardly related to one of TANKnet. Then why waste time? (with all my respect).  If it makes you feel better, consider it to be professional deformation caused by my years as Media Research professional: in this business personal opinion not supported by hard research data is, let's say, not what is expected from employee. 

[Roman Alymov]

On 10/31/2023 at 7:21 PM, JWB said:

 

More on that

The problem of above analysyss is failure to see Russian rulling elite not as sort of unity, but as groups of people often in hostile relations with each other. As i have repeatedly said, media and "propaganda" in Russia are dominated by pro-Western liberals, and this people are not only incompetent, but also sort of reluctant to work against their own political views.

[Strannik]

We all laugh at "SMO, not a war", but this war 's effect on civilians is shown in this comparison:

 

[JWB]

The 2 con men again.

[Stefan Kotsch]

3 hours ago, Strannik said:

We all laugh at "SMO, not a war", but this war 's effect on civilians is shown in this comparison:

Are you telling us that Russia wages war in such an impressively humane and considerate manner? The friendly executioner, so to speak?

[Strannik]

37 minutes ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

Are you telling us that Russia wages war in such an impressively humane and considerate manner? The friendly executioner, so to speak?

Just the facts ma'am

 

[Roman Alymov]

3 hours ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

Are you telling us that Russia wages war in such an impressively humane and considerate manner? The friendly executioner, so to speak?

Unfortunatelly Russia is not waging war at all - since our leadership is only looking for the ways to get better conditions for the deal with West they dream about (aka conditional surrender).

[Stefan Kotsch]

30 minutes ago, Roman Alymov said:

Unfortunatelly Russia is not waging war at all

After Bucha and all the other horrors, I wonder how Russia wages real war.

Russia are so sick. ☹️

[Roman Alymov]

1 minute ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

After Bucha and all the other horrors, I wonder how Russia wages real war.

Bucha is of the same sort of stories as Iraq WMD or Bin Laden hiding in A-stan - or other stories of earlier wars

15 minutes ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

Russia are so sick. ☹️

West is inventing stories, but Russia is sick. Nice logic. Is Iraq also sick? And Afganistan? And Serbia, and Lybia, and Vietnam, and other places your Governments decide are nice to be the place of next bombing for peace and freedom?