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On 10/13/2023 at 10:00 AM, Roman Alymov said:

It is still on, pro-Ukrainians are attacking in Zaporozhye region daily. Not much success, but formally they are still on the offencive

I think both sides are grappling with how to break through, when you have a combination of traditional defences and new technologies like constant overwatch and suicide drones. Combined with both sides not having complete air superiority. 

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11 minutes ago, Colin said:

I think both sides are grappling with how to break through, when you have a combination of traditional defences and new technologies like constant overwatch and suicide drones. Combined with both sides not having complete air superiority. 

On Russian side, real question is "how to achieve victory against the will of political/business elite". It is civil war. By the way on pro-Ukrainian side situation is to some extent simmilar - at least leading opinion leaders like Arestovich are increasingly complaining about "political lidership reached the limit of its competence" etc.

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2 hours ago, Roman Alymov said:

On Russian side, real question is "how to achieve victory against the will of political/business elite". It is civil war. By the way on pro-Ukrainian side situation is to some extent simmilar - at least leading opinion leaders like Arestovich are increasingly complaining about "political lidership reached the limit of its competence" etc.

Most of what I see is that people in the know are commenting that the Ukrainian army lacks people schooled in Brigade level attacks. The younger officers are proving to be quite adept at blending the best of the NATO and Warsaw Pact techniques. But don't have the experience to develop larger scale attacks. the older officers do not have it either, although they have the authority to mount them.

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9 hours ago, BansheeOne said:

It seems a little more specific. Everyone's favorite German Putin shill Alina Lipp is sharing this clip which is allegedly making the rounds on the Russian net, showing kids in what appears to be a religion-oriented Israeli school making various crass statements about killing and enslaving Arabs etc. when asked by a teacher(?). @Mighty_Zuk could probably shed some light on the context, but the assertion here is that Israeli kids are taught to be good little fascists in school. Alina Baby is even pre-emptively stating that it might seem strange how Russians are calling first Ukrainians, then Israelis Nazis, but it's not their fault when it's true ...

It also made rounds in Israel and apparently it's from a school for what's called in Israel "Hilltop Youth". It's an extremist religious faction that harasses the IDF and other Jews just as much as it harasses Arabs.

On a grander scale, religious schools pretty much disregard Israeli law regarding content. They all ignore mandatory subjects like STEM subjects and English. They also don't do matriculation exams which are a minimum requirement for higher education.

In extremist communities they teach extremist content. In ultra orthodox communities they teach them to be religious. And it applies for both sides - Arab schools often teach kids to hate Jews and strive for "liberation" and "from the river to the sea". 

Israel hardly ever enforces its own regulations regarding schools and that's one point of contention between the current government and the secular democratic movement. Lack of regulation favors the ultra orthodox who often operate illegally.

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5 hours ago, Colin said:

Most of what I see is that people in the know are commenting that the Ukrainian army lacks people schooled in Brigade level attacks. The younger officers are proving to be quite adept at blending the best of the NATO and Warsaw Pact techniques. But don't have the experience to develop larger scale attacks. the older officers do not have it either, although they have the authority to mount them.

Pro-Ukrainians have attempted brigade-level attacks on early stages of "Khersonm offencive", with devastating results (as pro-Ukrainians themselfes anoficially acknowleged). Then it was attempted on early stages of "Summer offencive", this time under direct NATO guidence  - with equally bad results (contrary to what pro-Russians expected, by the way). Seems like "combined arms magic" is not working in current conditions and without 5k warlpanes bombing the way through for armor columns first.

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3 hours ago, Mighty_Zuk said:

It also made rounds in Israel and apparently it's from a school for what's called in Israel "Hilltop Youth". It's an extremist religious faction that harasses the IDF and other Jews just as much as it harasses Arabs.

On a grander scale, religious schools pretty much disregard Israeli law regarding content. They all ignore mandatory subjects like STEM subjects and English. They also don't do matriculation exams which are a minimum requirement for higher education.

In extremist communities they teach extremist content. In ultra orthodox communities they teach them to be religious. And it applies for both sides - Arab schools often teach kids to hate Jews and strive for "liberation" and "from the river to the sea". 

Israel hardly ever enforces its own regulations regarding schools and that's one point of contention between the current government and the secular democratic movement. Lack of regulation favors the ultra orthodox who often operate illegally.

Thanks, between the Haredi guys and female teacher up front I wasn't sure if this was an orthodox or national-religious institution.

Of course Roman helpfully presents the generalized Russian view that whatever, Israelis are Nazi disciples anyway. 😁

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14 hours ago, Stuart Galbraith said:

By that definition, the Soviets would have been defeated by NATO, because the Afghans did too. :D

 

Not sure about "that definition", bjut without use of nukes there is no doubt "Soviets would have been defeated by NATO" - see just population numbers...

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9 minutes ago, JWB said:

 

 I see a quote by the Russians in September 2022,

"If Washington decides to supply longer-range missiles to Kyiv, then it will be crossing a red line, and will become a direct party to the conflict,"

The version supplied to Ukraine is the early production M39, which has a range of 165km.  It was also fired into Ukrainian territory, not Russia proper.  

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It is no news that the population of Russia has always been latently anti-Semitic. In many readers' comments in the local newspapers, Jews are mentioned with great regularity as an evil.

No wonder that a certain pogrom mood is brewing in Russia. Just an example, Airport Makhachkala out of control. The anti-Jewish mob of 'Kolkhosniki'  has taken power.

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1718696622698135612?s=20

an

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1718689681502597616?s=20

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6 minutes ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

It is no news that the population of Russia has always been latently anti-Semitic. In many readers' comments in the local newspapers, Jews are mentioned with great regularity as an evil.

No wonder that a certain pogrom mood is brewing in Russia. Just an example, Airport Makhachkala out of control. The anti-Jewish mob of 'Kolkhosniki'  has taken power.

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1718696622698135612?s=20

an

https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1718689681502597616?s=20

Well, since you started it: riots in Makhachkala airports were started by posts in TG channel "Morning of Dagestan" controlled, surprise, by prominent member of Russian liberal opposition Ilya Ponomaryov, former member of Khodarkovsly's UKOS oil compamy board of directors, the only Duma member who voted against reintegration of Crimea back in 2014 and who is now hiding in Ukraine, where he is taking part in attempts to create "battalions of free Russia" . This channel claimed that Jews from Israel will start to arrive into local airport and urged local Muslims to oppose them.

  Still, the wery fact this riots became possible are indication of serious problems in political and infromation aspects of Russia - unfixable under "Appeasement of the West" party

"About anti-Israeli protests in Dagestan

For the second day in Dagestan, aggressive locals are looking for Jews who are supposed to arrive in the republic. At first they were looking at the hotel, now they are looking at the airport.

The first and most important thing.
When an aggressive mass can be organized in society, which is controlled from the outside with the help of public administrators and social networks - this is the reality of Cognitive Warfare. It is no different from the Nekhta in Minsk 2020.
Social engineering and the ability to work in social networks are
the output result.

Second. About the role of federal propaganda.
The situation in Dagestan has not only fallen on the uneventful soil of local stereotypes, but is also the result of our media schizophrenia.
On the one hand, the TV tells about the suffering of the Palestinians, and on the other hand, the platforms of the Russian state propaganda are open to outspoken Zionists calling for genocide. In Russia, there is a clear bias in the media space towards Israel. Zionism in Russia is not so widely supported anywhere except in expert and media circles. This resonates especially in Muslim republics.
I believe that state propaganda in matters of military conflicts should adhere to public opinion. The fact that there are many relatives and partners among influential and respected people in Israel has nothing to do with mass consciousness.
Therefore, if the Russian platform is provided to the Zionists, then a representative of Hamas should sit opposite, who should break down his position. Otherwise, our state propaganda turns into propaganda of Zionism. Or if there is no Hamas member, then it is necessary to pick up a Zionist idiot like Vyacheslav Kovtun, only a Jew.

What to do

In a situation where the conflict has become public, it must be extinguished by public methods. Otherwise, people will disperse, and the degree of distrust will increase. So the enemy has achieved its goals. The sediment remained.

Crowbars should appear on the square (I don't know who is popular there in Makhachkala) and elders, not just the Ministry of Internal Affairs. These people, together with a high rank, should calmly tell how such technologies work.
When the mass has gathered, it is necessary not only to stop the growth and stop aggression, but also to refocus the attention of the collective mind from the object of hatred to itself. Plus, it is necessary to constantly drive a constructive cognitive wave through all communication channels in the republic. Without hysteria, explain how the situation is being resolved and why it has spun. You can't be silent either.

Resuscitation actions are understandable, but therapy is necessary. Restoration of public and personal media immunity and constant prevention.

I repeat:The technology of the infowar is a reality in which they roam around in our rear like at home." (from https://t.me/oper_goblin/26481 )

 

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2 hours ago, Stefan Kotsch said:

It is no news that the population of Russia has always been latently anti-Semitic. In many readers' comments in the local newspapers, Jews are mentioned with great regularity as an evil.

No wonder that a certain pogrom mood is brewing in Russia............................

I suppose you will claim there is one brewing in the UK as well

 

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36 minutes ago, mkenny said:

I suppose you will claim there is one brewing in the UK as well

 

If you look on X/Twtr you will see lots of folks resorting to anti-semitism tropes in reference to this march.

But this time it won't work.

 

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